PS3 General Discussion

Blue Ray uses the same wavelength to HD-DVD but uses different optics to focus the beam, thats why it a can store more information on a disk.

it goes like this.

CD is 708nm
DVD is 650nm

these are both in the red spectrum (light is just wave forms)

Blue-Ray is 405nm
HD-DVD is 405nm

But HD-DVD uses the same optics as DVD thus limiting its storage capacity, BD on the other hand uses different optics to focus the laser and make it thinner, and this equates to more data stored on a disk, but also the protective layer on BD is thinner than HD-DVD.

BD is 0.1 mm thick while DVD and HD-DVD is 0.6, this means easier to get to the data and also more layers per disk upto 200gb with 8 layers per disk.

BTW i agree with tha_con, sony isnt making a seperate type of drive with NEC they are getting into bed with them so that they can make HD-DVD drives under another name and also so that NEC will make BD drive's because they were not going to upon till this venture took place.

Delay for the PS3 has nothing to do with this venture in any way. The delays are due most likly to the RSX not being shipped till the end of April because Nvidia's finacial year ends then and they haven taken payment for the chips they have produced.

I also only expect BD and HD-DVD to be around for a few years as HVD is growing in momentum.
 
tha_con
Okay, again, this news is NOT about a "joint" optical disc or drive. THere is NOTHING about a "unified" standard here. Anywhere.

What this IS about, is Sony working with NEC to produce HD-DVD drives.

Just like Toshiba teamed up with Samsung to being developing Blu-Ray Recorders for the PC that will release soon in Jpaan.

Also, a BD-ROM is not a BDR. BD-ROM. ROM. Read Only Memory.

Your level of "Dip****" is amazing...

Again, you completely miss my entire point, and what I said. How can you, or anyone, be this stupid?

Unbelievable...
 
Solid Lifters
Your level of "Dip****" is amazing...

Again, you completely miss my entire point, and what I said. How can you, or anyone, be this stupid?

Unbelievable...

Directly from the horses mouth, you said:

"Sony have been taking considerable steps getting to the obvious destination of a HD-DVD/Blu-ray player"

By which you are trying to incenuate that Sony is making a combo drive capable of playing both, which is clearly not the case.

I stated that was not the case.

You lose, I don't care to win, just putting out the CORRECT info...once again.
 
Hey Solid, are you gonna buy the BD player when it comes out? or you'll just wait for the PS3? Anyway, IMO, it's a good idea for sony to creat a BR/HD DVD player (if they are going to), since that will save the consumers from the hassle of choosing which player to buy.
 
KENJIusa
Hey Solid, are you gonna buy the BD player when it comes out? or you'll just wait for the PS3? Anyway, IMO, it's a good idea for sony to creat a BR/HD DVD player (if they are going to), since that will save the consumers from the hassle of choosing which player to buy.
No, but I'm going to buy a BDR. Too bad tha_idiot has no idea what that is. Heh.

BD/HD-DVD will probably hit the market before the PS3, which is why I strongly feel the PS3 will be both BD/HD-DVD, too. If Sony really wants the PS3 to be "The" entertainment device they're planing for, then they need to make it a BD/HD-DVD.

I'll buy a PS3, if that comes out first. I don't know if it will, or not, but if I see a BDR, with a HDD, I'll buy that first. If the BDR PC drives come out, I'll buy one of those, too. But, I'll hold off on one of those if I feel confident that the HVD will come out soon enough.

EDIT: Looks like the Sony conference is going to be a bust. No new info...


PlayStation 3 Not Shown at Destination PlayStation


Sony held its annual Destination PlayStation event for retailers and general media today. A slate of anonymous sources have written in to tell us that nothing new was revealed about the PlayStation 3. Attendees were required to sign a legally binding decree of non-disclosure, so we weren't able to squeeze much in the way of specifics out of the brave "deep throats" that wrote-in.
Taking into account the recent comments from analysts and Sony's chip partner, Nvidia, today's non-news pretty much confirms that the PlayStation 3 won't ship this spring--not even to Japan.

