PS3 General Discussion

[tha_con]

Ok, to answer your question, Swift, I would've gotten a PS3. But not by much. I don't regret buying my 360 at all, but if I had the choice, I would've bought the PS3, but it's a tough decision.



Possibly.


In the official Forza 2 E3 press release, and on Forza's website, and on Xbox.com, it says the release date is Holiday 2006. And Forza 2 won't be delayed, unless they decide to include an in-car camera, or some knucklehead thinks they'll get more money selling it Summer 2007 than at Christmas 06 time.

It's nice to hear that you're not a complete Sony fanboy.



Good point.

Well, call me a skeptic, but I find it hard to believe they will have the game finished in a matter of what, 4 and a half months, when we have not seen one in game asset. At all. Not one playable demo, not one in game screen shot, just some lame teaser trailer.

Even so, the original Forza had nearly 3 years of development time under it's belt. So to assume that they built the next generation game in a matter of two and a half years is absurd. I just don't see it as even remotely possible.

 

[Niels]

You know, I know alot of people that really think the Wii is best to buy.
Nintendo always had a completely different approach to games, and so far they always managed to keep focussing on gameplay.
Now if you make a split decision you would say PS3 cause it will probably be the most powerfull one. But if you think longer, what kind of games come with CPU power? What I fear is purely-graphics-based games with declining quality in storylines and gameplay. Nintendo always improved on gameplay.

I always thought about buying the PS3 anyway though, MGS always had great storylines and good enough gameplay. But since these things cost alot of money I'm just noting this cause I know people can change their minds about this.
PS3 will get the best visuals, thats all we know if the PS3 is going to be more powerfull.

Just a little warning to those who appear to be confident in their decision, think about the games.

 

[Swift]

Just a little warning to those who appear to be confident in their decision, think about the games.

Yep, good point. However, outside of first party, what really great, groundbreaking or just fun games have come out for the Gamecube? Zelda, metroid, mario? All great, but all first party.

 

[tha_con]

You know, I know alot of people that really think the Wii is best to buy.
Nintendo always had a completely different approach to games, and so far they always managed to keep focussing on gameplay.
Now if you make a split decision you would say PS3 cause it will probably be the most powerfull one. But if you think longer, what kind of games come with CPU power? What I fear is purely-graphics-based games with declining quality in storylines and gameplay. Nintendo always improved on gameplay.

I always thought about buying the PS3 anyway though, MGS always had great storylines and good enough gameplay. But since these things cost alot of money I'm just noting this cause I know people can change their minds about this.
PS3 will get the best visuals, thats all we know if the PS3 is going to be more powerfull.

Just a little warning to those who appear to be confident in their decision, think about the games.

The PS2 was more powerful than the PS1 and still had amazing games with amazing graphics with amazing storys. You're idea is already thrown out in the cold and left for dead. With evolution comes pretty games, but the minds behind them stay the same.

 

[Dave A]

If you want good advice, buy a PS3 if you can afford it, and if you have no intentions of keeping the console, sell it on E-Bay. Buy 2 if you can afford them.

 

[slackbladder]

Just a little warning to those who appear to be confident in their decision, think about the games.

For my own part I don't spend too much time worrying about the pros and cons of this, that and the other. The PS3 offers me all I need from a console. The 360 offers me some of what I need (I do not intend on getting the HD DVD add-on). There are games I want on the PS3. There are games I want on the 360. If I can't afford the PS3 (unlikely) I'll wait 'til I can. Really for me there's no need to think any harder about it.
Personally I tend to shrug my shoulders at the whole 'Sony this' and 'PS3 that' etc.

 

[Tenacious D]

Just a little warning to those who appear to be confident in their decision, think about the games.

I have.

PS3:
Devil May Cry 4, woah!
Gradius
Grand Turismo 5/HD, woah!
Heavenly Sword
Killzone 3
Metal Gear Solid 4, woah!
Mobile Suit Gundam
(Naughty Dog game, woah!)
Resistance: Fall of Man, woah!
Tekken 6
Virtual Fighter 5
Warhawk

and those are just the exclusives.

XBox360:
Forza 2, woah!
Gears of War.... maybe. There will probably be more at some point, but the games are obviously so forgettable I couldn't tell you what they would be. To date, no 360 game out has my interest in the least.

Wii:
Zelda
Metroid
Whatever else is fun, but right now I'm not sure.

