PS3 General Discussion
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Well, I'm assuming that Hideo Kojima was talking about horsepower, not disc space available. 
I will have to go dig up some info sometime to see just how big the XBox and 360 games are on those DVDs. I'm something of an info junkie.
I will have to go dig up some info sometime to see just how big the XBox and 360 games are on those DVDs. I'm something of an info junkie.
Yikes, I thought I saw some first person footage at E3... maybe that was just a cut scene...tha_con^^^ Gears of war is a 3rd Person Shooter
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Playstation 3 games could be more expensive than Xbox 360 games
Sony Playstation 3 is turning out to be an expensive deal for both Sony and the targeted gamers around the world. The console is already confirmed to be a whole lot more expensive than the Microsoft Xbox 360 gaming machine and now Sony has hinted that the gaming media too could be pricey.
Kaz Hirai, president of Sony Computer Entertainment America said in a statement during a recent interview with US consumer magazine PSM: Generally speaking, over the past twelve years or so, there has been a consumer expectation that disc based games are maybe US$ 59 on the high end to US$ 39 on the low end.
He further added: So, what I can say now is, I think it would be a bit of a stretch to think that we could suddenly turn around and say PS3 games now US$ 99.99.
Hirai said: If it becomes a bit higher than US$ 59, dont ding me, but, again, I dont expect it to be US$ 100.
He also went on to say that the company is working hard on making sure that the console is as affordable as possible for the end consumer.
Sony Playstation 3 is turning out to be an expensive deal for both Sony and the targeted gamers around the world. The console is already confirmed to be a whole lot more expensive than the Microsoft Xbox 360 gaming machine and now Sony has hinted that the gaming media too could be pricey.
Kaz Hirai, president of Sony Computer Entertainment America said in a statement during a recent interview with US consumer magazine PSM: Generally speaking, over the past twelve years or so, there has been a consumer expectation that disc based games are maybe US$ 59 on the high end to US$ 39 on the low end.
He further added: So, what I can say now is, I think it would be a bit of a stretch to think that we could suddenly turn around and say PS3 games now US$ 99.99.
Hirai said: If it becomes a bit higher than US$ 59, dont ding me, but, again, I dont expect it to be US$ 100.
He also went on to say that the company is working hard on making sure that the console is as affordable as possible for the end consumer.
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It's funny how there's so much talk about the future price of PS3 games, $40 to $100, yet it's still just speculation. Even Kaz said it himself in all these articles, he still doesn't know what the real prices will be. Notice he uses words like "think" and "maybe" and "if."
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Well, would Hirai set the retail price for the games? No. So he does'nt know.
This is the problem Sony have. There is too much speculation going on, and all of it negative. Negative because Sony is No1 and the only place to go is down. There's nothing that can be done about it until hard facts are public knowledge.
This is the problem Sony have. There is too much speculation going on, and all of it negative. Negative because Sony is No1 and the only place to go is down. There's nothing that can be done about it until hard facts are public knowledge.
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Aren't you just reposting old news, Solid??
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SEGA Talks VF5 PS3
June 30, 2006 - One of SEGA's big E3 surprises was the PlayStation 3 version of Virtua Fighter 5. In the latest issue of Japan's Ge-Maga, SEGA-AM2 president Hiroshi Kataoka shared some thoughts on the home conversion of his team's latest arcade fighter. Joining him was SEGA R&D 4 Section Chief Noriyuki Shimoda, producer of the PS3 version.
VF5 was shown in arcade form at E3. "We actually wanted to show off the PS3 version," said Kataoka, "but due to some schedule problems, we were unable to."
The game is currently running in an advanced state on PS3 hardware, he revealed. Currently, the game is at a place where it can be played, but 'home specific' features are gong to be added from here on out.
One area of concern for the home version is what happens when people play on a standard 4x3 television. This apparently isn't an issue at all, according to Kataoka. "The arcade version was made to be compatible both with wide and standard monitors, so with that meaning, there's nothing to worry about." VF5 is currently on test in Japanese arcades, with all machines featuring high definition widescreen displays.
