PS3 General Discussion

[Pako]

Congrats Viper Zero on the awesomeness of your bed collection. I offically hate you right now, but laugh and the idiots that bought theirs for 14,000 off of ebay. Idiots like that deserve to pay that much.

 

[Solid Lifters]

Congrats Viper Zero on the awesomeness of your bed collection. I offically hate you right now, but laugh and the idiots that bought theirs for 14,000 off of ebay. Idiots like that deserve to pay that much.

He wont read your message for several weeks. He's got a PS3, now.

Congrats, Viper Zero! Let us know how things are!

 

[a6m5]

I can't believe the hype over the PS3. Until the GT HD, heck, maybe even GT5 comes out, I have very little interest in shelling out anymore than the MSRP. I'm really starting to get annoyed by the scalpers.

My coworker noticed the PS3 related email addresses going for over $1,000, today. Just, wow.

Congrats, Viper Zero. 👍 We can't vote you into the Oval Office though. We can't have George W. Bush, back-to-back-to-back.

 

[Pako]

I take it you didn't get one either?

They let some kid bring a couch and generator at our local best buy where he gamed and watched DVD's for a day and a half.

BTW - it's winter here in Montana.

Got to play a off-road game on the demo unit at Best Buy.... Eh.... Time will tell.

 

[slackbladder]

What if I sign up to the UK store version, when it launches in Feb 07.

Well, from what I've been reading I think it's possible to get downloads etc from the Store even if you're in the UK. The thing to do is to put in a made up address, or something. You may have to look around the net for answers.

 

[a6m5]

I take it you didn't get one either?

They let some kid bring a couch and generator at our local best buy where he gamed and watched DVD's for a day and a half.

BTW - it's winter here in Montana.

Got to play a off-road game on the demo unit at Best Buy.... Eh.... Time will tell.

Someone at work was telling me about the people in line being written up for setting up tents. I think he said that it was like a $90 ticket. I wasn't paying a complete attention, so I don't know if it was in Oregon or somewhere else, but pretty low.

 

[DuckRacer]

I found this pic, and when you think about it, it's true.

I take it you didn't get one either?

They let some kid bring a couch and generator at our local best buy where he gamed and watched DVD's for a day and a half.

BTW - it's winter here in Montana.

Got to play a off-road game on the demo unit at Best Buy.... Eh.... Time will tell.

Wow, people are actually camping out for a PS3 in BFE? Dang.

Well, from what I've been reading I think it's possible to get downloads etc from the Store even if you're in the UK. The thing to do is to put in a made up address, or something. You may have to look around the net for answers.

Yeah, if it works like Xbox Live, you have to use an email address based in the US or Japan if you're from Europe with an imported PS3.

 

[Pebb]

He wont read your message for several weeks. He's got a PS3, now.

Congrats, Viper Zero! Let us know how things are!

He can read GTP on his PS3, while he is away from his PC for weeks to come. Also Duck nice photo editing.

 

[DuckRacer]

Also Duck nice photo editing.

Erm...

I found this pic, and when you think about it, it's true.

The joys of the internet...

 

[Jeremy Ricci]

I've got my PS3, impressions to come in the future, but for now, I have more resistance to play.

For those who haven't figured it out, it's Multiplayer is.....




amazing.

 

[SimRaceDriver]

Question:

On one of the previous pages in this thread..someone mentioned that the PS3 was 'region' free....but the games were still region encoded...Is that true?

(Example: I buy a PS3 here in the 'states' but could not import a game from the UK and play it on my PS3??)


TIA for the clarification....


IF this is true..there goes my thoughts on buying a PS3 and having some really cool games imported from overseas!!!

 

[Jeremy Ricci]

Some games are region coded, some games aren't.

 

[YSSMAN]

I found this pic, and when you think about it, it's true.

Ha ha, very nice indeed!

Did they end up catching those guys who shot the dudes in CT? I wonder if there will be riots in the UK like there were here...?

 

[Freddie]

Somehow, VG-Cats' #214 - Vegonomics, fits right into all this. (Edit; Apparently not, but I still think it's hilarious)

I won't be buying a PS3 'til I know I have both the time to play on it and the money to pay for it. Which won't be anytime soon.

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

Somehow, VG-Cats' #214 - Vegonomics, fits right into all this.