As for when it will ship, Sony still isn't saying. The next opportunity for the company to make a big splash to the media will be during the Electronic Entertainment Expo in May. PSX Extreme will be there to bring you all the juicy details.
 
I seriously doubt PS3 will support HD-DVD. Adding that functionality would mean a serious delay in launching the box. While the two may seem similar on the surface, what with blue lasers and all, they're actually quite different, and the readers aren't compatible. They'd probably have to add a third laser and a whole other lens array to accomodate HD-DVD. That's costly and time-consuming. I don't see it happening, not for the PS3 at any rate.

I won't be buying a BD player at launch. For one, I don't yet have an HDTV, so there's not much point. Second is the cost.. I'll do like I did for DVD.. wait for the players to reach around the $300 point before I buy one. Let the technology ripen a bit. Until that time, my PS3 will be my BD player.
 
Solid Lifters
No, but I'm going to buy a BDR. Too bad tha_idiot has no idea what that is. Heh.

BD/HD-DVD will probably hit the market before the PS3, which is why I strongly feel the PS3 will be both BD/HD-DVD, too. If Sony really wants the PS3 to be "The" entertainment device they're planing for, then they need to make it a BD/HD-DVD.

I'll buy a PS3, if that comes out first. I don't know if it will, or not, but if I see a BDR, with a HDD, I'll buy that first. If the BDR PC drives come out, I'll buy one of those, too. But, I'll hold off on one of those if I feel confident that the HVD will come out soon enough.

EDIT: Looks like the Sony conference is going to be a bust. No new info...


PlayStation 3 Not Shown at Destination PlayStation


Sony held its annual Destination PlayStation event for retailers and general media today. A slate of anonymous sources have written in to tell us that nothing new was revealed about the PlayStation 3. Attendees were required to sign a legally binding decree of non-disclosure, so we weren't able to squeeze much in the way of specifics out of the brave "deep throats" that wrote-in.
Taking into account the recent comments from analysts and Sony's chip partner, Nvidia, today's non-news pretty much confirms that the PlayStation 3 won't ship this spring--not even to Japan.

As for when it will ship, Sony still isn't saying. The next opportunity for the company to make a big splash to the media will be during the Electronic Entertainment Expo in May. PSX Extreme will be there to bring you all the juicy details.

LOL.

So first you say I said that PS3 will have a BDR...out of no where. You said this:

Second, Sony wont put a BDR in the PS3. They'll lose money on their memory card sales. With a BDR, we could save game data straight to disc. Though, I would love to have one in there.


From me saying this:

No, they won't. If anything I see Sony possibly giving their BD-ROM drive writeable ROM so they can update firmware in the future and possibly add HD-DVD capability


I was talking about updating FIRMWARE on the drive itself, nothing about a BDR at all. Ever. Yet you out of nowhere attack me for saying this, because you seem to think Sony will attempt to put HD-DVD capabilities on the PS3 for no reason (because NOTHING has ever been printed / reported to say otherwise, only you, once again).

And we'll see how you "strongly feel". Just like Toshiba and Sony were going to make their joint format right? We'll see, it won't be the first time you've been let down by your assumptions hopes and dreams.

Sprite I agree, but I really think HVD will only be an industry standard, and will probably never see the light of day as a consumer entertainment medium. It's simply too much space with no way to fill it. The demand won't be there, and it doesn't offer any benifits to the end user aside from space. 100GB is more than enough for a ton of HD footage, and the 1TB that HVD boasts is going to be way overboard.

I see it, at most, being an industry standard for recording raw untouched HD footage for movies possibly, but even then it's tough, the industry isn't going to sway so suddenly after just having gone through a major change. That's just my opinion though.
 
When does Spring officially end? Probably like late May or early June? I wonder if Sony can release the PS3 in Japan by then........

