PS3 General Discussion

The main reason for me getting a PS2 other than because of the GT series is the fact that it doubles up as a DVD player, and infact I still use it to play DVD's now. Ive never had a reason to buy a seperate DVD player now even though theyre cheap as chips. When the PS2 first came out a average player cost as much as a PS2.

PS.

Can the PS3 still play normal DVD's?
 
YSSMAN
Everyone takes shots at eachother throughout the year, you know that. All Microsoft did this year is make fun of Sony's rubber duck demo from last year, that was about it. Wind the clock back to GDC, Sony was all over the other two with stupid sales figures and making cracks about the 360's lack of appearances on store shelves. Nintendo still criticizes the two of them for not making GAMES anymore, etc.

If youre going to get upset about one crack that Microsoft made, I really don't know what to say other than grow up. Its a dog-eat-dog business, and with how personal the game has gotten over the past few years, I'm surprised Kutaragi (Sp?) and Moore didnt get into a fist fight at E3...
Im not upset by any means, maybe you read my post wrong.
 
Well Gamestation seem to have a pre-order thing going. Not sure if they're asking for a deposit. Probably best to go to some stores and ask in person.

The PS3 is a bargain for what it offers, the question is, how much of what it offers will benefit the majority of people right now?
Absolutely. In some respects Sony are taking a risk with their No.1 product.
It would seem a no-brainer to tech enthusiasts to get the PS3 on release (or soon after) but I always feel there's a certain snobbishness amongst the hardcore tech community concerning Sony. I've been on forums where you'd expect people to at least admit that the PS3 is pretty cutting edge in its hardware, if not necessarily its games content.
But you may be surprised to find quite some resistance amongst many 'tech-heads' who would rather buy a 360 from Microsoft (partly because it will let them connect to their Windows Media Centre Edition PC's and for its Live service as well as the games) and a stand alone HD-DVD player/Blu-ray player at a later date, even though it will cost them £500+ more. Supposedly this is because they want to wait and see who 'wins' the HD format war. Which seems silly. Buy a PS3 and the war is won!
If Sony can't convince them, can it convince the less tech savvy consumer?

Sony's strength does seem to stem from it's ability to sell itself to the 'average' consumer. Detractors may say that this proves that the PS2/3 is for 'casual gamers' and ergo not worth their time. But as the average is by default the greater number then that's how you succeed in industry. As Bobbi Flekkman from "This is Spinal Tap" would say - 'Money talks, BS walks'.

The launch purchasers will almost definately be of the more hardcore and technophilic type. The launch consoles will fly off. But afterwards..? Well, with HD appearing on tv via the World Cup and Sky broadcasts maybe more than enough people will get the message.
Sony are one of the big companies pushing HD. The PS3 is at the forefront and, reservations aside, I applaude that. It would just be nice if a few more did too.

Anyway, apologies for the length, but I've been reading too much BS these last few days.
 
slackbladder
Well Gamestation seem to have a pre-order thing going. Not sure if they're asking for a deposit. Probably best to go to some stores and ask in person.


Absolutely. In some respects Sony are taking a risk with their No.1 product.
It would seem a no-brainer to tech enthusiasts to get the PS3 on release (or soon after) but I always feel there's a certain snobbishness amongst the hardcore tech community concerning Sony. I've been on forums where you'd expect people to at least admit that the PS3 is pretty cutting edge in its hardware, if not necessarily its games content.
But you may be surprised to find quite some resistance amongst many 'tech-heads' who would rather buy a 360 from Microsoft (partly because it will let them connect to their Windows Media Centre Edition PC's and for its Live service as well as the games) and a stand alone HD-DVD player/Blu-ray player at a later date, even though it will cost them £500+ more. Supposedly this is because they want to wait and see who 'wins' the HD format war. Which seems silly. Buy a PS3 and the war is won!
If Sony can't convince them, can it convince the less tech savvy consumer?

Sony's strength does seem to stem from it's ability to sell itself to the 'average' consumer. Detractors may say that this proves that the PS2/3 is for 'casual gamers' and ergo not worth their time. But as the average is by default the greater number then that's how you succeed in industry. As Bobbi Flekkman from "This is Spinal Tap" would say - 'Money talks, BS walks'.

The launch purchasers will almost definately be of the more hardcore and technophilic type. The launch consoles will fly off. But afterwards..? Well, with HD appearing on tv via the World Cup and Sky broadcasts maybe more than enough people will get the message.
Sony are one of the big companies pushing HD. The PS3 is at the forefront and, reservations aside, I applaude that. It would just be nice if a few more did too.

Anyway, apologies for the length, but I've been reading too much BS these last few days.

The only reason why the tech guys are more interested on the 360 is because of DX10.

