Project RUF Blackbird Grip Tune Settings Released

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DiaGTR
Before testing a setting, you should know, a transmission has a huge affect to understeer/oversteer. The transmission that is used from dr_slump is causing understeer..

To get the same ratio as he had. Set at first the final to 5500, than the top speed to 200km/h (124mph). And only after those two steps you will get the same ratio and effect. I personally would never use such a transmission on a yellow bird.

He doesn't realize it because he drives with SRF and other driving aids.

He's really just trying to dig at me indirectly, doesn't have the minerals to be direct.. His testing is flawed beyond having anything useful become of it. So really it's just a bunch of BS. It would seem he just likes to hear his own voice (or read his own text) attempting to feel superior. It's too bad, so sad.

It seams Adrenalin believes he is above all the members of GTP, it's members like this that give GTP a bad rep.
 
Btw... do you set your Blackbird for offline or online racing? Cause I can't test it on my own right now. Would like to see how much tire wear you have with such a toe on the rear. Mine has only 0.18..
 
DiaGTR
Btw... do you set your Blackbird for offline or online racing? Cause I can't test it on my own right now. Would like to see how much tire wear you have with such a toe on the rear. Mine has only 0.18..

Unfortunately, I'm not racing online, I'm not sure how it would be impacted. If you get info on that it would be good for me so I could include the info for those wanting to online race with the car.

I got too lost in BS from the derailing of my thread. My apologies. I shouldn't let it get to me.
 
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Btw... do you set your Blackbird for offline or online racing? Cause I can't test it on my own right now. Would like to see how much tire wear you have with such a toe on the rear. Mine has only 0.18..

Just start a endurance race (A-Spec). I tuned it offline and drove a couple endurance laps. The front tires are no problem, but the car shreds the rear tires. I think it's not an issue caused of the high toe (every Formula car and the X1 have 0.50), the car just oversteers too much.
 
dr_slump
Really? Is that true?
If it is, all reviews would be useless:ouch:

Adrenaline, give us (me) an answer!

Ohh it's true, he's been avoiding the question, from myself and other members too (for obvious reasons, as it would show clearly that his reviews are meaningless) He continues to derail my thread, and ignores the question when asked. I encourage him to prove otherwise. I will be the first to apologize if he does so.
 
....was the LSD and outside wheel spin giving me a hard time getting to full throttle on corner exit again.

So I upped the LSD accel just 1 tick, to 20. It feels good overall, but I'm still having issues with a push. I need to find a way to get the front end more grip. Either with toe, camber or springs, possibly even sways, but I haven't had any success changing the sway bars yet.
I see what you mean, I added an alternative LSD setting (8/21/14).
You said that you had succes with the shocks(?). Compression or extension?
I tried to get as close as I could to your posted gears, which was 193mph, which allows me to get gears 2-6 on target, but I couldn't get first to match up, but put it as close as I could.
To get the same ratio as he had. Set at first the final to 5500, than the top speed to 200km/h (124mph). And only after those two steps you will get the same ratio and effect. (DiaGTR) I added an explanation to the tune.
Reset it all the way back (weight distribution) to 0 and then I get a small change. It seems to help the car on late middle, through the exit.
So if I were to keep your gears, I'd add an optional ballast. I've discussed this in other threads, to easily adapt to driver preferences, even if only within a small margin.
I hate ballast! Balance 0 is not a bad idea but I think -50 is more on the safer side.

I'm gunna talk with RJ and see if he can help me out.
I think he can't without a ps3.
 
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He (Adrenaline) uses SRF? Since when?

It'd be an easy explanation as to why he's faster than me but OH WAIT, he's kicked my ass at GVS with me having everything forced off save for ABS and automatic (the only things you can't force off and the only aids he uses). I'm not very fast but not exactly slow either... Adrenaline is fast enough to make other people think he's using SRF but I get this feeling his driving style wouldn't allow it (mine certainly doesn't, you haven't felt "weird" until you've tried driving with a wheel and SRF on... Too fast? Just turn the wheel more!)
 
Rotary Junkie
He (Adrenaline) uses SRF? Since when?

It'd be an easy explanation as to why he's faster than me but OH WAIT, he's kicked my ass at GVS with me having everything forced off save for ABS and automatic (the only things you can't force off and the only aids he uses). I'm not very fast but not exactly slow either... Adrenaline is fast enough to make other people think he's using SRF but I get this feeling his driving style wouldn't allow it (mine certainly doesn't, you haven't felt "weird" until you've tried driving with a wheel and SRF on... Too fast? Just turn the wheel more!)

I'll be the first to apologize if he proves he doesn't, but I don't think that's gonna happen. I'm positive he's using SRF. If he wants to prove he's not using SRF I'll tell him how, but I suspect a bunch of excuses as to why he can't or won't prove it.

It's not just his speed, but he's let details slip about his driving that hint at it. Every time he's been asked, he simply ignores the question. Avoiding to deny it, as denying it would force him into a position to prove it.

I hold value for assist testing.
 
I think he can't without a ps3.