Jedi2016
I seriously doubt PS3 will support HD-DVD. Adding that functionality would mean a serious delay in launching the box. While the two may seem similar on the surface, what with blue lasers and all, they're actually quite different, and the readers aren't compatible. They'd probably have to add a third laser and a whole other lens array to accomodate HD-DVD. That's costly and time-consuming. I don't see it happening, not for the PS3 at any rate.
When I consider all that, I'd rather just have the Blu-ray, and Sony keep the cost down.

Jedi2016
Until that time, my PS3 will be my BD player.
That's my game plan as well.
 
Spring time in Japan ends early July. Here, it ends late June.

I don't think Sony will make the PS3 Spring deadline either. I bet we wont here about the new release date until E3 2006.
 
Solid Lifters
Spring time in Japan ends early July. Here, it ends late June.

I don't think Sony will make the PS3 Spring deadline either. I bet we wont here about the new release date until E3 2006.
I'm from Japan and lives in United States and didn't know their Spring started in different month. I'm bit ashamed. :D
 
a6m5
I'm from Japan and lives in United States and didn't know their Spring started in different month. I'm bit ashamed. :D
I think it does start in the same month. Just several weeks later than ours.

EDIT: Nope. March 20, for us and April 4-8 for Japan.
 
Solid Lifters
I think it does start in the same month. Just several weeks later than ours.

The fiscal year in Japan ends in March or so. Maybe that's why the japanese spring for companies lasts longer. whatever. Oh one thing : Get over that BDR thing. It's getting old and boring as hell.... page for page you discuss about that, sorry, but I think everything has been said... I just hate watching your private wars here, keep the thread clean and don't start fights on everything ( solid, the_con especially ). Don't be offended, but I think the whole BDR/HDDVD thing is not as important for the PS3 as you make it by talking about it page over page....
 
Max_DC
The fiscal year in Japan ends in March or so. Maybe that's why the japanese spring for companies lasts longer. whatever. Oh one thing : Get over that BDR thing. It's getting old and boring as hell.... page for page you discuss about that, sorry, but I think everything has been said... I just hate watching your private wars here, keep the thread clean and don't start fights on everything ( solid, the_con especially ). Don't be offended, but I think the whole BDR/HDDVD thing is not as important for the PS3 as you make it by talking about it page over page....

I disagree, the BD (BD is short for Blu-ray Device which is just a player, while BDR is short for BD-R which is a BD recorder) is a very important aspect of the PS3. Many plan to get their first BD device with the PS3. So, it's important to discuss here.
 
Solid Lifters
I think it does start in the same month. Just several weeks later than ours.

EDIT: Nope. March 20, for us and April 4-8 for Japan.
I'm just digging myself a hole now. :ouch: I meant "ended" in different months.

P.S. I agree with Max. You guys(you know who you are ;) ) are both very valued and respected members here, especially regarding the latest on PS3, Blu-ray, etc. It's perfectly fine to argue and debate, but we should keep it clean. :)
 
Totally agreed, I believe both of you are very important members of this forum, it's a joy to read the infomation that you two give us, but it's also a huge turn off to see you two begin to use "*&^%%", *&%%#@" in your posts on each other.
 
KENJIusa
Totally agreed, I believe both of you are very important members of this forum, it's a joy to read the infomation that you two give us, but it's also a huge turn off to see you two begin to use "*&^%%", *&%%#@" in your posts on each other.

Personally I rarely attack anyone, I may challange their ideas, points, or concepts, but very rarely will I openly call anyone an idiot, moron, or another insulting name.

I've done it a *few* times, hehe, but I'm never the gunning man! lol.


In other news, Midway is planning on working with the strengths of the PS3 controller for UT2K7, saying in an interview they may possibly emphasize vehicle play over the PS3 with a few extra levels that are vehicularly oriented and will play funtion and feel like multiplayer maps...I am rather interested to see how it'll work!!
 
tha_con
Personally I rarely attack anyone, I may challange their ideas, points, or concepts, but very rarely will I openly call anyone an idiot, moron, or another insulting name.