When DX9 is running
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When DX10 is running.
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Here more info about DX10:
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTA0NSwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

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But yeah, there's also the other feature as downloable stuff & music streaming, the extra that come along the PC & the online feature.

If you know a bit about tech, the PS3 have no support for DX10 & prolly run on DX9.

There is also known that Nvidia card can't run High Dynamic Range plus Anti Aliasing. :sly:
 
They'll find a way.

Anyway, it's all about the games. And the graphics, the features, the sound, the extras you get, the online service, the price.

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On the DVD Topic:
-My PS2 was my first DVD player in 2001, after buying the GT3 A-Spec package. I still use it as my primary DVD player to this day, as I still have not bought the DVD remote for the XBOX.

I would say that the PS2 helped push the DVD format to the forefront for most people, and it is often credited for starting the DVD boom not only in Japan, but in the US as well. What made them a good buy was that they were cheaper than most DVD players at the time, and did more than just play DVDs and CDs, thus many people still use them as DVD players.

On the Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD topic:
- I'm still kinda in the middle of the two, but at the moment I'm leaning more twards HD-DVD for several reasons. The biggest advange for HD-DVD right now is that it will be compatable with the 360, it is here right now, and will be cheaper than most Blu-Ray players. HD-DVD also has more support from companies I enjoy products from like Warner Brothers, Walt Disney, Universal, Paramount, New Line, LG (recently added), Fujifilm, etc. The biggest downside I can see with HD-DVD will be the fact that Sony has the rights to movies like Spider-Man and James Bond, that that would be teh suxorz to not have those on my television in HD.

Unlike most people, I belive the battle will come down to the PC front, and who will support Blu-Ray or HD-DVD there. Being that Microsoft really controls the market when it comes to PC's, and it is questionable what Vista will do with Blu-Ray discs, the market may be all-but sealed off from Blu-Ray if the given PC is running with Vista. That may cause a shift twards Apple (have they chosen a format?), so we will see...

Ohh, and DX10:
- Yeah, I may as well just skip the 360, PS3, and Wii... God Damn is DX10 going to make some pretty-looking games! But, I digress... We are still six months away from Vista in the public market, and God knows how long I will have untill I can buy a new tower again. If anything, I would be buying it for Spore alone... That game is going to kick-ass!
 
Mr Deap

Noob.

The 360 only supports limited features of DirectX 10, and you can at most consider it DirectX 9 with a few extra features.

Also, the PS3 *can* do HDR and AA, but the tradeoff comes when you want more onscreen, particle effects, shaders, etc. You have to balance it all out, but when you're running resolutions at 1080i or 1080p, AA becomes very minute, and isn't really a deciding factor.
 
tha_con
Noob.

The 360 only supports limited features of DirectX 10, and you can at most consider it DirectX 9 with a few extra features.

Also, the PS3 *can* do HDR and AA, but the tradeoff comes when you want more onscreen, particle effects, shaders, etc. You have to balance it all out, but when you're running resolutions at 1080i or 1080p, AA becomes very minute, and isn't really a deciding factor.

I'll remember your words. We'll see once the PS3 will come out.
 
Mr Deap
I'll remember your words. We'll see once the PS3 will come out.
I'll remember them to, in fact, I'll link this post to my signature, so when you see a game doing it, you can come back and reference it any time you want.

It's a konwn fact that the 360 cannot handle the entire feature set of the Aegia Phsyics engine, but guess what!? Doesn't matter, you won't see me posting it.
 
The PS3 use open standards, T can use what ever the developer wants to. also XB360 does not uses full DX10, its a hybrid of 9 and 10, not DX10.

DX10 is the reason I'm giving up on PC gaming once the ps3 comes out. I've alread grown sick of pc upgrades. I dont have unlimited funds(altough I am saving up for a Mazdaspeed 3 downpayment :)).
 
Sony Japan discusses PS3: Controller, RSX, Linux and more...
by Bhavin Shah

A number of interviews with a Sony Japan executive has cleared up some ambiguities and revealed some more exciting information.

Izumi Kawanishi, head of SCE's Software Platform Development division, was interviewed by Japanese site IT Media, and asked some of the difficult questions a number of fans and critics have been wanting to ask since Sony's pre-E3 conference.

Kawanishi said consumers should think of the 20GB and 60GB packages as variations, like with different PCs that have a bigger hard drive or more memory. The basic hardware is identical, but sometime in the future there may be further variations to add extra functionality. This will never prevent old games from working, because the operating system and drivers stored on every PS3 can adapt to hardware changes, much like a PC.

He admitted that one HDMI port had been dropped, but suggested that it may reappear in the future.

As Phil Harrison has said in his interviews, the motion sensing technology for the PS3 controller has been in the planning stages for many years. However, Sony felt now was the right time to introduce it because the technology had developed to a suitable level.

