Project RUF Blackbird Grip Tune Settings Released

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Got that video? Didn't think so...

Well, I've got some bad news...
I couldn't replicate the 1:11.848 I ran earlier.





















The good news, however, is that I ran an even better lap.
1:11.674

Here are your ghost replays.
These allows you to load my ghost to your game save, upload them and you can race against it. It also gives you the ability to watch it as a normal replay if you desire and ghost replays also come with the Data Logger ability, so you can analyze that all you wish.

001: Top Gear Test Track 1:05.929
002: Grand Valley Speedway 1:48.878
003: Deep Forest Raceway 1:11.674

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I'm gonna go try to cook up a DS3 tune on one at the neighbor's. Be back in a while.

Sounds good. I'm curious to test it then.

Bad news is I couldn't come up with anything a trained monkey could drive. Or anything that I could drive without my wheel (my DS3 skills are GONE). Also, game was unupdated etc so the old tire overheating issue was present in full force.

Good news is I mentioned the same things I tried to Adrenaline and they seem to work.
 
Good news is I mentioned the same things I tried to Adrenaline and they seem to work.

I haven't tried them yet, but I will be doing so soon.
The improved lap time at deep forest, was with the tune I PM'd you last night.
I'll post back with your results here, unless you prefer PM?
 
Adrenaline
Stock: 1:08.008
Blueshift: 1:07.481
Rotary Junkie: 1:07.435
No_OBst33r: 1:07.375
Praiano63: 1:07.116
dr_slump: 1:07.008

I'm going to take a break, then I'll re-test the top 2 tunes, because I'm confident both of them can run high 6's 'as written' and low-mid 6's if I tweaked them to my style.

Full reviews here: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5239307#post5239307

"Exit Strategy"? Your Trolling my thread, pretty sure I asked you nicely to GTFO, but you admittedly ignored this. Why?

Right here, but you didn't specify the track in that post.

How bout you GTFO of my thread, I have no intentions to go in yours...
 
Hey nubbles, mind cherrypicking a bit more?

He made two posts in a row, and here they are...

I'm working on a full review now.
I just finished writing up Rotary Junkie's review, and already did the car in stock form.
Using the Top Gear Test Track, since I saw a few others mention it.
My benchmark lap time in stock form that I'm comparing all following tunes to is a 1:08.008.

Probably going to do yours next Noobster.

Stock: 1:08.008
Blueshift: 1:07.481
Rotary Junkie: 1:07.435
No_OBst33r: 1:07.375
Praiano63: 1:07.116
dr_slump: 1:07.008

I'm going to take a break, then I'll re-test the top 2 tunes, because I'm confident both of them can run high 6's 'as written' and low-mid 6's if I tweaked them to my style.

Full reviews here: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5239307#post5239307

So it was extremely obvious he tested at TGTT. Nice fallback plan, and where is your apology? Coulda sworn you said if he proved he doesn't use SRF you'd praise him as the god of driving or something.
 
"Exit Strategy"? Your Trolling my thread, pretty sure I asked you nicely to GTFO, but you admittedly ignored this. Why?

Right here, but you didn't specify the track in that post.

How bout you GTFO of my thread, I have no intentions to go in yours...

Context, out of it.

A picture is worth a thousand words.



See... if you had bothered to enter my thread, which ironically enough is directly linked in the the text that you quoted, you would have seen the lower portion of this picture.
If you didn't quote out of context, you would have seen the top half of the picture.

Deep Forest wasn't even mentioned until 2 pages later in the thread.

Edit: Now that I think of it... I know you entered my thread, because you read the review I gave it. In post #66 you mention the 'comparo' and stated you were glad it "met the goal", which could only logically be referring to my statements of "I'm not a fan of ballast, but this car is far easier to drive than the others." and "...this tune, so far, has been the most forgiving."
 