Now, one of these lists is a little bigger than the others, especially with the woah! titles. Oh, not to mention, but I will, that I'll be getting Sonic (woah!) on the PS3 also. You gotta respect the horsepower.

I love my GameCube, and Nintendo does have the ability to make some darn good games, and it's the only console maker I love. But my Cube only has about seven games for it, while my Dreamcast has over 50. Even the PS2 only has about 15 games for it, and the only ones that get played periodically are GT4 and Devil May Cry 1. On my XBox, I intend to get Shenmue 2 and Panzer Dragoon Orta someday, along with a Colin McRae Rally and Richard Burns, but that with Forza and Sega GT (minus Toca 3 which I may never play again) only totals 6.

Since Sony has the developers' interest, that's where my interest lies as well.

 

[Omnis]

Wii: Zelda, WOAH!
Metroid, WOAH!
Red Steel, WOAH!
Super Mario Galaxy, WOAH!
SSBB, WOAH!

Haha.

 

[tha_con]

Mii:
Brain, WHOA!
Arm, WHOA!
Leg, WHOA!
Pinky Toe, WHOA!



just wanted to have some fun

 

[Solid Lifters]

Sony Call Microsoft "Copy Cats"

In a recent interview, Sony PlayStation President/CEO Kaz Hirai accuses Micro Soft of copying their business structure. A bold statement indeed, seeing how Micro Soft came out with the Xbox 360 before Sony's much hyped PS3. It's apparent Sony are suffering from serious professional envy wishing they released the PS3 before Micro Soft's 360. It's also obvious Sony are trying to get the attention off how they stole the online game feature of Micro Soft's XBox 360 "Live" by stating they were the "copy cats." It also looks like Sony were betting fixing the PS3's flaws and errors was worth the console being delayed. Now, I bet Sony have their doubts this was the correct move by the accusations they now claim.

Also discussed in the interview were Sony's pricing plans for PS3 games. Games will range from $60 to $100 each. That's a lot of money for a game that wont play in High Def! (Read our 'Sony Using Image Constraints for PS3 Games!' article) I see Sony literally ruining their current lead in the video game market with this move. One-Hundred dollars for a game! Rediculous! How far will Sony last as the leader of the video game industry with this "slap to the face, as well the wallet" move? Not very long, for sure. Then again, with all the "anti-theft/copy" features of the PS3, Sony can and will charge whatever they want.

As the interview continued, Kaz gets more apprehensive. When asked, he could not state what games will be available for the PS3 launch. This is proof Sony are still having problems with video game development. It is just four months away from launch, and they have no clue what will be available. Ace! I suspect Sony wont release any games at the launch by design so they can push their "Blu-ray" high-definition movie disc player. Sony are battling with HD-DVD to gain the foothold in the High Def video movie disc market. When the PS2 was released, ten times more DVDs were purchased for the PS2 than PS2 video games. Sony no doubt sees this as a great way to push the Blu-ray in to the market place.

No more was said that was worth reporting. Sony lets it be known that they don't appreciate having their business plans copied, yet stealing others' ideas like motion sensing controllers or online features is just normal business practices. Hey, Sony! "Takes one to know one!"

 

[Mr Deap]

Sony Call Microsoft "Copy Cats"

In a recent interview, Sony PlayStation President/CEO Kaz Hirai accuses Micro Soft of copying their business structure. A bold statement indeed, seeing how Micro Soft came out with the Xbox 360 before Sony's much hyped PS3. It's apparent Sony are suffering from serious professional envy wishing they released the PS3 before Micro Soft's 360. It's also obvious Sony are trying to get the attention off how they stole the online game feature of Micro Soft's XBox 360 "Live" by stating they were the "copy cats." It also looks like Sony were betting fixing the PS3's flaws and errors was worth the console being delayed. Now, I bet Sony have their doubts this was the correct move by the accusations they now claim.

Also discussed in the interview were Sony's pricing plans for PS3 games. Games will range from $60 to $100 each. That's a lot of money for a game that wont play in High Def! (Read our 'Sony Using Image Constraints for PS3 Games!' article) I see Sony literally ruining their current lead in the video game market with this move. One-Hundred dollars for a game! Rediculous! How far will Sony last as the leader of the video game industry with this "slap to the face, as well the wallet" move? Not very long, for sure. Then again, with all the "anti-theft/copy" features of the PS3, Sony can and will charge whatever they want.