Except that theory is based on the idea that Sony is purposefully limiting supply which is absolutely preposterous. The only people that benefit by the limited supply are the resellers, not the manufacturer, and not even the retailers, at least not those that don't break MSRP, or bundle them in packages selling for many times over the cost of the system.

What some seem to fail to understand is that there is no easy button to press that will magically manufacturer these consoles, thus allowing Sony to meet the unbelievably high demand.

Then you have groups of people who say then they should hold off until they have millions of PS3s in warehouses, and then release them to the drooling public. The problem is that then there will even be more anger for those that know Sony has been sitting on hundreds of thousands, even millions of PS3 instead of releasing them so that at least those who would like the opportunity to get one early can. Besides, for those that would have wanted Sony to wait.. why not simply pretend that it hasn't been released yet, and buy it when they are more readily available? Or was the point of those complainers that they just don't want someone else to get to play with it before they do, but at the same time they don't want to have to go out of their way to get it early for themselves.

Here is the simple truth. People just love to complain, and many can be quite bitter when others get a toy that they want before they do. The PS3 launch is a perfect example of how spoiled modern cultures have become. We aren't even talking about a limited supply of food or shelter... its only a bloody entertainment system, and Sony is clearly releasing them as quickly as they can make them.

This really ought to be a serious reality check for those yelling and screaming, rioting in stores, waiting days out on the streets, or even just ranting over even the most meaningless issues.

P3 is not life or death, and as we all know, eventually supply will match demand. And then hopefully people will be a little more civil to each other, and even to the companies who are obviously doing their best to get them out to those that want them.

 

[Pako]

Except that theory is based on the idea that Sony is purposefully limiting supply which is absolutely preposterous. The only people that benefit by the limited supply are the resellers, not the manufacturer, and not even the retailers, at least not those that don't break MSRP, or bundle them in packages selling for many times over the cost of the system.

What some seem to fail to understand is that there is no easy button to press that will magically manufacturer these consoles, thus allowing Sony to meet the unbelievably high demand.

Then you have groups of people who say then they should hold off until they have millions of PS3s in warehouses, and then release them to the drooling public. The problem is that then there will even be more anger for those that know Sony has been sitting on hundreds of thousands, even millions of PS3 instead of releasing them so that at least those who would like the opportunity to get one early can. Besides, for those that would have wanted Sony to wait.. why not simply pretend that it hasn't been released yet, and buy it when they are more readily available? Or was the point of those complainers that they just don't want someone else to get to play with it before they do, but at the same time they don't want to have to go out of their way to get it early for themselves.

Here is the simple truth. People just love to complain, and many can be quite bitter when others get a toy that they want before they do. The PS3 launch is a perfect example of how spoiled modern cultures have become. We aren't even talking about a limited supply of food or shelter... its only a bloody entertainment system, and Sony is clearly releasing them as quickly as they can make them.

This really ought to be a serious reality check for those yelling and screaming, rioting in stores, waiting days out on the streets, or even just ranting over even the most meaningless issues.

P3 is not life or death, and as we all know, eventually supply will match demand. And then hopefully people will be a little more civil to each other, and even to the companies who are obviously doing their best to get them out to those that want them.

This is where a prepay would have been nice. It would have told Sony up front how many units they needed built at launch and would have given them the revenue to do so. Build the number of units pre-sold and add a 100,000 to the launch date and your good to go. Not sure of all the hurdles Sony had to go through to get this first 400,000, but I would have thought getting a pre-order number from the vendors or their patrons would have taken a lot of guess work out of how many to make at launch.

 

[Solid Lifters]

I'm surprised we haven't heard the total number of PS3 consoles that made it over here. I say it's, 187,550, 'cause there's no chance in hell it was over 200,000.

 

[Robin]

Viper Zero, presumably youve bought some games aswell for your lovely new PS3 , just wondering does it say anything about regional locking (like NTSC, PAL) etc etc on the game box... because the console is region free but some developers lock the games to set regions... having said that the PS3 box says NTSC...... I dont get all this!!! Maybe you can explain as you now have one...

If you have time to take some pics it would be really cool!

Robin

Oh and also, where does it says the console is made on the back? Just interested.....

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

This is where a prepay would have been nice. It would have told Sony up front how many units they needed built at launch and would have given them the revenue to do so. Build the number of units pre-sold and add a 100,000 to the launch date and your good to go. Not sure of all the hurdles Sony had to go through to get this first 400,000, but I would have thought getting a pre-order number from the vendors or their patrons would have taken a lot of guess work out of how many to make at launch.