I've done it a *few* times, hehe, but I'm never the gunning man! lol.

No, you attack people all the time. You laugh at them, and their ideas. You know why? You're a pathetic bully and an asshole. You only feel better about yourself when you humiliate others. If you can't get want you want, you'll manufacture an argument by twisting what others say to suit your purpose.

So, there's no need to try to justify yourself and your actions now. So, please, spare us your pathetic excuses.

You can question people and challenge ideas, points and concepts in lot more friendlier tone and way. But you don't, wont and never will.

That's why so many people dislike you. But, as you've stated in the past, that doesn't bother you.
 
:indiff: again the provoking behavior from other members.

This is not a personal debate, never has been. You attack me, call me an idiot when I disagree for valid reasons, it escalates etc. It has nothing to do with my attitude, I'm almost always very mature in my tone and presentation of ideas.


With that said and out of the way (also I will not respond to your insults and accusations any longer, feel free to say what you want) I would like to move on to some other news.

I've been doing some researching on Myril Lynch and their price points, it seems as though they have had a tendency in the past to "over inflate" their estimated costs of a console, specifically the PS2, Xbox, and the Xbox 360.

I believe they take into account a lot of things that are not relatively "direct" from the horses mouth, and inflate a few costs based on guesses (though they may be educated).

For instance, just six months ago, They mentioned the cost of Cell to be between $35-$75, and now that price have gone over triple it's initial cost, but based on what evidence?

I truely believe it is some form of "yellow jounralsim" and skepticism because Sony has not released any news.

On the other hand, we all remember the 360 fiasco where it was price pointed at $715 by many sources, which is entirely untrue. I wouldn't be surprised to see these $900 "estimated" manufacturing costs be bogus, if not overly inflated.
 
tha_con
:indiff: again the provoking behavior from other members.

This is not a personal debate, never has been. You attack me, call me an idiot when I disagree for valid reasons, it escalates etc. It has nothing to do with my attitude, I'm almost always very mature in my tone and presentation of ideas.
I call you an idiot when you start acting like one. It's that simple and your the primer of it all. Constantly starting arguments, when all that is needed is a simply exchange and expression of ideas. Constant attacks when you don't really know what you're talking about, like the BDR matter, which you still don't get it, even after I and another member pointed out your mistake. So, to cover up your mistake, you always start your stupid, annoying attacks and insolent behavior. I'm getting really sick and tired of it.


With that said and out of the way (also I will not respond to your insults and accusations any longer, feel free to say what you want) I would like to move on to some other news.

Yeah, sure. I wish I could believe you. You wouldn't have to ignore anything if you just changed your miserable behavior.
 
personally i think you both need to get out more and get ur self a life .and as for you solid you need to ack't your fekking age man.its true any 1 who make's a post on here and you dont agree with them, you try and rip them apart."asabove"sad..as this is my last post on this site.i gora say its the wores't forum iv ever bean on for back stabing.. *****ing and bullying...ps solid you wouldn't know a good game if it came up and bit you in arssss...noob!!..bye all
 
zack39
personally i think you both need to get out more and get ur self a life .and as for you solid you need to ack't your fekking age man.its true any 1 who make's a post on here and you dont agree with them, you try and rip them apart."asabove"sad..as this is my last post on this site.i gora say its the wores't forum iv ever bean on for back stabing.. *****ing and bullying...ps solid you wouldn't know a good game if it came up and bit you in arssss...noob!!..bye all
Wow. The worst post in this thread goes to yours. That says a lot...
 
zack39
personally i think you both need to get out more and get ur self a life .and as for you solid you need to ack't your fekking age man.its true any 1 who make's a post on here and you dont agree with them, you try and rip them apart."asabove"sad..as this is my last post on this site.i gora say its the wores't forum iv ever bean on for back stabing.. *****ing and bullying...ps solid you wouldn't know a good game if it came up and bit you in arssss...noob!!..bye all
Lern 2 spel.

