PS3 General Discussion

[Sprite]

a6m5 the PS3 will more than likly sell out on launch no matter what the cost, and as soon as the stock is flowing they will continue to sell, and once certin games come to the front like MGS4 and GT5 shadow of colossus 2 (yes I read about the fake site) and all manner of really great games they will be flying out of the door, no matter what analysts and rumor spreading sites like IGN and company say, PS3 will not be a flop, it just may not be the success that Sony would be hopeing for.

 

[Mr Deap]

So who exactly is there to say that the PS3 won't feature things similar to this? Certinaly not you.

Sony focus for the BluRay. Also the launch lineup won't really help to make a worldwide competition.

By the way, there are several other tournaments of PGR3 in the US & Canada that feature money as prize after the Worldwide Tournament.

 

[kikie]

Playstation will sell(Just not as many as the PS1 or 2).

Why do you think it won't sell as many as the previous PS versions??? Maybe not in the beginning but once the price starts to drop, GT5 is released, the PS3 will sell!! (My humble opinion) .

 

[Tevshaun]

lol nice for the backward compatibiliy. means that i can still use my dfp. 👍

i dont think we can use dfps anymore.... it uses backward compatablity for games i dunno about the controllers... all the controllers use either usb or bluetooth.....

 

[Jedi2016]

i dont think we can use dfps anymore.... it uses backward compatablity for games i dunno about the controllers... all the controllers use either usb or bluetooth.....

Um.. the DFP is a USB controller.

 

[tha_con]

Sneak peek Call Of Duty 3 gameplay ()

http://ps3focus.nl/sitee/nieuws/bekijk.php?id=2038&cat=catps3

 

[LaBounti]

Wow, the first post E3 PS3 footage besides War Hawk. I wish i could care for WW2 games......

 

[slackbladder]

Sneak peek Call Of Duty 3 gameplay ()

http://ps3focus.nl/sitee/nieuws/bekijk.php?id=2038&cat=catps3

Now you can kill up close, judging by the end of the video.
It does look better visually then CoD2, and I hope the game is an improvement too. I did enjoy CoD2 but felt it was a little too average.
One thing though, why do so many FPS games have you running around with your weapon sticking out at arms length all the time? When you walk close to a wall the perspective goes all wrong when you're holding a weapon as it essentially goes through the wall/door. It would be nice if they changed that and made it more realistic if realism is what they're after.

Wow, the first post E3 PS3 footage besides War Hawk. I wish i could care for WW2 games......

Yeah I often feel the same but once I play them I usually enjoy them regardless.

 

[a6m5]

a6m5 the PS3 will more than likly sell out on launch no matter what the cost, and as soon as the stock is flowing they will continue to sell, and once certin games come to the front like MGS4 and GT5 shadow of colossus 2 (yes I read about the fake site) and all manner of really great games they will be flying out of the door, no matter what analysts and rumor spreading sites like IGN and company say, PS3 will not be a flop, it just may not be the success that Sony would be hopeing for.

Yeah, like I said, I doubt it will flop. Also, I agree that PS3 will be sold out as soon as it is launched. No doubt about it. It's being released during the Holiday season. People paid over $1,000 at launch for PS2, over $800 even weeks after the launch, so $600 for PS3 is nothing.

kikie: You could very well be right. Reasoning for my opinion is the stronger competition from other gaming companies this time around........ well, except maybe Xbox 360. I thought that machine would be taking off by now, but it seems that it's not gaining much momentum. Anyways, that combined with the high price of PS3 would prevent the sale numbers of PS3 to reach that of PS1 and 2, at least in the same time-frame. With couple of huge markets like India and China opening up though, anything's possible, I suppose.

 

[tha_con]

Ladies and gentleman, pop culture alone will be cause for success for the PS3.

Rock stars and rappers will adorn them in their cribs, plastered on MTV as the latest and greatest in video game technology.

Movie goers will see them in the latest blockbuster releases as actors mimick playing on them.

TV Shows.

High school children and the like will wish to emulate this, save, beg, nickle and dime their way to a new PS3. Like it or not, high price or not, the PS3 is going to sell just because that is how american culture is. We say it's expensive now, but just wait.

Do you think Escalades and Navigators sell well because they are effecient well built vehicles? 22" rims? No, this is our high spending pop culture at work, we want the best, price is not a factor.

 

[a6m5]

price is not a factor.

But it is. Low priced items are affordable to everybody. High priced items are not affordable to some of the poor. It is most definitely a factor.

When I say that I don't think the sale will not reach the level of PS1 and PS2, I am not saying that it will flop. Let me make that clear. I am simply saying that gaming console that costs up to 200% of the older generations will not sell as much as the two other record-selling consoles.

Edit:
My bad, I just re-read your post. Yes, price is not factor to some. I was talking about price being a factor in amount of units that Sony can move.