I think I probably can. In fact, I'm willing to bet I can tell someone what to try and get a better result than if I do it myself half the time, mainly because I'm more willing to make them slaves to testing than I'm willing to make myself. :D
 
I'll be the first to apologize if he proves he doesn't, but I don't think that's gonna happen. I'm positive he's using SRF. If he wants to prove he's not using SRF I'll tell him how, but I suspect a bunch of excuses as to why he can't or won't prove it.

It's not just his speed, but he's let details slip about his driving that hint at it. Every time he's been asked, he simply ignores the question. Avoiding to deny it, as denying it would force him into a position to prove it.

I hold value for assist testing.

As I said, I'm positive he doesn't. I've raced him. ZR1 RM vs my Z06 RM, I won at High Speed Ring Reverse despite having less power, he won at GVS. Then again, the way I drive at HSR-R-, SRF would result in me spinning on the first and 2nd to last corners every lap if I don't bother fixing the setup to run with it.
 
Just start a endurance race (A-Spec). I tuned it offline and drove a couple endurance laps. The front tires are no problem, but the car shreds the rear tires. I think it's not an issue caused of the high toe (every Formula car and the X1 have 0.50), the car just oversteers too much.

Oversteer (sliding with the rear) is more worse with high toe than with low toe, when it comes to tire wear. And I can't just start a endurance race and compare it to online racing, cause its not the same. Not all offline settings are working the same way online as offline.

Don't forget.. F1, X1 cars are balanced, they use such a high toe to have a stable car on high speed. Not to counteract the oversteer.
 
Rotary Junkie
As I said, I'm positive he doesn't. I've raced him. ZR1 RM vs my Z06 RM, I won at High Speed Ring Reverse despite having less power, he won at GVS. Then again, the way I drive at HSR-R-, SRF would result in me spinning on the first and 2nd to last corners every lap if I don't bother fixing the setup to run with it.

I'm not saying he never drives without it, he uses it when he needs to.

Just because you have raced him where he doesn't use it means nothing, and is irrelevant. His testing offline uses it at times so he can illustrate his point. He's certainly uses other aids also (track line & auto shift) so it would seem he uses what he wants to fit his needs at the time.

Online he will be much more tame, and obviously won't use them as that would be a dead giveaway. So he wont be as quick ( hmmm you confirm this ) but at times (when he needs to) offline the SRF goes on so he can illustrate his point at the time. It's a little bit transparent.

I could be wrong, it's as simple as him taking a vid of himself (or just his hands on the wheel or controller) while driving his hot lap making sure to show there are no assist being used at the load screen. To keep in in the nature of the thread. If he can do that and pull his Deep Forest Hot Lap. I will have been mistaken and wrongfully accused him of poor/improper testing. I will praise the valley with Adrenalin's skill & include an apology for the accusation in my signature for a month.

I eagerly await the video or reason(s) why he won't (can't) make one.

Never make a claim you're not willing to back up if called out.

I'm calling Adrenalin out.....
 
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Hmm, when I compare my GVS times (100% without aids) with his times, it seems that he doesn't use SRF. If he did, it would be strange that he wasn't faster than I.
 
dr_slump
Hmm, when I compare my GVS times (100% without aids) with his times, it seems that he doesn't use SRF. If he did, it would be strange that he wasn't faster than I.

Like I said, I don't think he uses them always (or it's not always evident) you won't be able to tell from time alone, this is my suspicion based on more then just some lap times.

I could be wrong. I don't think I will see that Deep Forest Hot Lap though. Until then I already know (with 100% certainty) he uses other assist, so I still believe he's used SRF with some of his times posted..

Either way, he's very arrogant (his attitude seems to cause quite a few tiffs on these boards with MANY members) and he needs to learn to listen to the OP's requests to stop derailing there thread.. The very nature of his testing, regardless of result is not in the true nature of the Project. If he wants to take it further and keep going in a different direction, that's fine for another thread of his own.

So until he can show me that vid, IDC what he does so long as it's outside my thread, as this too is off topic and has nothing to do with my Project.
 
So with the Project successfully Derailed and some people going off forgetting that this was a Project for creating a Driver friendly set up for the YB. I need to refresh what this Project is about.

A general Driver Friendly Yellowbird.

If anybody has tweaked tuned or adjusted a set up to be even more driver friendly while quicker, please post that up and let's get this back on track. The people who want a more driver friendly YB can see what works for them choose what set up they like.

This is not about who's set up is fastest, so please stop polluting my Project with irrelevant testing and BS.
 
1. I haven't forgotten what the projects goal is and am still paying attention.
2. The thread is very cluttered. But it is GTP?
3. Adrenaline, while I have no personal problems with him, simply does what he wants. I thought he was rude to keep posting after you asked him not to, though from his perspective he may be thinking "hey, I made a tune that's faster than this guy and now he wants me to start my own thread?". So it can also be construed as you being jealous of his tune?
4. I don't think he'll post any video or acknowledge the questions of him using SRF at all. I'm not sure he "should". Not answering the direct questions may hurt his reputation, but perhaps answering them would hurt it more?
5. What exactly makes you think he's using SRF?

