Project CARS - Logitech Wheels NOT Supported on PS4

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I smell a rat...

Anywho, apparently when the PS3 started out it had the samw issues with usb support. Is that true?
 
notanexpert
Just got a ps4. Still have the wheel, which I can't use. Deciding whether to sell it on eBay or wait until further news?
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depens on 2 things:
- how fast you want to play pcars (maybe logitech wheels will work in future... how distant we don't know. I think a lot cause drive club is an arcade game for mass market and project cars is amazing game but a small brand and not even exclusive so i don't see any pressure on sony or logitech in the short term)
- how much risk do you want to take? if you wait a lot your logitech will get depreciated a lot and then also market will be saturated.

I sold my logitech dfgt before having to give it for free.
 
TayeezSA
I smell a rat...

Anywho, apparently when the PS3 started out it had the samw issues with usb support. Is that true?
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it worked, i tried the wheel on a very first 60gb using retrocompability with WRC4 from ps2. it worked, badly but worked. Only in game, not in the menu. But it's the same for f1 championship edition.
 
DrJustice
I don't think they will bee too keen, or even able, to answer those TBH. I'll try my best to give you what I know (with a tiny dash of conjecture...).


SMS has been asked that a lot. They will refer you to to http://www.projectcarsgame.com/beyond-reality.html , and ask you to wait and see.


There's no firm info on that yet. Will pass this one on to SMS.


Guaranteed to not be answered directly. This may well be padded by NDAs and the like. There are two possibilities as I see it: 1 - They piggy back on the protocol of the newer wheels. 2 - Thrustmaster has negotiated a deal to make it happen.


SMS can not support any hardware devices without drivers. A can of worms it is, yes, but not one that SMS can do anything about. Legacy joysticks can be used because they only rely on the standard HID protocol. If a device can piggyback on some existing device support then it may work, but not show up in menus and so on.


Fanatce are making new hardware devices in order to get on the PS4 train. More specifically, new console specific rims for their CSW wheel bases, with the "security chip" in them, or more importantly the required deals and licensing. Those wheel rims cost EUR 300 and upwards a pop for the current PCs versions (which "strangely" has an integrated game pad-like device), and needs a EUR 600 wheel base to work. Regarding any deals between Sony and Thrustmaster, SMS is not going to comment on that.

I realize these may not be satisfactory answers, but they are are as close as you'll get, and more than SMS would want or be able to come up with.


We all are... Some have abandoned the waiting and taken matters into their own hands by migrating to a platform where things are more transparent and compatibility runs back to "the dawn on man", namely PC. This is not an option for everybody, of course.

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Thanks for taking the time to answer good Dr. It would be good if SMS as able to answer anything but thanks.
 
It's funny but if the DFGT isn't supported in the PS4 Dev kit how come it calibrates when you plug it into a PS4?

It shouldn't do anything at all if it's not a recognised USB device - so to do anything at all it must be recognised by the system. Therefore there must be a driver otherwise how could it do that?
 
^ USB HID devices include basic steering wheel functionality. This might make many wheels half way functioning, if not supported by higher layers in the system. AFAIK the HID support for steering wheels is quite simple, and does not support the extra functionality in more sophisticated wheels.
 
TayeezSA
So @DrJustice , could it be a sign then?
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It could be a sign of the basic USB driver in the PS4 having basic HID support, which might not be entirely unreasonable - nothing more. I can't really say anything, and don't want to speculate further, not having observed this, not having analyzed the USB protocol activity, not being privy to the PS4 operating system and so on. At this point there's little we can do but wait and see.
 
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DrJustice
It could be a sign of the basic USB driver in the PS4 having basic HID support, which might not be entirely unreasonable - nothing more. I can't really say anything, and don't want to speculate further, not having observed this, not having analyzed the USB protocol activity, not being privy to the PS4 operating system and so on. At this point there's little we can do but wait and see.
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I've tried the DFGT in the PS4 - yes it calibrates. It doesn't work in War Hammer though. I tried it just to see if the pedals or steering did anything when flying. They didn't.

I wonder if the calibration happens if you plug the USB cable into any powered USB port? I may try the DFGT on our TV USB port to see if the same happens as I know I can charge the DS3 and my phone when connected to that.