 

[tha_con]

But it is. Low priced items are affordable to everybody. High priced items are not affordable to some of the poor. It is most definitely a factor.

When I say that I don't think the sale will not reach the level of PS1 and PS2, I am not saying that it will flop. Let me make that clear. I am simply saying that gaming console that costs up to 200% of the older generations will not sell as much as the two other record-selling consoles.

Edit:
My bad, I just re-read your post. Yes, price is not factor to some. I was talking about price being a factor in amount of units that Sony can move.

The deciding factor in my opinion is the success of the X-Box, which in comparison to the PS2, sold at a premium price in almost all territories.

Yet it still managed to gain a large market share.

Now take that mentality of the user base who purchased the X-Box, simply for the reason that it was in fact more powerful than the PS2, and think of *why* they bought it. Because it was the best.

Fact is, Playstation already has an established user base, most of whom started playing Playstation around 11-13 years of age, and are now 21-23 years of age. Others are around 25-27. These people will save money and buy them. It's just how our economy works. If companies can push a hundred thousand escalades worth $55K, I know for a fact that Sony can push a $600 multi-media center. And the price, is not going to be a deciding factor what so ever. Gamers may complain now, but believe me, they will buy it.

 

[a6m5]

The deciding factor in my opinion is the success of the X-Box, which in comparison to the PS2, sold at a premium price in almost all territories.

Yet it still managed to gain a large market share.

Now take that mentality of the user base who purchased the X-Box, simply for the reason that it was in fact more powerful than the PS2, and think of *why* they bought it. Because it was the best.

You are right, but again, I'm not doubting it will sell. And Xbox sold nowhere near the PS1 or 2 either, which I'm comparing the numbers with.

Fact is, Playstation already has an established user base, most of whom started playing Playstation around 11-13 years of age, and are now 21-23 years of age. Others are around 25-27. These people will save money and buy them. It's just how our economy works. If companies can push a hundred thousand escalades worth $55K, I know for a fact that Sony can push a $600 multi-media center. And the price, is not going to be a deciding factor what so ever. Gamers may complain now, but believe me, they will buy it.

You definitely have a good point there, but I think my point about the pricing and competition is a very good one as well. I think we'll have to see in 4, 5 years and see if PS3 actually reaches the numbers set by its' predecessors.

 

[tha_con]

You are right, but again, I'm not doubting it will sell. And Xbox sold nowhere near the PS1 or 2 either, which I'm comparing the numbers with.


You definitely have a good point there, but I think my point about the pricing and competition is a very good one as well. I think we'll have to see in 4, 5 years and see if PS3 actually reaches the numbers set by its' predecessors.

We're both right, I'm just a stubborn soul You're right though, we'll find out in 4-5 years, but I definately think that the PS3 will be the console that breaks the price range mold.

 

[GT Pro]

November 17th = PS3 launch in PAL region.
$829 = 20GB Model ($799 when it hits the main market.)
$999 = 60GB Model (With HDMI input.)

I think I'm going to have to go with the 60GB Model.

Who of you is going to buy the 20GB model instead?

 

[Sprite]

November 17th = PS3 launch in PAL region.
$829 = 20GB Model ($799 when it hits the main market.)
$999 = 60GB Model (With HDMI input.)

I think I'm going to have to go with the 60GB Model.

Who of you is going to buy the 20GB model instead?

Yeh a 1000 Aus dollors is a lot, I read that 1000$ is about the average wage for a month over in oz, so it works out to be quite expensive.

 

[GT Pro]

Yeh a 1000 Aus dollors is a lot, I read that 1000$ is about the average wage for a month over in oz, so it works out to be quite expensive.

$1000 a month?

I think you might of misread something. A lot of people, my Dad for one makes an average earning, which is about $3500-$6000 a week.

Thought that might help you there:tup:

 

[El Gigante]

1000 Australian Dollars is about £400, so i think GT Pro is right.

 

[Sprite]

ok guys I was sifting through the net today and came upon a very tech site for the CELL, lead by developers and other personel using CELL.

LINK

Im sure allot of you wont be interested as its a bit on the heavy side (no pretty pictures or statments like "ohh its way faster than your dads car") but have a look anyway.

1000 a month?

I think you might of misread something. A lot of people, my Dad for one makes an average earning, which is about $3500-$6000 a week.

Thought that might help you there

lol sorry I guess I must have miss-read something ha ha ha. lol

just checked on oanda for the FX converter and if someone earns $6,000 AUD they would be earning £2,414 per week, lol thats allot of cash even $3,500 AUD is £1,408 thats still way above average for the UK, most people earn maybe that in a month not a week.

 

[Niels]

Oh okay, so in otherwords you would like me to prove you wrong?