Though I think I just stepped into the middle of it, I'm really not trying to get into the middle of anything...
 
There is no such thing as a fast setup. Just a set of conditions that are better in one circumstance than another set of conditions under a different set of circumstance. It's almost worth not bothering with tuning once you just realize you spent 15 hours tuning a car that performs above average but not spectacular on a particular course then it sucks everywhere else. Welcome to the game.
 
I'm moving on. I'm leaving the YB alone for a while wile I work on a few other cars to establish a Garage. IDC anymore what he does, or where the thread goes from here. I feel the objective was reached, time for something else.
 
3. ......he may be thinking "hey, I made a tune that's faster than this guy and now he wants me to start my own thread?".

Ehmm, actually it is based on my tune, just with a few changes.

I'm moving on. I'm leaving the YB alone for a while wile I work on a few other cars to establish a Garage. I feel the objective was reached, time for something else.

👍
Me too, I'm working on other cars and will post them soon.
 
If he can do that and pull his Deep Forest Hot Lap. I will have been mistaken and wrongfully accused him of poor/improper testing. I will praise the valley with Adrenalin's skill & include an apology for the accusation in my signature for a month.

Never make a claim you're not willing to back up if called out.

I'm calling Adrenalin out.....

I haven't been avoiding you, I've been ignoring you; there's a difference.

The only one derailing your thread is you. In fact, I've yet to say a single derogative thing to, at or about you. Everything I've done thus far, is to help produce a tune that keeps the car under control, while still being fast. Point me to a single post where I haven't been on topic or productive towards your 'goal'. The others in this thread seem to understand this, but you seem to only be displeased with the fact, that it wasn't your tune.

I bet if all this time I had spent testing and tweaking was on your tune, that you wouldn't be crying at all. You appear to be upset that someone else produced better results than you and so you wan't to stop any discussion of the other tune? Your spotlight is being taken away? You want to take your ball and go home?

Half of your posts in this thread, are about me. Who's derailing what... If you wan't to provoke me, be my guest. We can discuss how you're inadequacies force you to cripple the car with an unneeded ballast to compensate for your lack of tuning skill. We can discuss your childish posting habits, your tempertantrums, or your general grudge against me. We can focus on the hypocrisy of your goal vs your actions. We can discuss your lap times or any of your other faults. But I chose to focus on the goal at hand. Controlling this Yellow Bird, while maintaining speed and consistency.

If your only goal is to make it easier to drive, without any regard to speed or lap times, then just uninstall all power parts, put the power limiter at 50% and congrats, even you should be able to drive it now.

I use ABS @ 1, Driving Line & Automatic Transmission.
I have the TGTT & GVS ghosts saved, I'll go run a Deep Forest Lap and then upload all 3 ghost replays for you. Then you or anyone else who wants to, can download them to your PS3, watch them, race against them, or whatever you please. No TCS, no SRF, no ASM, no active steering.

In the mean time, feel free to take a look at the WRS results for week 2. It's the only week I've submitted so far, but it should give you an idea. There are tons of people in the WRS that can out drive me, yet alone people online that do it on the regular. Find 1 thread where I've claimed to be a better driver than anyone else, or have bragged about my lap times. Based on my best recollection, you won't be able to. I'm far from the nicest guy on the forums, but I'm modest for the most part.
 
Got that video? Didn't think so...

Yeah a heap of the blah blah blah

Inferior settings that still were able to be quicker then most even with your testing and only a few tenths off the 2 you go further with. It was the heaviest of the group but still kept up even was faster then most.

It's does just fine and aside from you the settings have been very well received. Your opinion is only but 1, one I value very little. I've gotten enough confirmation to know I did a quality job.

Thanks though, when you make it the hater come out.
 
Sorry guys, but remember: this is the RUF Blackbird (YB) grip tune thread and not the haters thread!
 
No_OBsT33R,
You may want to update the tuning image in the OP. It says "FR" for drivetrain. It also doesn't specify what tires you are using. All I see is "R". There is quite a difference between racing hard and racing soft tires. The modifications you installed to achieve the stated hp and weight would help too...since I don't know what to install just by looking at those numbers.

As for all these accusations about who has a better tune and who is using what aids. Perhaps you should outline the aids allowed in the OP and specify whether you are looking for fresh tunes or updates to your existing tune. The word "Project" in the title appears to me like the goal is to produce the fastest car and input from other members is welcome. With that regard, a single lap time has little value. I think posting a 5-10 lap average is probably a better strategy, especially with a car like this. Even better would be to total times across multiple tracks since spending too much time on one track could cause you to make changes that don't translate well to other tracks. And better than that? Asking for 3rd party volunteers who are not really tuners and have them submit lap times on various tunes.
 
Pop corn ? somebody still have popcorn?? kssksskkssksskkkkkssss...........Easy my friends ,it's just a fantastic game,but just a game....
The man is fast realy fast,Airton Senna wast faster ... Good for him ... Stop this please, when the network will be ok again ,let's meet us on the track and we'll see all this having a lot of fun with this Yellow Bird...

Enjoy your day.
 
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