As the interview continued, Kaz gets more apprehensive. When asked, he could not state what games will be available for the PS3 launch. This is proof Sony are still having problems with video game development. It is just four months away from launch, and they have no clue what will be available. Ace! I suspect Sony wont release any games at the launch by design so they can push their "Blu-ray" high-definition movie disc player. Sony are battling with HD-DVD to gain the foothold in the High Def video movie disc market. When the PS2 was released, ten times more DVDs were purchased for the PS2 than PS2 video games. Sony no doubt sees this as a great way to push the Blu-ray in to the market place.

No more was said that was worth reporting. Sony lets it be known that they don't appreciate having their business plans copied, yet stealing others' ideas like motion sensing controllers or online features is just normal business practices. Hey, Sony! "Takes one to know one!"

The amount of negative news about the PS3 is very high. Though everyone can't wait for the final result.

 

[LaBounti]

The PS2's release did have a big impact on DVD sales. But DVD's had been on the market for a few years before PS2 came out. This time around it may get a slower start simply becasue blu-ray is for HDTV owners, unless they release 480p TV series on a sinlge BD-Rom blu ray is meaningless to SDTV owners.

What a cheap shot Solid you know they did not steal the motion sensing idea, they used it. Who was the first to offer dual analogue sticks? Its now a standard. Sony set the standard that every console will use untill the apocalypse. They are not saying anyone copied them. An online service is needed just like dual analogue sticks. its a practicality not a copy.

Edit:

Wow looks like Nintendo is the one doing the copying if that is the case, notice the ceter button besides the Sony style(not offset like Xbox)dual analogue.
http://cache.kotaku.com/images/2006/05/wii_standard_controller.jpg

 

[LaBounti]

The amount of negative news about the PS3 is very high. Though everyone can't wait for the final result.

What negative news have you read that are facts?

 

[slackbladder]

They are some really dodgy articles being posted there!

Then again, with all the "anti-theft/copy" features of the PS3, Sony can and will charge whatever they want.

"Anti-theft/copy" features? Huh? What the now discredited rumour that all PS3 games would be locked to a specific console? Whoever wrote that article should be hit round the head repeatedly with a dead cat.
Solid, which site was it from?

 

[Solid Lifters]

They are some really dodgy articles being posted there! "Anti-theft/copy" features? Huh? What the now discredited rumour that all PS3 games would be locked to a specific console? Whoever wrote that article should be hit round the head repeatedly with a dead cat.
Solid, which site was it from?

Can't remember. It was a Google email, "copy and paste" aritcle. I didn't pay attention to the website 'cause it sounds like a bad place to visit.

I thougt it was good for a laugh.

 

[tha_con]

It's funny to me, because MS did take a lot of ideas and direction from what Sony said prior to the release of the PS2.

Fully interactive online Network? Check. (E3 1998?)
PS2 With HDD? Check. (E3 1998 and 1999)
Muli-SKU? Check. (PS2 and PSX)
Movie Playback? Check.


I mean...Sony DID have the ideas, they just sucked really bad at putting them into place.

 

[Solid Lifters]

It's funny to me, because MS did take a lot of ideas and direction from what Sony said prior to the release of the PS2.

Fully interactive online Network? Check. (E3 1998?)
PS2 With HDD? Check. (E3 1998 and 1999)
Muli-SKU? Check. (PS2 and PSX)
Movie Playback? Check.


I mean...Sony DID have the ideas, they just sucked really bad at putting them into place.

That bragging speech they made at E3 1998 was not a good move. That's the whole reason why Micro Soft entered the video game console market in the first place.

They saw the potential Sony had to steal the home PC market from under their nose, and they weren't going to have any of it.

 

[Mr Deap]

What negative news have you read that are facts?

Most of them are rumors, but so far they mostly end up to facts.

 

[Tenacious D]

Yeah.... like a DVD blank disc costing astronomically less than a recordable Blu-ray disc?

I will have to add that I checked out one of your videos. The R34 Nurb test was kind of... well, it was okay, but the game wasn't matching up with the real Skyline test driver and speedometer very well, and the background blur was lame. If you were trying to show how realistic Enthusia is, you might want to redo that. I think it's the same deal with a PGR3 video I saw. They were taking the course at about the same rate as the real life car, but I was really surprised at how slowly the backgrounds were passing in Project Gotham compared to the real driving video. Strange.