I suppose that you wouldn't consider Katamari Damacy a "pick up and play game" when you want to play a game (emphasis on the italics).

Look, your entire arguement is flawed and based off of nothing more than your personal opinion. You talk about sequels, and then you talk about how mario kart is enjoyable? LMFAO.

Sure, I'm not going to disagree that MK is a freaking awesome title, I play it to DEATH. But let's face the music here son, Do you know how many mario kart titles there are?

5.

Do you know how many of them are drastically different from any other?

1.

That's it. In fact, for the most part, all MK usually get's is a graphic upgrade and then maybe a new weapon, LOL. So you fail with that part of your arguement.

What MY point is, is that no one is basing their "choice" on power, I'm using games to judge what I want.

The Wii will be a fun console, but I won't play it much, not using the damn remote. I'll use the shell (traditional controller) 99% of the time.

But fact is fact, and the PS3 just has a lot more titles that I want, with better sound, HD, and more immersion in the "in-game" experience.

That was my point actually, does Mariokart have any storyline or something like that? If you had 5 version of MGS you would immediatly go out and buy them all if you liked one game. You would just follow the story as it develops, at least it's meant to be like that.
Mariokart for example is much more independant, and you can buy just one version of mariokart and it will never get old anymore.

I dont see how this is an arguement, it's something you just have to face. You need to buy the console that fits with you, and fits your style, dont feel forced to buy the PS3 just because it's more powerfull. I am sure there are people that would get more fun out of a Nintendo Wii even though it's got less power.

Well doesn't that sound obvious? It does, but you can forget this all if you go talking about graphics and graphical power of the consoles like ALL the time.

Edit: and I'm completely supporting your point of this...soo....uhm...

Oh okay, so in otherwords you would like me to prove you wrong?

Things dont always work that way m8.

 

[Solid Lifters]

PlayStation 3 Will Get Sony On Third Place

Although it's not really a surprise, a recent report from DFC Intelligence might be a cold shower for Sony execs. According to the study, Sony is in for a rocky ride.

In fact, the titles says it all: "Could Sony Go From First to Worst'".

"Suffice to say events of the past six months have forced us to overhaul our models like never before. It now appears clear that this new generation of console systems is going to result in a big shake-up in the game industry power structure. While it has always been clear that Sony's dominant market share was destined to decline, there now appears to be the distinct possibility the PlayStation 3 could end up third in market share behind both the Xbox 360 and Nintendo Wii."

The main argument would be that Sony has changed its target. While the PlayStation 2 was focused on the average user, the next-gen console is aimed at the high end electronics consumer. The PlayStation 3 is an expensive gadget ($599) and the games designed for it will not be cheap either. Therefore, Sony is actually losing potential customers instead of gaining them.

Furthermore, such a price policy won't do Sony any good in the long run. With cheaper alternative platforms now at hand, the PlayStation 3 could be become the kind of device people would think about buying only when a serious price cut would occur.

Add to that the fact that Sony's exclusive library of games for the PlayStation 3 is diminishing and you have all the info required to do a grim forecast:

"Our concern is that 1) Sony?s hands may be tied in regard to price cuts and 2) Sony drastically underestimated the competition. The price of the PlayStation 3 does not exist in a vacuum and consumers will clearly look at the competitive alternatives. Right now both the Xbox 360 and Nintendo Wii are looking like much better alternatives than they did a year ago. Core PlayStation franchises like Grand Theft Auto, Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest and others are starting to appear on other systems. In short, we have seen absolutely nothing that would justify a $200 price difference."

http://news.portalit.net/fullnews_PlayStation-3-Will-Get-Sony-On-Third-Place_1749.html

 

[LaBounti]

Whats the point Solid? Why post rubish? PS2 wasnt aimed at any particular gaming demographic. Its the people who buy the games that make them popular. Sony pretty much ok's any peice of software that wants to be put out. Its Microsoft and Nintendo who dissaprove of games being released on the system.

Ps2 was $100 more than Dreamcast and sold out everywhere. Ps3 does have a $500 model everyone ignores. Look at what you get for $500:

Blu-ray movie player
20GB interenal HDD standard
Blue tooth
Wireless motion sensing controller
Web Browser
Free onilne play
downloadable Ps1 library
Linux OS(not definite i think)

The $600 version is for the HDMI owners, the media savvy folks and the TV's are not for everyone so neither is the $600 system. The media and the analysts only see the $600 one as an option. Gamers who opted for the $400 360 will be the same ones/types who opt for the $500 ps3. Its more for the money. The Core 360 runs in limited stock and buying that is less cost efficient than the $500 PS3. No HDD, no way to download content, wired controller, forced to buy a Memory card or shell out $100 for a 20GB(13GB)HDD. Its still a mystery weather ps3 comes with HD cables or not.