The two were asked for commentary on the PS3 itself. "My feeling is that, when considering its capabilities, it's not expensive," said Kataoka. "If that hardware was released not as PlayStation, but under the Vaio brand, and you got a Blu-Ray drive, a Cell chip and the latest NVIDIA GPU for under 100,000 yen, you'd definitely call it cheap. However, there are surely many people who buy it with the image of a game machine, and that price is pretty daring.
In response to the question of whether it would've been better for Sony to have removed the hard disk in exchange for a lower price, Shimoda said, "No, I'm very thankful that it has a hard disk. It's not the case that Blu-ray's transfer speed is fast compared to DVD, and with the increase in the data amount, we were worried about just how long load times would take. If we cache data to the hard disk, the loading time drops dramatically."
Ge-Maga asked the big question. Why PS3 only? Kataoka took this one. "There is the fact that VF4 had already been released on the PS2, but another big reason is that the Lindbergh and PS3 GPUs are both from NVIDIA, so the technical barriers are low. Also, VF5 is tuned to the limits of the Lindbergh's capabilities, so multiplatform development would have been difficult."
These two aren't picking on the PS3's competition, though. "I believe that if development is done with multiplatform in mind, there probably won't be a difference in the abilities of the PS3 and Xbox 360," said Kataoka. Giving props to the arcades, though, he added, "Recently, there have been a lot of arcade games that use special interfaces and the network, so ports have been getting harder and harder. Especially with VF5, there are many elements that can only be enjoyed in the arcade, so we're required to offer other forms of play for the home version."
Just what those home specific additions are will likely be revealed close to the September Tokyo Game Show.
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June 30, 2006 - One of SEGA's big E3 surprises was the PlayStation 3 version of Virtua Fighter 5. In the latest issue of Japan's Ge-Maga, SEGA-AM2 president Hiroshi Kataoka shared some thoughts on the home conversion of his team's latest arcade fighter. Joining him was SEGA R&D 4 Section Chief Noriyuki Shimoda, producer of the PS3 version.
VF5 was shown in arcade form at E3. "We actually wanted to show off the PS3 version," said Kataoka, "but due to some schedule problems, we were unable to."
The game is currently running in an advanced state on PS3 hardware, he revealed. Currently, the game is at a place where it can be played, but 'home specific' features are gong to be added from here on out.
One area of concern for the home version is what happens when people play on a standard 4x3 television. This apparently isn't an issue at all, according to Kataoka. "The arcade version was made to be compatible both with wide and standard monitors, so with that meaning, there's nothing to worry about." VF5 is currently on test in Japanese arcades, with all machines featuring high definition widescreen displays.
The two were asked for commentary on the PS3 itself. "My feeling is that, when considering its capabilities, it's not expensive," said Kataoka. "If that hardware was released not as PlayStation, but under the Vaio brand, and you got a Blu-Ray drive, a Cell chip and the latest NVIDIA GPU for under 100,000 yen, you'd definitely call it cheap. However, there are surely many people who buy it with the image of a game machine, and that price is pretty daring.
In response to the question of whether it would've been better for Sony to have removed the hard disk in exchange for a lower price, Shimoda said, "No, I'm very thankful that it has a hard disk. It's not the case that Blu-ray's transfer speed is fast compared to DVD, and with the increase in the data amount, we were worried about just how long load times would take. If we cache data to the hard disk, the loading time drops dramatically."
Ge-Maga asked the big question. Why PS3 only? Kataoka took this one. "There is the fact that VF4 had already been released on the PS2, but another big reason is that the Lindbergh and PS3 GPUs are both from NVIDIA, so the technical barriers are low. Also, VF5 is tuned to the limits of the Lindbergh's capabilities, so multiplatform development would have been difficult."
These two aren't picking on the PS3's competition, though. "I believe that if development is done with multiplatform in mind, there probably won't be a difference in the abilities of the PS3 and Xbox 360," said Kataoka. Giving props to the arcades, though, he added, "Recently, there have been a lot of arcade games that use special interfaces and the network, so ports have been getting harder and harder. Especially with VF5, there are many elements that can only be enjoyed in the arcade, so we're required to offer other forms of play for the home version."
Just what those home specific additions are will likely be revealed close to the September Tokyo Game Show.
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If there is a new Xbox before 2011 I won't be buying it UNLESS it is an exceptional piece of hardware. But a console has to last at least 5 years before I replace it. I still use my PS2 (though not as much) some 6 years after launch. And I can see the PS3 lasting as long if not longer.