With that said I don't think either Solid or Tha_Con need to respond to each other in anyway other than to debate nicely. I have seen maturity and immaturity from both of you, and I've also been provided with exellent information from both of of you. If you both just got on in your debates, the form would be a hell of a lot more informative and a hell of a lot less annoying to filter through. I know I shouldn't really be the one saying this (me vs CobraGT anyone) but look at it this way, if it carries on, all that you'll accomplish is irritating people trying to get info from this thread, and the mod's subsequently closing this thread. Neither of which anyone should want to happen, so just back away from the "but he started it" which is just carrying the arguing on and not helping the situation at all. Just forget who started what, who called who, and get back to debating like a debate should be done in a mild, level headed manner.
 
^^ I agree, but I still fail to see where the anger comes from. Anytime I refute any points, logically, and maturely, as an adult, I get flamed by none other, simply because my opinion does not coincide with his own. I cannot help it if I have significant reasons, all very accurate, to believe things other than what he says from time to time. Or the fact that on occasion he misunderstand my posts, says something random, and then when the attempt to correct it comes from my side, I am suddenly acting like a "jackass" and thus deserving of insults, when I'm merely trying to point out that he read my post incorrectly.

And as for Zack...no comment...all that needs to be said has been said.
 
PS3: An Update


The System: Hardware, Software, and Controller

Sony seems to be promising the world with the PlayStation 3, and while not everything about the console has been finalized just yet, the facts they have released so far have set the foundation for what we can expect from the system. We know what hardware powers the system, what publishers and developers are making games for it, what types of disc formats it will read, and even what the controller we'll be using to play the games is like. Here's what we know so far.

Under the Hood

The driving force behind the PlayStation 3 will be the 3.2GHz Cell processor, a multi-core processor designed to handle multiple tasks simultaneously, and scale to meet the needs of each task accordingly. The graphics will be powered by the NVidia-designed 550 MHz RSX GPU, which NVidia claims will be more powerful than two GeForce 6800 Ultra video cards combined. In addition, the PS3 will have 256MB of main RAM, combined with 256MB of VRAM. The console will support TVs running in 1080p progressive scan mode, and will be capable of running sound in Dolby 5.1, DTS and LPCM. It will also have a 2.5" detachable hard drive, although little information, such as how much storage space it will offer, has been announced just yet.

Blu-Ray

Sony is also using the PS3 to push the new Blu-Ray disc format, which they believe will entice consumers to adopt the format much in the same way that the PS2 encouraged adoption of DVD. Sony believes that Blu-Ray will replace DVD in the same way that DVD technology has replaced VHS. While the PS3's Blu-Ray drive is believed to attribute significantly to the console's cost, Sony sees the format's fast transfer rate and larger capacity (initially 50GB on dual-layered discs) as essential for the upcoming generation of games. The PS3's Blu-Ray drive will also cater to older formats, playing PlayStation and PS2 games, DVD movies, and CD Audio.

Connectivity and Control

The PS3 Hardware will have 1000BASE-T Ethernet, as well as 802.11b/g Wi-Fi (the same wireless technology the PSP uses) and Bluetooth 2.0. Furthermore, the system will have 6 USB 2.0 ports (4 in the front and 2 in the back) and ports for a Sony Memory Stick, SD card and CompactFlash card. However, it won't have ports for the old PlayStation 2 controllers and memory cards, so those looking to use the console's backwards-compatibility features will have to start fresh using PS3 accessories (although, in all fairness, the same goes for the Xbox 360).

The PS3 controller (often mockingly referred to as the "batarang" or "banana" by critics) will be a great departure from the DualShock-style controllers that have previously been Sony's standard, with a look that's like& well, like a batarang or banana. The console will support up to 7 of these standard controllers using its wireless Bluetooth connectivity, although the other connection methods will also be used to interface with the PS3 in various ways, including the ability to interact with the PSP via Wi-Fi. Sony has also noted that the popular EyeToy device will work with the PS3, and it's actually used for a few announced titles.