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OH HEY SOMEONE DOESN'T HAVE A CAMERA CAPABLE OF RECORDING VIDEO BUT THEY POSTED A REPLAY I CAN WATCH ON MY PS3 BUT I'M NOT GOING TO ACCEPT THAT AS PROOF.

:lol: :rolleyes: Seriously?
 
Adrenaline
"I'm not a fan of ballast, but this car is far easier to drive than the others." and "...this tune, so far, has been the most forgiving."

Ohh thank you. The inferior Tune has met it's goal. That's great :)
 
Rotary Junkie
OH HEY SOMEONE DOESN'T HAVE A CAMERA CAPABLE OF RECORDING VIDEO BUT THEY POSTED A REPLAY I CAN WATCH ON MY PS3 BUT I'M NOT GOING TO ACCEPT THAT AS PROOF.

:lol: :rolleyes: Seriously?

How do you check a replay file for SRF???
 
I have my reasons (including him admitting to using other assist), but they are irrelevant. I said it's only my opinion, one I'm entitled to, but by no means anything beyond that. I don't think my opinion is of higher value the anybody else's. He and I have gripe from another thread. I nicely asked him to keep his post out, he ignored me and kept posting, he acts like a 10 year old instigator looking to play the victim.

I've really had enough, I already knew there wouldn't be any video confirmation, the 10 year old kids that hang at the corner store have cell phones with video cameras (they almost all have them these days) so that's just more blah blah blah. Leads me to believe if not SRF there is something he doesn't want people to see. Probably drives with the "race line" on or something, it don't matter, I don't even care anymore, this is too petty to waist any more time on, especially now that people are being called "idiots", its just reached a level of lame that's beneath me.

Thread successfully dead.
 
Dude, his ghost replays provided in the zip file are far better than any cellphone replay. You can load them up in the game and find out exactly what settings he used and follow him around the track. And he already admitted to using the racing line I believe, as well as an automatic transmission. Does that make his tests invalid? Not in my book. He drove all the tunes posted and stated a very thorough review of each. If you were to do the same, I'm sure you'd have a preference with one over the other. Who knows, you might actually learn something from it too. Bad mouthing a guy who obviously stepped away from the tunes and gave each one an honest 10 laps is very rude if you ask me. SRF or not, he put time into your project in hopes to find the best tune for this car.
 
chuyler1
Dude, his ghost replays provided in the zip file are far better than any cellphone replay. You can load them up in the game and find out exactly what settings he used and follow him around the track. And he already admitted to using the racing line I believe, as well as an automatic transmission. Does that make his tests invalid? Not in my book. He drove all the tunes posted and stated a very thorough review of each. If you were to do the same, I'm sure you'd have a preference with one over the other. Who knows, you might actually learn something from it too. Bad mouthing a guy who obviously stepped away from the tunes and gave each one an honest 10 laps is very rude if you ask me. SRF or not, he put time into your project in hopes to find the best tune for this car.

"Every time I get out..... They pull me back in"

Ohh I can see if SRF was on? In a cell vid I can at least see that SRF is not on when seeing him load up the race., the only assist I have real gripe with, Wait, I don't care anymore. Regardless of my reasons, I never stated it was any more then my opinion. One I'm entitled to, it's of no consequence to him to simply dismiss my opinion and leave the thread alone. Why start confrontation for no reason? If somebody ask you to leave there thread, but instead you ignore them and continue to post, how can you do so without consciously knowing what your doing is passive instigation???

This time 4 real. Other things to do...
 
Definition of forum: a public meeting or assembly for open discussion

If you wanted this to be a one-way discussion about the Yellowbird, you should have created a website...not posted a thread in a forum. Forums are for public discussion. If you don't like what someone has to say, don't respond. Just like you could choose to ignore what I have to say.

Honestly, who really cares if he had SRF on except you. Personally I would have taken the tunes he supposedly found to be better and I would've run a few laps with them and posted my results. Have you done that? Have you analyzed these other tunes? If not, your quote-unquote "PROJECT" is for **** and closing this thread is most definitely the right thing to do.
 