I guess if you break the cost of the console into years then a 360 that cost £280 works out at £70 a year for 4 years (if Microsoft bring out a new console in 2009) or £56 for 5 years. A PS3 at £425 works out at £85 a year for 5 years (if Sony bring out a PS4 in 2011) or £71 for 6 years which also happens to be the current life of the PS2.
So depending on how long the console's life will be the 360 and PS3 could end up essentially costing the same!
I guess if you break the cost of the console into years then a 360 that cost £280 works out at £70 a year for 4 years (if Microsoft bring out a new console in 2009) or £56 for 5 years. A PS3 at £425 works out at £85 a year for 5 years (if Sony bring out a PS4 in 2011) or £71 for 6 years which also happens to be the current life of the PS2.
So depending on how long the console's life will be the 360 and PS3 could end up essentially costing the same!
live4speedThat is interesting yet highly flawed logic.
Not really. I've thought about it myself, especially in regards to the idea that the Microsoft consoles will probably have shorter overall lifespans compared to Sony's.
All you have to do is break down the initial cost of the machine and spread it out over the system's lifetime, thus creating an effective "operational cost".
For example.. I paid $299 for my PS2 ($300 for the sake of easy math). By the time it's replaced in November, I'll have had it for six years (yes, it's a launch unit, and still going strong). So, that computes down to $50/year to own a PS2. Not so bad at all in that light, is it?
An Xbox, on the other hand.. that one was only out for four years. So that same $300 cost is spread out over a shorter time. That's $75/year. Half again as much as the PS2 "costs", even though their launch prices were the same.
So, assuming that these next-gen consoles last the same amount of time as their predecessors, you end up with an operational cost of $100/year (Premium) and $75/year (Core) for the X360. PS3 comes out to $100/year (Premium) and $83.33/year (Core).
So while the "Core" unit 360 might be cheaper over it's life, the Premium costs the same for both Playstation and Xbox. Not so much more "expensive" anymore, is it? Especially considering the things that make it so "expensive".. like the Blu-Ray capability, Wi-Fi, etc.
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What slackbladder is saying is that it depends on how long you have the console, but ultimately the cheaper console will always be cheaper in a comparison of equal time. Now what you should be doing is calculating the costs of things like XB Live and peripherals and so on and then work it all out, because including the costs of XB Live, over a certian ammount of years and the 360 can cost more compared to the PS3 over the same time period. But then you have other things which you might not buy or might buy to include in woring out the cheapest. None of this is relating to value for money though, only outright price.
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Old news, but new quotes from Kaz.Tenacious D
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Yeah, but there's an advantage with XBOX Live. There's international competition where you can win big prize. Like the one I felt asleep during the eliminatory. I got disqualified. I was 11th in North America in Project Gotham Racing 3 for the qualification. If I would get 4th & under during the eliminatory, I would be in Italy in the last 3 weeks.
Check under leaderboard, leaderboard & North America Bracket.
Here the link (http://www.pgr3tournament.com/) where you can see me 10th in North america for the qualification.
You can always search about it on the net about it. I really doubt it's the only tournament. I bet there will be other.
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Yeah but not many people win the prize 
, and who knows if there will or won't ever be anything like that on PS3. That said, I'd love to race against somoen so high up sometime, just to see if I could still see your tail lights by the end of the race .
, and who knows if there will or won't ever be anything like that on PS3. That said, I'd love to race against somoen so high up sometime, just to see if I could still see your tail lights by the end of the race .
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I doubt many people even think about overall costs and expenses anyway. I mean in pure hardware terms the PS3 is cheap but that's not what people see. All a lot of people see is a number.
Anyway, I was simply working out the cost of a console broken down into years. I doubt anyone would ever think that way when buying a console.
But the PS3 is more future proof than the 360 and I can see it being used in homes for quite some time. It will probably remain the cheapest Blu-ray player for many years.
Anyway, I was simply working out the cost of a console broken down into years. I doubt anyone would ever think that way when buying a console.
But the PS3 is more future proof than the 360 and I can see it being used in homes for quite some time. It will probably remain the cheapest Blu-ray player for many years.