Anyone looking should consider ebay. I've just picked up a T500 for £170 without pedals. I've ordered the new pedals from Thrustmaster so all in that's £260. Not cheap but a considerable upgrade in quality for me and once I receive the wheel and check it works I can sell at least one of my two DFGTs. I thought hard about it and I will end up with a quality wheel and pedals with clutch. At that price I would have bought it regardless of the PS4 issue. Still hope we see some sort of support for Logitech.
 
JohnScoonsBeard
...I wonder if the calibration happens if you plug the USB cable into any powered USB port? I may try the DFGT on our TV USB port to see if the same happens as I know I can charge the DS3 and my phone when connected to that.
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A very good point, JSB. So I tried :

- plugging my G25 into a USB power adapter, i.e. only power and no active USB signal lines. That did nothing.
- plugging my G25 into the powered USB hub in my monitor, without connecting the hub to the PC. That did nothing either. Only when the monitor's USB hub was connected to my PC, the wheel calibrated. The PC has the Logitech Wingman drivers installed.
- plugging my G25 into my laptop which has no Logitech Wingman drivers. The wheel was immediately detected as a "G25 Racing Wheel" and after 10-20 seconds the HID drivers for the port got activated, and the wheel calibrated.

That tells me that a G25 requires a HID driver to perform its built in calibration. In Windows this results in the G25 being recognized as a joystick. In other words, the PS4 also seem to recognise and initialize connected HID joysticks devices. This is basic USB HID stuff that doesn't require Logitech specific drivers, and doesn't mean that the G25 will work in games.

A game could theoretically use the G25 as a joystick then, but Sony may not allow it, either by a business wise no-no, or in not making a basic HID API available to the games. In any case that's not enough for an FFB racing wheel and pedal setup, and doesn't mean that there is any undisclosed Logitech support there.

So, nice one JSB - we have now busted a potential myth :)
 
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DrJustice
A very good point, JSB. So I tried :

- plugging my G25 into a USB power adapter, i.e. only power and no active USB signal lines. That did nothing.
- plugging my G25 into the powered USB hub in my monitor, without connecting the hub to the PC. That did nothing either. Only when the monitor's USB hub was connected to my PC, the wheel calibrated. The PC has the Logitech Wingman drivers installed.
- plugging my G25 into my laptop which has no Logitech Wingman drivers. The wheel was immediately detected as a "G25 Racing Wheel" and after 10-20 seconds the HID drivers for the port got activated, and the wheel calibrated.

That tells me that a G25 requires a HID driver to perform its built in calibration. In Windows this results in the G25 being recognized as a joystick. In other words, the PS4 also seem to recognise and initialize connected HID joysticks devices. This is basic USB HID stuff that doesn't require Logitech specific drivers, and doesn't mean that the G25 will work in games.

A game could theoretically use the G25 as a joystick then, but Sony may not allow it, either by a business wise no-no, or in not making a basic HID API available to the games. In any case that's not enough for an FFB racing wheel and pedal setup, and doesn't mean that there is any undisclosed Logitech support there.

So, nice one JSB - we have now busted a potential myth :)
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I tried too. Here are my results again with the DFGT.

In the powered USB port of a Sony Bravia Television (3 years old) the Dfgt calibrates when usb cable plugged in (dfgt must be plugged into mains). When I tried it in our SkyHD Box with non powered USB it doesn't calibrate. Not sure what the TV has (an HID?)
 
People who have an incompatible wheel and are annoyed, my advice (if you haven't already purchased a xbox or ps4) is to spend your money on a pc, and stick it to them that way.

Besides assetto corsa is also wonderful and although early access is available to play now.

If you have already purchased then there's always eBay.

Make sure you do your research before building or buying because you can build a great pc with some second hand parts like using last gen (Ivybridge) Intel i5 or i7 processors and pick up a cheap AMD gpu like a 7870 that'll get you playing anything, plus the money you'll save from having to purchase a new wheel (£380 I paid for t500 and still had to buy shifter)

And most of the AAA titles make pc like GTA5 plus extras that you can't get for consoles like arma 3, Dayz.

I'm so pleased I switched to pc and considering you don't pay for online access it'll work out a much better deal overall.
 
Does anyone know if I can use the clutch on the T500 with the sequential paddle shifters when changing gear or do I need to get the h-pattern shifter to use the clutch?
 
JohnScoonsBeard
Does anyone know if I can use the clutch on the T500 with the sequential paddle shifters when changing gear or do I need to get the h-pattern shifter to use the clutch?
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As far as I can remember you have to get the shifter in order to use the clutch.
 