I already knew there wouldn't be any video confirmation

Fail embed is fail...
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz23VCRLPXU

Issue your apology, update your sig and get over it.

Back to the subject at hand...
Last night I PM'd Rotary Junkie my current progress with the car, and explained what I was experiencing, some tests I had tried, what worked, what didn't etc etc.

He replied with some suggestions, and I just got finished testing them out.
RJ, who has no access to GT5, just obtained the new fastest lap for Deep Forest, snaking his way in with a 1:11.652...
BUT... It took too much work RJ!

The variation of slump & praiano's tune I sent you last night, is much more controlled and easier to drive.
I applied your settings and headed back to Deep Forest. Braking is slightly improved, and the car seems to handle better through the 3/4 section of the turn. (Assuming you split it 4 ways, rather than 3 like usual)

Your aggressive rear spring forced me to re-adjust the LSD, to something a bit more conservative, which I just defaulted back to the old 8/18/5 we were using previously in the thread and that worked well enough, to complete the test laps. The main issue I had, was the rear end doesn't ever feel like it's getting into the track, if you know what I mean. It's rather skate-y, which is magnified by uphill inclines at full throttle, oddly enough and especially difficult on 'landing' at the few places you catch air here. It also seems to wander in the straighter sections of the track, which cause me to have to chase the car a bit, which is where the work comes in a bit. It's a lot less confident inspiring, I suppose is the best way to describe it. Also, if we were to stick with these springs, I'd have to adjust the brake balance as well, but that was a minor issue.

Test #1 - Softer Rear Spring
So, I softened the rear spring by 10% from what you initially suggested. Doing so, helped to an extent. It also let me swap back to the updated LSD I've been using as well. The car is a bit more comfortable, but I feel, overall your tune is still more prone to bigger accidents. The softer rear spring helps the car rotate through the center, and this was greatly appreciated on the long double sweep, where we all end up eating a mountain side a time or two ;) This is where I was really able to distinguish between the ghost, allowing me to pull a few car lengths, and then even farther in the last two 90's thanks to that help in the center. So while being nearly identical in sector 1, this adjustment really paid off in sectors 2 & 3, with a final time of 1:11.281, which is very impressive. Maybe with some more seat time, I can grow to love this tune, if it's gunna be that much faster. It wasn't worth it for the same lap times, but for a 4 tenth gain, I can adapt :P

Test #2 - Toe
*First I should mention, I left the rear spring rate at the -10% value.
RJ disagree's with the extreme toe used by the other tunes. I'm inclined to agree, because I'm not personally a fan of toe values that exceed .20. BUT... in the last tests, the toe helped this car immensely and I'm willing to give up my beliefs if it means a faster car :D So, since I found Praiano's toe value to be the best so far, even when combined with slump's tune, I decided to throw them back on this tune and see what happens. (-70 / +50)
Doing this, makes the car feel extremely more stable. Straight line stability is enough that I can actually let go of the wheel, the car is much less likely to slide on hard corner entry as well, which is a nice comfort. Finally these toe settings help with the ability to get back to the throttle, with better traction, less sliding around. However... The downside of the toe, is that it creates some understeer from the center out. Which ended up making the car slower in the big picture. I think it would be best to find a happy medium between the 2 extremes, to get the best handling, while retaining the most amount of control, so I'll focus on that later, once we get further down the tuning line. Now, I believe I'm still using the 0/-50 ballast right now, so possible taking that off, may help with the understeer a touch, but even so, the toe needs to be dialed in to a happy medium.

Tl;dr GET TO WORK RJ! I want to break the 10's! No excuses, play like a champion, rule #17!
 
chuyler1
Definition of forum: a public meeting or assembly for open discussion

If you wanted this to be a one-way discussion about the Yellowbird, you should have created a website...not posted a thread in a forum. Forums are for public discussion. If you don't like what someone has to say, don't respond. Just like you could choose to ignore what I have to say.