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Market analysts: Sony Playstation 3 might not dominate the market
Sony might make us believe that their upcoming Playstation 3 is not just a gaming console. They even compare it to a personal computer. However, the fact remains, the consumer would look at it as an update for the current Sony Playstation 2 gaming console, which has dominated the market for so many years and is still doing good.
The pricing of the PS3 has put so much pressure on Sony that they might falter with this upcoming console. It is more expensive than any other competitor in the market and the games for PS3 are expected to be expensive too.
And now market analysts have said that they are expecting this console to be troublesome for the company. Analyst P.J. McNealy of the American Technology Researchers said in a report: This is now the most complex box thats ever been built in this industry. Its going to have a Cell processor; its going to have a Blu-ray drive. The number of pieces that are going into this box are even more astounding.
He added: While Sony has certain manufacturing advantages at the end of the day, this is a very complex process, and theyre going to be limited to the yields that they can come up with.
Sony might make us believe that their upcoming Playstation 3 is not just a gaming console. They even compare it to a personal computer. However, the fact remains, the consumer would look at it as an update for the current Sony Playstation 2 gaming console, which has dominated the market for so many years and is still doing good.
The pricing of the PS3 has put so much pressure on Sony that they might falter with this upcoming console. It is more expensive than any other competitor in the market and the games for PS3 are expected to be expensive too.
And now market analysts have said that they are expecting this console to be troublesome for the company. Analyst P.J. McNealy of the American Technology Researchers said in a report: This is now the most complex box thats ever been built in this industry. Its going to have a Cell processor; its going to have a Blu-ray drive. The number of pieces that are going into this box are even more astounding.
He added: While Sony has certain manufacturing advantages at the end of the day, this is a very complex process, and theyre going to be limited to the yields that they can come up with.
That report means nothing. Back in the day, even the SNES was "the most advanced technology ever made" sort of thing.
At the end of the day, analysts are worthless. What does it matter, even if it's true? We'll have our game system, and to hell with anything else. It's not like the PS3 is going to doom Sony to bankruptcy or anything. It's like listening to a guy at Gamestop who says the PS3 sucks.. he's "in the industry", so he must know, right?
At the end of the day, analysts are worthless. What does it matter, even if it's true? We'll have our game system, and to hell with anything else. It's not like the PS3 is going to doom Sony to bankruptcy or anything. It's like listening to a guy at Gamestop who says the PS3 sucks.. he's "in the industry", so he must know, right?
Solid Lifters
Are you sure? The previous three quotes (before this last one) were merely different articles about him saying the exact same thing. The 'I don't believe we'll see $100 games' stuff.
I really liked the guy who then conjectured that we'll have $60-100 games exactly because of that.I think we'll need some disclaimers of where you get your quotes from now on, Solid.
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MavenAre you sure? The previous three quotes (before this last one) were merely different articles about him saying the exact same thing. The 'I don't believe we'll see $100 games' stuff.
I think we'll need some disclaimers of where you get your quotes from now on, Solid.
http://games.techwhack.com/481/sony-playstation-3-2/
http://games.techwhack.com/480/playstation-3-games/
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If $400 360's were flying off shelves the $500 Ps3 will too. And the HD savvy gamer/consumers will eat up the $600 system. $550 with 40GB HDD should have been the only option. This thing will sell out, if ebay could profit off of $1000 360s they may do the same with $1200 ps3's.
Mr DeapYeah, but there's an advantage with XBOX Live. There's international competition where you can win big prize. Like the one I felt asleep during the eliminatory. I got disqualified. I was 11th in North America in Project Gotham Racing 3 for the qualification. If I would get 4th & under during the eliminatory, I would be in Italy in the last 3 weeks.
Check under leaderboard, leaderboard & North America Bracket.
Here the link (http://www.pgr3tournament.com/) where you can see me 10th in North america for the qualification.
You can always search about it on the net about it. I really doubt it's the only tournament. I bet there will be other.
So who exactly is there to say that the PS3 won't feature things similar to this? Certinaly not you.
Duck: Yes, you will be able to save photo's off of the internet for viewing on the PS3 OS (I'd prefer to not call it the "dashboard"). This I know for a fact. Video, however, is a different subject. I would assume it would be similar to the PSP, where only video content provided in a certain codec will be viewable, and you'd be able to save it. But that I cannot say for certain.
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