The PlayStation logo underneath the Start and Select buttons is a button itself that will allow you to switch the PS3 on and off, connect the controller to the PS3 (i.e. pair up over bluetooth) and access the user interface. Unfortunately, battery life has not been finalised, but he did confirm that the USB port will allow charging and wired gaming.

Kawanishi was asked whether the PS3 would have an internal power supply unit, or an external power brick like with the Xbox 360.

"It's of course internal," he responded. "It's better that way. We of course do things the good way.":cool:

In another interview with AV Watch, Kawanishi was questioned about why final specifications of Cell and RSX, in terms of numbers, was not shown at E3, and is not available on their website. He said that the numbers will be revealed later, but during a different part of the interview referred to the 3.2GHz clock speed of the Cell. This is the same as last year, possibly suggesting a changed RSX specification.

And finally, since Linux is pre-installed on the hard drive, users will be allowed to programme applications. However, Kawanishi stressed that certain game development tools would not be available to homebrew enthusiasts, and that Linux users would be provided with minimal support.
www.ps3land.com
 
YSSMAN
On the Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD topic:
- I'm still kinda in the middle of the two, but at the moment I'm leaning more twards HD-DVD for several reasons. The biggest advange for HD-DVD right now is that it will be compatable with the 360, it is here right now, and will be cheaper than most Blu-Ray players. HD-DVD also has more support from companies I enjoy products from like Warner Brothers, Walt Disney, Universal, Paramount, New Line, LG (recently added), Fujifilm, etc. The biggest downside I can see with HD-DVD will be the fact that Sony has the rights to movies like Spider-Man and James Bond, that that would be teh suxorz to not have those on my television in HD.

Unlike most people, I belive the battle will come down to the PC front, and who will support Blu-Ray or HD-DVD there. Being that Microsoft really controls the market when it comes to PC's, and it is questionable what Vista will do with Blu-Ray discs, the market may be all-but sealed off from Blu-Ray if the given PC is running with Vista. That may cause a shift twards Apple (have they chosen a format?), so we will see...
This topic is actually more interesting than most video game fans think. While gamers, myself included, are busy discussing the MSRP of PS3, I think Sony is looking at something bigger...... That's right, not the "Console War" between Playstation 3 and Xbox 360, but the "Format War" between Blu-ray and HD-DVD. My guess is that Sony sacrificed bigger PS3 sales in exchange for bigger push of the Blu-ray DVD format. It does make sense, because once Blu-ray secures it's position as the next DVD format, cost of the Blu-ray technology(discs, drives) becomes cheaper. Which in turn will lower the production cost of the PS3, allowing Sony to drop the price lower later.

As for Apple, they are supporting Blu-ray, but I don't know if they are supporting just the Blu-ray or both. TBH, I didn't even think about the "PC front". Good call! 👍 "Vista" is the Microsoft's new OS, right? I'd very surprised if they actually refused to work with Blu-ray, but I guess they might try to damage Sony in anyway they can at this point. That annoys me little bit. I believe some of the HD-DVD supporters you have mentioned have either jumped ship, or decided to drop the exclusive support of HD-DVD, because some of those names are either releasing Blu-ray softwares, or part of the group pushing Blu-ray format with Sony.
 
YSSMAN
On the DVD Topic:
On the Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD topic:
- I'm still kinda in the middle of the two, but at the moment I'm leaning more twards HD-DVD for several reasons. The biggest advange for HD-DVD right now is that it will be compatable with the 360, it is here right now, and will be cheaper than most Blu-Ray players. HD-DVD also has more support from companies I enjoy products from like Warner Brothers, Walt Disney, Universal, Paramount, New Line, LG (recently added), Fujifilm, etc. The biggest downside I can see with HD-DVD will be the fact that Sony has the rights to movies like Spider-Man and James Bond, that that would be teh suxorz to not have those on my television in HD.

Unlike most people, I belive the battle will come down to the PC front, and who will support Blu-Ray or HD-DVD there. Being that Microsoft really controls the market when it comes to PC's, and it is questionable what Vista will do with Blu-Ray discs, the market may be all-but sealed off from Blu-Ray if the given PC is running with Vista. That may cause a shift twards Apple (have they chosen a format?), so we will see...

Actually, HD-DVD won't be here for the 360 until December at the earliest.

Also, HD-DVD players now are about $500+. Why would you want to dish out that kind of money now when you can save and 6 months from now get another videogames system and expand your ability to play titles on multiple platforms? I don't see the logic there.

ALSO, HD-DVD is going to have significantly slower market penetration, because it has no word of mouth buzz being generated, where as Sony has immense power in generating buzz for the Blu-Ray format.
 
Since I tried to get in my PS3 notes as soon as I could, I'm going to compile everything I DIDN'T type up. So here goes:

Here are more PlayStation 3 notes I've taken. I have to get in as much as possible because a storm's approaching as of 5PM CDT.