Honestly, who really cares if he had SRF on except you. Personally I would have taken the tunes he supposedly found to be better and I would've run a few laps with them and posted my results. Have you done that? Have you analyzed these other tunes? If not, your quote-unquote "PROJECT" is for **** and closing this thread is most definitely the right thing to do.

If the description in the OP was fully read we wouldn't be here.

Settings = (according to tester) the most forgiving and easiest to handle in the group tested, & only a few tenths off the faster (lighter, less stable, harder to handle) set ups tested, by the same tester. Inferior?!?! Idiot?!?!?!

Goal accomplished. Goal was never tune the YB as fast as possible for skilled drivers, that defeats the nature of the Project, they don't need a more forgiving set up to enjoy the bird, that was the goal. (keep reading you will see had it been read we wouldn't be here) I believe I even stated that in order for the car to be more driver friendly it was going to sacrifice a lil speed (IMO for my tune), a few tenths is alright by me, as it's going to me more consistent lap to lap ;) with the car being appealing to drivers of a wider range of skill levels.

Public forum yes, but with rules of conduct, one of them is keeping to Topic. I've already had members confirm the settings working for them (adrenalin is the only 1 insulting them, yet confirming they met the goal at the same time. ) so if people have already appreciated the work who is he to insult them? Nobody who's opinion means anything to me, as I suspect mine means little to them.

In situations where there is bad blood, it's best to just avoid each other to keep from polluting the boards, derailing threads, and otherwise diminishing beefs that can be avoided.

I've received confirmation from unbiased members confirming they work, and work well, accomplishing the goal I set out to achieve. I don't care about the indirect attacks against my work out of bitterness that I took a stand against him on another issue in another thread.

I mean ignoring the OP outright in his thread? How childish is that? Calling people "idiots"? How childish is that. I may have put out my opinion he uses SRF, but never attacked him with name calling or insults nor have I been passively insulting/condescending. If he does testing of my work I have the right to question his methods of testing to post in my thread, he ignores me so I ask him to leave. He still ignored me completely, but kept posting.....
 
Oh seems that I've to update my tune.
1:11.652. very good time and a great challenge for me. I'll try to beat it.
Aggressive rear spring...hmm could it be.... 16?

I see that you're driving with the birds view....looks weird to me.:lol:
I hate this view and would be a lot slower. But yeah everyone has his own driving style.

(No_OBsT33R don't worry, I don't try to make it as fast as possible when it gets at the same time harder to drive)
 
Saw everything but a time.... No new highlighted times on your leader-board at all. What gives? Was it there and I didn't see it?

Maybe I'd be a lil faster if I drove it auto with the blue line of help, I'll also have to really pay attention to the gear indicator. Gotta get my wheel replaced too, DS3's holding me back, lol.

No 1:07.XXX (I'm sure) at Deep Forest as was the time that brought me to thinking SRF was a must. I already admitted my error, but if there is a time in the vid confirming your posted time at Deep Forest no SRF, I'll fix up my sig for yah anyways, true to my word.
 
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It is an 1:11.XXX time and he did a new best time. (First place is yellow)

Look at 1.40 - 1.46 and 2.16 in the vid.
At 1.26 you can see clearly that he did a 1:11.647
 
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Saw everything but a time.... No new highlighted times on your leader-board at all. What gives? Was it there and I didn't see it?

Yep. You're either color blind, or just blind. I know the quality isn't great, but you're really grasping at straws now. The ghost on the track, matches the time under 'best lap' which in the video is shown as a 1:11.714. I beat the ghost to the line and you can clearly see the new 'best lap' change. Pause the video at exactly 1:26, when the things are over top of the black section, created by the bottom side of the bridge. 1:11.674 (-.040). Which at this point, really means nothing, seeing as how I just shattered that lap time with a 1:11.2xx.

In fact, here... Let's take your human error completely out of the equation:
Screen shot straight from the youtube version of the video, full screen @ the highest res you can view.

 
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