Not having read more than the OP and this page, I am now a sad panda. :(
This is not good news.

Project Cars is not my sole game to play on the PS4, but definitely the one that made me pull the trigger (today, no less).
Oh, well, I still have the PS3 and GT6 until I know for sure if the G27 will be supported for the PS4/Project Cars.:indiff:
 
mu22stang
Why in the world would you do that?
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The question was "...do I need to get the h-pattern shifter to use the clutch", I answered no. I have been testing clutch functionality in pCARS with paddle shifters, TH8A on order. Also, I have much better control of a launch when using a clutch.
 
Fantomas666
Make sure you do your research before building or buying because you can build a great pc with some second hand parts like using last gen (Ivybridge) Intel i5 or i7 processors and pick up a cheap AMD gpu like a 7870 that'll get you playing anything...
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I was toying with the idea. I'm sure many people (myself included) would be very grateful if you'd go into more detail as to the exact parts I would need. I have next to no experience with gaming Pc's.


:cheers:
 
VBR
I was toying with the idea. I'm sure many people (myself included) would be very grateful if you'd go into more detail as to the exact parts I would need. I have next to no experience with gaming Pc's.


:cheers:
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After a quick look on ebay,

Core i5 (Ivybridge) 3770k £130
Radon HD 7870 £100 (used)
8 gb ddr3 £65 overclockers
1tb hdd £45 overclockers
Case £30 bitfenix
Motherboard a decent budget board can be had for less than £40 I can find one to recommend it has to be the right socket 1150 I'm nearly certain of that, Asus and gigabyte are good choices

Get a good power supply around 550 w corsair make good ones for around £50

So this is less than 500 (I think)

That's what a good wheel is getting on for price wise.

If you really are interested I'll link you to some bargains to be had.

But that is a killer system that will give you rick solid frames in almost anything, admittedly not for triple screen and running at 4k, but it's also overclockable, and quite easy to hit 4.0 ghz with the last gen of Intel processors.

Excuse the grammar and typos I'm on my phone and can't be bothered to edit.
 
FuzzyFassbender
The question was "...do I need to get the h-pattern shifter to use the clutch", I answered no. I have been testing clutch functionality in pCARS with paddle shifters, TH8A on order. Also, I have much better control of a launch when using a clutch.
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That's good to know as I can use it in GTR2 and Game Stock Car on PC. I was also hoping that I could use it for Gran Turismo to hear how it changes the sound of the gear changes (I'm told it does). Maybe it will also have more remapping options within Project Cars on PS4. Either way I'll get the H Shifter eventually.
 
Fantomas666
After a quick look on ebay,

Core i5 (Ivybridge) 3770k £130
Radon HD 7870 £100 (used)
8 gb ddr3 £65 overclockers
1tb hdd £45 overclockers
Case £30 bitfenix
Motherboard a decent budget board can be had for less than £40 I can find one to recommend it has to be the right socket 1150 I'm nearly certain of that, Asus and gigabyte are good choices

Get a good power supply around 550 w corsair make good ones for around £50

So this is less than 500 (I think)

That's what a good wheel is getting on for price wise.

If you really are interested I'll link you to some bargains to be had.

But that is a killer system that will give you rick solid frames in almost anything, admittedly not for triple screen and running at 4k, but it's also overclockable, and quite easy to hit 4.0 ghz with the last gen of Intel processors.

Excuse the grammar and typos I'm on my phone and can't be bothered to edit.
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I have serious doubts you can outperform a ps4 with these specs...

You also forgot to add in windows price and monitor/keyboard mouse, a due expense if a user is new to pc gaming
 
So, I bought the T500rs (got an awesome deal, some local store went bankrupt and they needed to sell lots of things with pretty low prices).

And I've been using the wheel for the last days. I got to admit that it's far better than my old G27. And I mean it: I can't compare the build quality, the feedback feel, the response. I'm not mad at Sony, Immersion, whatever, anymore. The Thrustmaster thing really is a great device, feels so... right when you are driving in GT and rFactor (the original one, that my ancient PC can handle).

The Logitechs are old pieces of hardware that you'd need to update anyways, so a new rig isn't so outrageous. Specially when you get lucky, like I did.

Now, I'm looking forward to Driveclub, not to mention pCARS, because I want to test this ting on the PS4! This is a first: I never got hyped to a arcade racing game.
 

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