I think you misunderstand the situation. Sony wasn't guessing how many were needed. I think everyone knew, especially Sony, that they needed well over a million in the US alone, to meet initial demand.

Its not like Sony could have made a million PS3s for the US market, but decided to make fewer because they didn't expect them to sell. They are making them as fast as they can, but trying to ramp up production of a new technology using parts from countless numbers of diffrent vendors from across the globe is just a tad more complex than stamping out a million DVDs.

The problem of pre-orders, especially when you do not know how many units will actually be produced in time, is the risk of pissing off a lot of consumers who bought a pre-order only to find out there weren't enough to fill all the orders. As has been reported, no retailer knew exactly how many PS3 they were going to be allocated until they were finally shipped just prior to release date. On top of that, each chain had complete control over how they would allocate their share of PS3 to each of their stores... and not just because Sony didn't know the total number, but that allocation for each store in a chain was not up to Sony, but up to the parent companies of those retail outlets - making pre-orders all that much more dificult to fullfill with any degree of certainty or accuracy.

I agree though, that pre-orders are often a very useful tool for gauging consumer demand. With products like DVDs which can be produced in a very short amount of time, these pre-orders are in fact used to determine production numbers.

However, the PS3 is not a DVD, and clearly demand is far greater than production can currently keep up with.

 

[Solid Fro]

Viper Zero, presumably youve bought some games aswell for your lovely new PS3 , just wondering does it say anything about regional locking (like NTSC, PAL) etc etc on the game box... because the console is region free but some developers lock the games to set regions... having said that the PS3 box says NTSC...... I dont get all this!!! Maybe you can explain as you now have one...

If you have time to take some pics it would be really cool!

Robin

Oh and also, where does it says the console is made on the back? Just interested.....

I haven't purchased any PS3 games yet, so I don't have a case to look at. I have all the demos from the PS Store and RR7 rented from Gamefly. I believe the games are region free. My PS3 says it was made in China and it has an "October 2006" date stamp on it.

Oh, GT4 works just fine on the PS3.

 

[Jeremy Ricci]

SixaxiS impressions - Very light, but I like that, it makes it really comfortable to use. THe motion sensing is a LOT more responsive than I had orginally thought, and works very well with Motorstorm, it almost gives you a sense of weight through the car (though nothing like a good wheel, but better than analog sticks). The triggers, while a bit funny, aren't necessarily as bad as people say. While I can see why peoples hands might slip off, I really REALLY think that's only a problem if you have giant fingers or are giving it the monster grip, but it doesn't take a whole lot of pressure to hold the trigger, so slipping is, in my opinion, a non issue.

MotorStorm - You have to see it to get it, but it's really good looking. ANd it's fun to boot, especially when you play the buggy's in first person view, it's a ton of fun. Smashing up your car is pretty awesome too, TONS AND TONS of pieces flying around. The close cam on the motorcycles is extremely difficult to use, however, and I don't care for it

Resistance - First off, let me say...it's 9+ material, very very very polished. Single player is fun, multiplayer is AMAZING, and it's use of the sixaxis is actually really really well done. And, all I have to say is, Conversion online is fuggin sweet.


Anyway, I'm back off to play, catch you fellas later.

 

[Kent]

So is the first post accurate?
If so, I think I'm going to have to buy one of these round about January.
Let me know if those specs are up to date with the US release (please). (to anyone out there)

 

[Pako]

I think you misunderstand the situation. Sony wasn't guessing how many were needed. I think everyone knew, especially Sony, that they needed well over a million in the US alone, to meet initial demand.

Its not like Sony could have made a million PS3s for the US market, but decided to make fewer because they didn't expect them to sell. They are making them as fast as they can, but trying to ramp up production of a new technology using parts from countless numbers of diffrent vendors from across the globe is just a tad more complex than stamping out a million DVDs.

The problem of pre-orders, especially when you do not know how many units will actually be produced in time, is the risk of pissing off a lot of consumers who bought a pre-order only to find out there weren't enough to fill all the orders. As has been reported, no retailer knew exactly how many PS3 they were going to be allocated until they were finally shipped just prior to release date. On top of that, each chain had complete control over how they would allocate their share of PS3 to each of their stores... and not just because Sony didn't know the total number, but that allocation for each store in a chain was not up to Sony, but up to the parent companies of those retail outlets - making pre-orders all that much more dificult to fullfill with any degree of certainty or accuracy.