The video I saved of a full Nurburgring course race matched the GT4 video almost EXACTLY. The backgrounds matched almost perfectly. It was eerie.

You Enthusia worshippers are a funny breed.

 

[Niels]

The PS2 was more powerful than the PS1 and still had amazing games with amazing graphics with amazing storys. You're idea is already thrown out in the cold and left for dead. With evolution comes pretty games, but the minds behind them stay the same.

What's your point here, just trying to say that people should not base their ideas on power of the console.

For example if you went out to buy a PS1 and if you got dragged into the Playstation world then all your gaming life you were buying sequals and sequals and GTA 3 SA GT3 and GT4 and blablabla etc etc etc.

I know that for example Mariokart is for many a timeless game that will keep entertained, and you can play it against a friend it's just very basic but it will never get old.
It's a totally different gaming world, it's more focussed on your life, like...you can play it with friends, you dont hang out too much on the internet with it or stuff it's just a completely random game that is perfect for...when you want to play a game. All the PS3 is going to focuss on is graphics, it's the only thing I've seen untill now. Sure it can be overwhelming but I hope everyone here can imagine that you can get used to graphics in no time.

It's just a scenario, and I agree that the PS2 introduced alot of amazing games but I think only since last year the general gaming attention has switched too much to graphics. Only thing www.ign.com and www.gamespot.com and stuff are talking about are graphics. If the game looks good they get a good overall rating and that will make people buy the game.

 

[Swift]

What's your point here, just trying to say that people should not base their ideas on power of the console.

For example if you went out to buy a PS1 and if you got dragged into the Playstation world then all your gaming life you were buying sequals and sequals and GTA 3 SA GT3 and GT4 and blablabla etc etc etc.

I know that for example Mariokart is for many a timeless game that will keep entertained, and you can play it against a friend it's just very basic but it will never get old.
It's a totally different gaming world, it's more focussed on your life, like...you can play it with friends, you dont hang out too much on the internet with it or stuff it's just a completely random game that is perfect for...when you want to play a game. All the PS3 is going to focuss on is graphics, it's the only thing I've seen untill now. Sure it can be overwhelming but I hope everyone here can imagine that you can get used to graphics in no time.

It's just a scenario, and I agree that the PS2 introduced alot of amazing games but I think only since last year the general gaming attention has switched too much to graphics. Only thing www.ign.com and www.gamespot.com and stuff are talking about are graphics. If the game looks good they get a good overall rating and that will make people buy the game.

Umm...that's all ANYONE talks about at the release of the console. That's all anyone was talking about when the PS1 came out. "HOw many polys per second? What kind of textures can it handle?" etc...

Granted, graphics alone do NOT make a game. Look at "One" for the PS1. It looked great, but was almost unplayable.

What the heck is wrong with sequels? All the MAJOR games on the Gamecube were sequels. Mario, Zelda, Metroid so what was your point in mentioning that?

 

[tha_con]

What's your point here, just trying to say that people should not base their ideas on power of the console.

For example if you went out to buy a PS1 and if you got dragged into the Playstation world then all your gaming life you were buying sequals and sequals and GTA 3 SA GT3 and GT4 and blablabla etc etc etc.

I know that for example Mariokart is for many a timeless game that will keep entertained, and you can play it against a friend it's just very basic but it will never get old.
It's a totally different gaming world, it's more focussed on your life, like...you can play it with friends, you dont hang out too much on the internet with it or stuff it's just a completely random game that is perfect for...when you want to play a game. All the PS3 is going to focuss on is graphics, it's the only thing I've seen untill now. Sure it can be overwhelming but I hope everyone here can imagine that you can get used to graphics in no time.

It's just a scenario, and I agree that the PS2 introduced alot of amazing games but I think only since last year the general gaming attention has switched too much to graphics. Only thing www.ign.com and www.gamespot.com and stuff are talking about are graphics. If the game looks good they get a good overall rating and that will make people buy the game.

Oh okay, so in otherwords you would like me to prove you wrong?

I suppose that you wouldn't consider Katamari Damacy a "pick up and play game" when you want to play a game (emphasis on the italics).

Look, your entire arguement is flawed and based off of nothing more than your personal opinion. You talk about sequels, and then you talk about how mario kart is enjoyable? LMFAO.

Sure, I'm not going to disagree that MK is a freaking awesome title, I play it to DEATH. But let's face the music here son, Do you know how many mario kart titles there are?