Third-Party Support

Much like the original PlayStation and PlayStation 2, the PlayStation 3 will have strong third-party support, with most major third-party publishers and developers already working on titles for the machine, including EA, Konami, Namco, Capcom, Sega, Ubisoft, Rockstar, Square Enix, Atari, Activision, Midway, and countless others. At last count (TGS, in September '05), the list of Japanese publishers alone numbered 71. Suffice it to say that game companies seem to have every confidence that the PS3 will be just as successful as the PS2, if not more so.

The Questions: Price, Date, and... Online?

We know the basics about what hardware the PlayStation 3 uses and who's working on it, but some of the more important questions remain unanswered. Questions about price and release date have reached fever pitch in recent weeks, and everyone still wonders how the machine will compare to the competition, particularly the already-released Xbox 360. Here's what we can gather about some of the less-certain questions regarding the PS3.

Just How Powerful Is It?

While Sony has missed no opportunity to tout the potential of the Cell processor and RSX GPU, it still remains unclear just how powerful the PS3 will be, and how it will compare to the Xbox 360 (much less Nintendo's even more mysterious Revolution). Sony claims the machine is 35 times more powerful than the PlayStation 2, and has implied that the machine may be capable of nearly twice the performance of the Xbox 360.

Conversely, many developers, including esteemed Metal Gear series creator Hideo Kojima, have commented that the difference in power between the PS3 and Xbox 360 is negligible. More recently, Sony Online Entertainment artist Josh Robinson was fired after comments in a blog stated "I've also talked with people on the technical side of the Xbox 360. The consistent comment I am hearing from people on my end is, 'the Xbox 360 is better,' [...] They are saying that it is capable of just doing more."

While the hard facts are still tough to nail down, the general consensus is that the PlayStation 3 is the most powerful of the three next-generation systems, although probably not by as much of a margin as Sony would like us to think. The arguments for the technical strengths of the PS3 go into CPU floating-point capabilities and the difficulties surrounding programming for parallel architectures, but the long and short of it is that whether or not the advantages of the PS3 are apparent will depend on developers' ability to utilize the PlayStation 3's unique architecture

All Right... How Much?

Right now, one of the biggest missing pieces in the PlayStation 3 puzzle is the price tag. In a January article, CNN Money suggested that their analysis pointed to a $499 price tag, which was reached by observing the projected costs of the hardware. In addition, the $499 price tag seemed to mesh with the opinions from a sampling of anonymous developers, who expect it to cost between $399 and $700. And while consoles generally don't stray above the $299 mark (even the Xbox 360 came in a Core version that was only $299), just about everyone seems to agree that this is probably too optimistic. Even Sony Computer Entertainment president Ken Kutaragi has been quoted as saying "It'll be expensive [...] I'm aware that with all these technologies, the PS3 can't be offered at a price that's targeted towards households."

Speculation about the price has kicked into overdrive recently, thanks to a report from analysts at Merrill Lynch that claim the PlayStation 3 could cost upwards of $800-900, and while consoles are often sold at a loss, if this is true Sony would be taking a tremendously huge hit to the pocketbook to sell PS3 systems for $400-500.

Okay, So When?

As previously mentioned, Sony has long maintained that the PlayStation 3 will be released in Spring '06, and this is a target date they still claim to be aiming for, most likely for the console's Japanese release. According to some, the U.S. release seems to be on track for Fall '06, possibly even as early as September. However, these already suspect claims were thrown even more into doubt recently when analysts at Merrill Lynch claimed the PS3 may not be released until 2007, which have now been joined by recent PC Magazine reports raising questions about Sony's ability to meet its schedule when the PS3's final specs have yet to solidify, and these doubts have been echoed by other publications, such as Forbes.com, and The Washington Post, who observe that the uncertainty over the release date could even hurt game companies. This could also turn around and bite gamers, as a rush to meet a reasonable release date may see system shortages (although that's really nothing new, is it?).