I agree though, that pre-orders are often a very useful tool for gauging consumer demand. With products like DVDs which can be produced in a very short amount of time, these pre-orders are in fact used to determine production numbers.

However, the PS3 is not a DVD, and clearly demand is far greater than production can currently keep up with.

Well....one would think that if we learn from history, it tells us that there will be shortage of supply. Sony alone experienced it with the PSOne, PS2, and now the PS3. Buy a factory and build your own parts. I mean, we're not talking about a little mom and pop operation, we talking about a super power in the electronics industry, Sony.

I do hear what you're saying though....

 

[YSSMAN]

Well....one would think that if we learn from history, it tells us that there will be shortage of supply. Sony alone experienced it with the PSOne, PS2, and now the PS3. Buy a factory and build your own parts. I mean, we're not talking about a little mom and pop operation, we talking about a super power in the electronics industry, Sony.

I do hear what you're saying though....

Kudos go to Nitrate as well. I have to agree that anyone with any knowledge of the history of Playstation would have seen the shortages shortly after the systems introduction seemingly two years ago. I think Solid Lifters makes an interesting claim, that actual retail figures had to be far lower than what had originally been stated. The same issue was addressed by a few electronic news sources as well earlier this week, but I'd bank that somewhere near 400K made it on the shelves... Maybe.

Sony in part does have itself to blame for some things. Production on the console did start a bit late, as a matter of fact the same thing happened with the 360, so big deal certainly, but nothing that hadn't happened before. I also think the rush to market cost the public some console levels, but as always, it is best to launch in November in time for Christmas here in the US.

They are building more, at least so they have enough to fill some shelves in the US before the end of the year (they want what, just shy of 2 million worldwide by the end of the year?), but with the European launch on the horizon, things are going to be tight.

My guess is that if you didn't get one at launch, it is going to be a while. I know I had to wait until February to get my 360 post-launch, and I assume it will be longer for the PS3 for many people not only in America, but around the world. Some predictions have put full availability of the PS3 almost to the fall of next year, and while I do think it is a bit pessimistic, I think that there is some slight bit of possibility to it.

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Kudos to those who have it, as I don't know anyone here in Grand Rapids who bought one...

 

[DuckRacer]

but I'd bank that somewhere near 400K made it on the shelves... Maybe.

According to this site, there's only been about 250,000 PS3s sold (and since practically every PS3 is sold, it's safe to assume that's about the number it shipped). And that's including the Japan launch, where there was roughly 80,000 sold. So, it seems like only 170,000 made it to North America (or should I say the US... I haven't heard anything about Canada or Mexico receiving any).

 

[Race Idiot]

God damnit now I know you can install linux on it and there is going to be a dedicated linux distro for it oh god I want it now. Because errrrr LINUX IM A BIG NERD ARGH

Although I can wait a year I suppose.

edit:SOMEONE INSTALL LINUX ON THEIR PS3 AND TELL ME IF IT WAS GOOD ARGH NO DONT TEMPT ME ARGH

 

[Pebb]

I cannot decide if I should import or wait, but now I am mainly going to wait for one. But if I do import one, I post a video of the reaction, which my big brother may get, since he also wants a PS3.

 

[slackbladder]

What will be interesting to see, and of vital importance to Sony, is how quickly they can keep stock coming.
The big problem that Microsoft had with the 360 was lack of supply for several months. If Sony can keep things flowing then there's a chance anyone dissapointed with the launch may still find one by Jan/Feb. But I do wonder if they can really produce 500,000 PS3's a month.

 

[Robin]

I haven't purchased any PS3 games yet, so I don't have a case to look at. I have all the demos from the PS Store and RR7 rented from Gamefly. I believe the games are region free. My PS3 says it was made in China and it has an "October 2006" date stamp on it.

Oh, GT4 works just fine on the PS3.

Thankyou very much for the reply Viper Zero 👍 ..... and the GT4 bit cheered me up!

 

[Jeremy Ricci]

I said GT4 worked fine like 5 pages back...geebus.

And PS3 is partially region free. THe hardware is, however, much of the Software will not be (especially for larger titles like MGS, GT, and so forth).