These so called analyst are not getting the big picture. The PS3 will sell strong when it comes out. Like tha_con said earlier PS3 may get the royal MTV treatment

In short, we have seen absolutely nothing that would justify a $200 price difference."

Retards..... there are two versions and the one thats $100 less has about $200+ worth of stuff. 1080p video playback?

 

[Solid Lifters]

Whats the point Solid? Why post rubish?

It's good for a laugh.

Retards...

Yeah, pretty much...

 

[Maven]

So the only thing people have to complain about the PS3 is the price?

 

[GT Pro]

just checked on oanda for the FX converter and if someone earns $6,000 AUD they would be earning £2,414 per week, lol thats allot of cash even $3,500 AUD is £1,408 thats still way above average for the UK, most people earn maybe that in a month not a week.

OK, Maybe it's above average lol.

 

[Dave A]

Maybe you already knew that.

 

[DuckRacer]

PlayStation 3 Will Get Sony On Third Place...

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I agree and disagree at the same time. While some of the best PlayStation exclusives are becoming multi-platform now, there's still a lot of great exclusive franchises on the PS3. Gran Turismo, Metal Gear Solid, and more. If people like me aren't buying it because of the great exclusives, they'll buy it because, well, it's the best. Even if it's $500, people will wait a bit until it's $400, then they'll buy it. So, it'll sell well, regardless of the price.

But I also agree with the part that people will look at alternatives. Most people have two consoles, to get a wide variety of games and fun. When the average consumer, who is generally not informed well, sees the $300 price tag of the 360, next to the $500 tag of the PS3, they'll be more inclined to buy the 360, even though it is really inferior to the PS3.

 

[Sprite]

I agree that allot of attention will go to the Wii this time around because Nintendo are selling DS lite like crazy over in the land of the rising sun.

here are the sales of consoles in Japan for June 13 to the 25th
- DS Lite: 157,022 sales are up by 15,535 (10.98%)
- PS2: 25,467 sales are up by 4,730 (22.81%)
- PSP: 24,737 sales are up by 84 (0.34%)
- DS: 10,132 sales are down by 12,616 (55.46%)
- GBA SP: 3,784 sales are down by 858 (18.48%)
- Game Boy Micro: 1,502 sales are up by 208 (16.07%)
- Gamecube: 1,197 sales are up by 195 (19.46%)
- Xbox 360: 1,169 sales are down by 238 (16.92%)
- GBA: 25 sales are up by 5 (25.00%)
- Xbox: 10 sales are down by 5 (33.33%)

As you can see the 360 and old x-box are in the bottom 3 along with the old style GBA, even the gamecube was selling more than the 360 that definatly says something, I dont think people actually reconise what a total flop the 360 is even compared to its predecessor, people wont look to the 360 more than the PS3 as they will be looking for the Wii. The PS3 will ocupie a different market compared to the PS1 & 2, people who will want the PS3 (apart from the hardcore fans) are people who want the console for doing everything on it instead of a PC, tech savvy people and people with lots of spare cash.

The PS3 will sell over in Japan and with that allot of gamers from all the other regions of the fare planet will do the same, then the main target for PS3 will see what can be done, and then some time down the line say 4-6 months it will rocket in sales and beome the monster that Sony is hoping for, the Wii will be left to hardcore gamers and people who cant afford to buy the PS3 while its still pricy.

Also I think that the average age for the PS3 gamer wil go up, and the average age for the 360 will go down if not by much, the Wii will have the audance of the GC and will atract a few more, maybe gaining some older players who want to play the party games while **** faced at their friends houses. I personally beleive that there is room for all three this time around as they are all coming and going to different places in the market.

 

[Solid Lifters]

Sony Denies 150,000 PlayStation 3 Units Rumor

A new PlayStation 3 rumor raised its head yesterday, when several sites reported that Sony plans to ship around 150,000 units in the United Kingdom. Today Sony official stepped forward and flatly denied such speculations:

According to GamesIndustry.biz, a Sony spokesperson stated: "We have yet to confirm allocation for the UK territory. We're on target to ship 2 million units globally at launch and 6 million units by end of fiscal year."

Considering the fact that the UK is an important market for Sony, chances are that 150,000 will be the minimum number of units hitting the shelves on November 17.

At present time Sony only confirmed it would ship the 60GB PlayStation 3 model, priced at £425. As for the cheaper 20GB PlayStation 3 model, the company remained silent.

Apparently, rumors originated from an article published in the Official PlayStation Magazine. However, magazine representatives claim the 150,000 figure was based on analysts' estimates and not on information provided by Sony.

http://news.portalit.net/fullnews_Sony-Denies-150,000-PlayStation-3-Units-Rumor_1762.html

 

[KENJIusa]

Yep, Even these angels can't help the 360 in Japan,