* "Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots"
ANALYIS: MGS "fanboys?" Just because the MGS series isn't HALO doesn't mean it doesn't mean there aren't true fans to the series. Can it, alright players? It looks good even on PS3 hardware (compared to the even more beautiful target render from last year).

* Grand Theft Auto 4... to the XBOX?
ANALYSIS: Damned deplorable. I'm sure the HALO "fanboys" will really want to have HALO3 next year or so (then some idiots want to pirate and the game gets delayed, p*ssing off millions). First the Nintendo-Rare alliance (responsible for one of the best N64 games, "Goldeneye," and games I didn't care much like "Banjo To...ie" and the Conker Series) goes to the XBOX, now a long-stay in the Sony camp goes to Microsoft. GTA4 is heading to the XBOX360, so enjoy "Liberty City Stories" while you still can. Meanwhile, I'll just use C.J. (GTA: San Andreas protagonist) to come up with as many one-liners as possible to avenge his game's dejections from last year's E3 including Best Character. I'm sorry. I seem to hate this exclusivity deal. So what's next? Microsoft acquiring Electronic Arts or even Polyphony Digital?

* "Gran Turismo HD"
ANALYSIS: (See the GT5 thread on GTHD for my comments)

* Formula One 06
Last year, this was a little game loved by some, not real impressive to others. Well, this deal has exceptional detail with some fast action. I do wish I could see much more of this game to get a real idea to this thing. It should be a fairly decent, maybe even VERY decent racing title. Who doesn't want to be Michael Schumacher kicking everyone else's asses? Fernando Alonso proudly earning his paycheck on the track? David Coulthard to actually win something? Kimi to avoid heartbreaks? Or do you have that pro-American instinct and want to win the title over everyone else and rub your face all over the world of talent? Scott Speed's your man. Is this your next great F1 game? Who knows?

"Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom"
Seems sweet and detailed. It should be a wonderful deal.

They shown "Eight Days" again. I criticize the "Lord of the Rings" games as being too much like a movie. Well, this looks more like a movie, but is actually fun looking. Come on now. You can't tell me that "Eight Days" looks like crap. It's lovely. Almost like I'm watching a DVD movie than a game. It looks like a movie I actually don't mind watching. And it seems like it could be a wonderful game come release.

Dirty Harry looks pretty damn sharp. I don't claim to be a movie expert, but this seems pretty authentic if you can take in thugs and beat the s:censored: out of them trying to get answers.

The G4 "Heat Index" on Dirty Harry was rated as Warm. Typical. Part of it is probably because traditionally, games based on movies end up being bad. Other than that, I disagree with the scorching heat of the sun baking Mercury like it's a chocolate chip cookie.
 
A question: the new PS3 has Wi-Fi internet. I'm puzzled. Does this mean that the PS3 has a receiver AND a transmitter to go online or only a receiver?? I know I need a wireless modem to go online but has the PS3 also a transmitter build in or is it only a receiver????
 
I read that article. "The most worrying thing at E3 was that Sony did not have prototype PS3 hardware on display" and "The fact that they did not have one in a final box should make the XBox marketing team jump for joy. It looks like there is still a lot of work to be done." What, like Microsoft had at E3 last year 9 months before their launch?
This is the kind of ignorant twaddle that really wants to make me punch someone.
Interesting stuff, all the same. But I can't help feeling some 'so-called' game journos are talking drivel.
 
The PS3 will have gameplay video capture capabilty. And we will be able to transfer it to a psp to show people what you did and share them online. Now thats innovation This thing sounds more and more worth the money every day.

This could be a big feature that went unanounced at E3. now it may be possible to do this with all games including PS1 and PS2. Now someone couldnt lie about haivng a game early.....
 
Yes the PS3 is hotting up to be quite a good console, The pad desing was what I really wanted to see from this years E3 and some games playable, Im a realist and know that Sony have a way to go to convince so people that the PS3 is worth the price, but to be honest I knew i was going to get one from the day the announced they were going to make it.

For those who havent seen it yet here is the interface we will be all greeted with when we turn on the PS3

 
Interesting vid. Nice. Prettier than the 360's dashboards. Not sure how much of that menu can be seen or used when playing a game as it draws power off of the CPU but still, nice.
It'd be nice to put a pic onto the screen from a digi camera or via memory stick and ust it as a background.
Anyway, good stuff!
 
Well, according to what I've read, the OS and all the stuff that goes with the system operation is run by one of the SPE processors, so the CPU and the other 6 SPEs will be free to run the game.
 
...So the PS3 uses the PSP dashboard? Hmmm, I dunno about that one. Not to say that it doesnt work or anything, but I didnt care all that much for it, but of course, thats just me.
 

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