In any case, Sony's increasingly unrealistic target release date is starting to make people lose confidence in Sony's ability to have a successful launch for the PlayStation 3, and their refusal to address concerns with anything more than a blunt "we're still on track for a Spring release" isn't doing much to relieve people's worries.

What About Online Functionality?

The big question revolving around Sony's PS3 online strategy is just what they'll do to compete with Microsoft's very successful Xbox Live service. In the eyes of many gamers, Sony dropped the ball when it came to the PS2's online functionality, and with the wildly successful implementation of Xbox Live features in the Xbox 360, it seems certain that Sony is watching this very closely.

It's known that the PS3 will have a far more comprehensive online functionality than the PS2, including a yet-unnamed online service akin to Xbox Live, albeit apparently still continuing the PS2's legacy as an "open platform" (with publishers maintaining their own servers), rather than Microsoft's more hands-on approach. What remains a mystery are the juicy details: Will Sony charge users for a subscription? What should gamers expect to pay? Will players be able to download games a la Xbox Live Arcade (recent rumors say yes)? Even information developers have received seems to be a bit uneven.

Whatever the case may be, Sony is definitely doing its homework - in fact, it's been headhunting people from Microsoft's Xbox Live team. Mike Kavallierou, a director for Sony's networking team, comes from Microsoft and spent two and a half years working on Xbox Live.

What's With the HDD?

While the PlayStation 2 did receive an add-on hard drive, it was supported by very few titles and was prohibitively expensive, and many saw it as a failure. Not to be discouraged, Sony is redoubling their efforts and has made it clear that the hard drive will play a much larger role on the PS3. However, while Sony's drive to correct past mistakes is clear, just what form the hard drive will come in is still unknown.

It's still unknown whether the hard drive will be included with the system, and size estimates range anywhere from 20GB to 200GB. Ken Kutaragi has specifically made mention of 80GB and 120GB sizes, but nothing has been finalized just yet. Recently, questions have been raised as to whether Sony would follow Microsoft's lead and release two versions of the PS3- one with a HDD and one without. However, Sony VP Phil Harrison has said he believes it is unlikely this will happen, although there is still the possibility that people will have the opportunity to upgrade their PS3s later.
 
Solid nice post, shame the info isnt too new and alot of it is roumer thats made by poor websites, who is the source for this info?

Its is a shame that two people who share this forum have to act in a negative way to each other, I understand that people have differing opinions, me and tha_con have had a bit of a spat over Normal mapping and HDR but thats all behind us (insert kiss on cheek smily) :D but name calling and down right negative posts are not nice for people to read, and for others not in the argument have to wade through posts that are a bit pants and downright boring (I know I post some poo too).

BTW Zack 39 is a friend of mine and I will be letting him know I thought his post was pants :D ha ha ha.

[Back on Topic]

As for PS3 having a BDR its more than likley not going to happen.

And i agree with you Con about the HVD being only for industry, but im sure they will eventually make it into consumer market, as the quality grows for video and sound, but im sure it wont be for a long while before we see it make the shop shelves.
 
sprite
And i agree with you Con about the HVD being only for industry, but im sure they will eventually make it into consumer market, as the quality grows for video and sound, but im sure it wont be for a long while before we see it make the shop shelves.

Wouldn't be good if quality was going backwards eh?:D

Luckily we can always look a bit ahead for the things we want, cause everything expensive will eventually become.....at least LESS expensive (in case someone names moon traveling).
I think thats one of the things I really enjoy about very expensive things, that they get less expensive over time:)
 
Well the problem with HVD is that resolutions aren't going to improve amazingly as far as standards go within the next 5-10 years, 1080p will be a set standard within 7 years, but before that time, we'll be looking at 720p to 1080i as a standard. With the space that HVD offers, it won't be necessary to use, because there would be so much wasted space, not ot mention factories would have to retool yet again, etc etc.
 
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