5.

Do you know how many of them are drastically different from any other?

1.

That's it. In fact, for the most part, all MK usually get's is a graphic upgrade and then maybe a new weapon, LOL. So you fail with that part of your arguement.

What MY point is, is that no one is basing their "choice" on power, I'm using games to judge what I want.

The Wii will be a fun console, but I won't play it much, not using the damn remote. I'll use the shell (traditional controller) 99% of the time.

But fact is fact, and the PS3 just has a lot more titles that I want, with better sound, HD, and more immersion in the "in-game" experience.

 

[slackbladder]

Peoples experiance with consoles has an impact on the choices they make.
Nintendo have not featured in my thinking simply because I've never played or used a Nintendo product. This means my thinking is also affected by experiance.
In my experiance the games I have played on PS1 and PS2, and to a lesser extent Xbox, are what I like and what I want. I think the same goes for most people. You get what you know.
So, like tha_con says, the PS3 has the titles I want. Graphical capabilities don't come into the equasion. Nor does it for the vast majority of console owners. If it were simply about graphics then the Xbox would have sold at least as many as the PS2 instead of less than half the number. (I've never really believed that being a year after the PS2 doomed the Xbox, though it didn't help).
There's more to console ownership than "polys" and "shaders" (or whatever the recent buzzword for next-gen graphics is).
Content is king. And for many the PlayStation brand has all the content they need.

 

[Tenacious D]

All the PS3 is going to focuss on is graphics, it's the only thing I've seen untill now. Sure it can be overwhelming but I hope everyone here can imagine that you can get used to graphics in no time.

Hrm. If the PS3 only had third rate developers making games for it, I'd agree with you. But I think you're just getting some odd notion or other and throwing it out here without thinking it through.

Are you implying that Capcom, Konami, Naughty Dog, SCE, Polyphony, Sega and Sonic Team are so fascinated by hi def lighting and stratospheric poly counts that they will suddenly forget how to make great games?

I think not.

Gah, missed Slackbladder's and the other's posts above. Dittos. Sony for better or worse has become the king of content.

Well, one more edit. I may be a Playstation fanboy, but I don't want Sony to monopolize the gaming market, and I don't think they will. I do think that Nintendo will gobble up the market very well with the Wii initially, but eventually Sony will return to about 50% marketshare. Even then, this should work out all right for everyone as Microsoft will remain hungry, forced to insist on A List titles, as well as Nintendo, and we'll all be happy.

 

[LaBounti]

it's the only thing I've seen untill now

So has 99% of gamers. Not one game is complete and only TGS remains for a near finished product. Most PS3 E3 game demos were made for the event and may not reflect the final product.

Virtua Tennis and Virtua Fighter 5 will be far more than graphics.

 

[KENJIusa]

Nomura and Kojima Talk PS3
June 29, 2006 - We've seen the PlayStation 3 likened to a number of things in comparison to its competition (from expensive cars to fancy restaurants or dinners), but when speaking to Japan's Ge-Maga, Metal Gear Solid 4 producer/ director Hideo Kojima added a new comparison as he likened the PS3 to a movie theater experience as opposed to the DVD-like experience of the Xbox 360 and the television-like experience of the Wii.

"I had an interview at E3, and I responded like this," said Kojima. "The PS3 is a movie theater. You pay 1,800 yen and view a movie with great sound and a huge image. These aren't movies that are remade directly from television, but video that's been made for the movies and everyone comes in wanting that. Xbox 360 is watching a DVD at home. It's for people who want to watch a movie, but anything is okay. The Wii is a television program. You turn on the television, and you can watch soccer or watch a variety show -- enjoy a program lightly."
Kojima's comments were made as part of a group interview that also featured MGS4 art director Yoji Shinkawa and Square Enix superstar Tetsuya Nomura. The three were asked to share their opinion on the PS3 following E3.

Based on his comments with Ge-Maga, Kojima seems to be highly favorable of Sony's strategy. "If you think about the future of the industry and game creators, I get the feeling that the winner had better be the movie theater -- or, the PS3. No one will say that the price is cheap. However, the PS3 is 'the future.' The Wii is interesting, but in terms of functions, it's a machine with past concepts."

Kojima has also been one of the strongest supporters of the Wii's new control system. In this latest interview, he added, "The best thing would be a PS3 with controls like the Wii."

Kojima expressed some disappointment with the PS3's controller, stating, "It's unfortunate that the controller's rumble functionality has been lost." Responding to this, Nomura suggested that perhaps the rumble will be added in the future, with Kojima suggesting that if the rumble was, as Sony claims, removed due to interference from the built-in motion sensor, it would be best to include a button to switch between rumble and motion sensing.

Nomura had something to say about the PS3's price as well. "Right now, as a game machine, it's too expensive. If the hard disk and Blu-ray spread, in line with that, the situation for the PS3 will change in one to two years. At the present, it's definitely too expensive, but I believe that when the games are there, it will change naturally." He also expressed belief that, at the time of Final Fantasy's release, the price will be cheaper.
"Thinking two to three years from now, the PS3 will be the most appropriate," said Nomura. "We feel that when the games that we're making are released, the PS3 will be strong in the market."

Kojima seems to feel that the PS3 is needed for the industry to progress. "If the evolutionary roads like the PS3 are closed off, the industry will no longer grow," he said. He used the film Poseidon's Adventure as an example of the film industry's growth from low-budget to high-budget films. "Making games for the PS3 will of course cost money, but if you put a stop to that, what will happen to the game industry? Is it okay if everyone just makes variety-style games? It will become like television is now. Comedians make an appearance in a quiz-style show -- that's not culture."

The conversation became a bit more lighthearted when the subject of ZOE came up (as it did when IGN talked to Kojima last month). When asked if we'd see a sequel to the anime-themed mech game, Kojima said, "We'd like to make a sequel, but there aren't any people [to make it]. Ah, I've decided now. Nomura will do the characters and Shinkawa will do the mechs."

This lead to talk about collaborations, which of course, lead to talk of Solid Snake's appearance in the Wii version of Smash Brothers: "That was very surprising," said Nomura. "Cloud won't make an appearance?" asked Kojima. "We didn't get an offer," responded Nomura with a laugh.
IGN

 

[Dave A]

Kojima makes a good point, if no one really pushes the boundaries of performance and meda ever, regardless of cost, how much longer will it take to progress. You have to have something that just says I'm this good, I may be expensive but I'm worth it, because it pushes things forward more. I like the XB360, I enjoy my one but it's not a big step up from playing on my PS2, the graphics are great but the games play the same, feel the same ect.

 

[slackbladder]

Kojima expressed some disappointment with the PS3's controller, stating, "It's unfortunate that the controller's rumble functionality has been lost." Responding to this, Nomura suggested that perhaps the rumble will be added in the future, with Kojima suggesting that if the rumble was, as Sony claims, removed due to interference from the built-in motion sensor, it would be best to include a button to switch between rumble and motion sensing.

That's exactly what I thought! Only Sony won't pay for the haptic technology so it's a pipe dream...

Kojima makes a good point, if no one really pushes the boundaries of performance and meda ever, regardless of cost, how much longer will it take to progress. You have to have something that just says I'm this good, I may be expensive but I'm worth it, because it pushes things forward more. I like the XB360, I enjoy my one but it's not a big step up from playing on my PS2, the graphics are great but the games play the same, feel the same ect.

Agreed. Not certain if the PS3 will initally deliver the true next-gen gaming world, but the 360 hasn't. At least not yet. All the games I've played on it could've been made on current gen consoles, save for the graphics. But it may not be any sooner for the PS3, either (though the tilt controllers are kinda' nexgen...perhaps).

 

[Tenacious D]

I think the main problem for the 360 is that developers seem to be playing it safe. I'm just guessing, but it seems that a triple core CPU console with that much horsepower should be capable of a lot. It just seems like the developers are trying to make some hard cash the easy way.

And with PS3, it's the opposite. It seems to me that the Japanese developers freaked out and declared almost universally, "Now we can create universes we've only dreamed of! Let's do it! Whatever you can imagine, try and create it!" Admittedly, the raw power of the PS3 seems a quantum jump over the 360, but the 360 is no slouch.

I think it'll just take the American and Euro developers seeing what the Japanese developers envision for the PS3 to show them the way. Until then, we'll see games kind of like Gears of War, which is everything you could imagine in a first person shooter. Games like Warhawk, Sonic, Naughty Dog's Indiana Jones-like epic and Metal Gear Solid 4 will have to wait a generation. I really think that the 360 is capable of being that theater too, if only a mini-theater.

 

[tha_con]

^^^ Gears of war is a 3rd Person Shooter