Punters - Hit 'Em Back, or Not?

Retaliate to punters?

  • Yes, always.

    Votes: 20 6.0%
  • Yes, only with sufficient offense (e.g. multiple offenses)

    Votes: 184 55.6%
  • No, never.

    Votes: 127 38.4%

  • Total voters
    331
there are people on this board who think it's okay to resort to this sort of thing.

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Hmm, im guess GTPlanet members do experience normal human emotions ;)

I voted "Yes, but only", that does not mean i think it is okay, please don't confuse the two, just take it as an honest driver admitting he too sometimes 'has had' it with the punters. (Sigh, another edit: Please take it as someone that didn;t read the question quite right, if the question is philosophical rather then 'did you ever' i need to revise and change to Never.)

Ofcourse it's a double edged knife, i agree that "punting too" does not yield any results, and neither does "driving fair against punters".

There are just too many people on the internet to substanciate a paradigm-shift amongst the punters, in fact, i'm convinced that some are out there just to wreck havoc, like you have 'teamkillers' in games like battlefield etc.

We'll just need to realize that some people prefer to play the game like that.
If the game permits it, that's that.

There is only one answer and that is facilitation via the game, no need to sum the possiblities up again, we can all look to a bright and private future of fair and clean racing.

I think this thread is a really good one because re-reading some of the comments, i'm sure my "waiting time before retaliation" has doubled. (but in all honesty, i'd still need to answer B ;))

I agree with B on a 'i can't help it, after 3 times the sucker shall eat sand cause i'm only human'
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'Punting leads to more punting' when i find that rare rational moment.

(Still, i have great dreams where notorious punters are UberPunted to Uranus by an army of GTP drivers)

3S!MPN!W|MINDWISE
 
:sly:I leave them alone and usually pass them on the next straightaway.I voted no, punter's can never drive in a straight line anyway.
 
Pass em on the straights when they can't drive in a straight line... :lol: sorry kinda funny, may i ask what you do if they weave on the straight to hit/block you on it??
 
NO NEVER HIT THEM BACK! You never do that. Its wrong. End of Story.

If you do punt them back, you become exactly who they are..
 
I think the poll is too open-ended to get real answers. There is no middle-of-the-road choice between "Never" and "Yes, but only..." It seems that members, if they vote, are forced to choose between no and yes.

I avoid contact with other drivers as best I can, but if a racer has consistently been driving like an idiot, I am more liberal in my driving style. I don't punt or ram intentionally, but I don't shy away from contact as much as I would with a clean racer. If there is a slight opening on a corner, I'll take it, even if it means scraping some paint with the moron or if he pulls a Michael Schumacher on me.

However, I will never, EVER hold the gas into a corner with the sole intent of knocking someone else off the track. That's stupid, and it only makes the punters angrier as they will try even harder to smash through everyone else. Deliberate punting is one thing; paint-scraping is quite another.
 
Pass em on the straights when they can't drive in a straight line... :lol: sorry kinda funny, may i ask what you do if they weave on the straight to hit/block you on it??


You just have to time it right.Just fake them out.:mischievous:
 
I think the poll is too open-ended to get real answers. There is no middle-of-the-road choice between "Never" and "Yes, but only..." It seems that members, if they vote, are forced to choose between no and yes.

Read the question again, its not do you hit drivers, its do you hit punters back ie, if someone hits you, do you hit them back with some kind of intent. Accidental contact isn't relevant to the poll question accept in the decision between who's hit you on purpose or not.
 
Why is that so bad for someone like me, bearing no tag or relation to anyone here to the normal person. No-one here gets blamed for my actions, which is why i bear no tag. I have only my own reputation to damage, if it does, but seeing as i receive many messages and invites complimenting my manners whilst driving (even one thanking me for hitting a guy off a couple of weeks ago because the guy rammed off 4 people in a row), I am obviously saving my retaliation for the right time.

I actually look up to you Dragonistic, you seem a wise member of these forums.

I find it funny though, that you can shirk your responsibilities as an active member of this board by simply saying "I don't have 3 letters in front of my name and therefore my actions don't affect other members."

Other GTP members know who you are and other people from other forums know that you post here a fair bit and recognize you as a 'GTP-er' whether you like it or not. I don't have a GTP tag, but that doesn't mean I can run around like a vigilante and I don't want my driving reputation to reflect badly on anyone. Tag or not, I'm a rather proud member of this board and a few others and I try to drive for the greater good, rather than a selfish perception that my name allows me to sneak under the radar with no consequences.

- Sonny
 
Read the question again, its not do you hit drivers, its do you hit punters back ie, if someone hits you, do you hit them back with some kind of intent. Accidental contact isn't relevant to the poll question accept in the decision between who's hit you on purpose or not.

I agree it's not. I meant that there is no distinction between hard, deliberate punting and simply more aggressive driving. When I push a punter, it's definitely intentional. I just don't blatantly ram them off.
 
When someone punts me or spins me out, I will usually get up on their tail and stay there. No bumping or nothing like that. Usually they get so nervous they spin out on their own. In the Suzuka Esses is very easy to go side to side on them. They try to block your ever move and end up understeering badly on the last S turn.
 
I'm with the majority. I only hit them back if they keep hitting me and I know it is intentional. After they deliberately ram me off the course and drive off laughing only then will I give them back a taste. I usually don't ram them off the track because that isn't my style. I usually just very aggressively ride their tail and make daring passes.
 
Just had a race around Suzuka, a guy in a Biltz was leading and I was (very) slowly catching him, he lost it around Degner and I was able to pass. After that he started slowly catching me back until coming up to the hairpin on the 3rd lap he was only a second back. As I rounded it I saw his car ghost and come flying through mine, I assumed he had tried to ram me and carried on, he managed to get it back on line and away out of the hairpin better than me (cursed 4wd). Coming up to the entry to Spoon the same happened again, this time however he ended up in the kitty litter. I laughed and dismissed him as a punter who "got what he deserved".

Halfway through the next race I got an "invite to add as friend" from the same guy, after finishing for the night and reading it, he basically said how he was having to push his car so hard to keep up and had managed to take a few seconds off his best lap in the process.

If it weren't for this, I would have dismissed him as a punter and (probably) acted accordingly, i.e. Seeked revenge if he had repeatedly hit me as he so nearly did.

I'm still not sure how this will affect my online playing, but I certainly won't be so quick to prejudge other players online.
 
The weird thing for me is on the few occasions I have sought revenge most of the time I end up in the sand. Its hard to predict if the computer will allow contact, give you a penalty, or turn you to a ghost. So most of the time I look like an even bigger idiot, and I can just picture the original offender sniveling away in satisfaction. But I do think if someone is clearly trying to wreck you all bets are off......
 
I think one more option would have suited me best:

Almost never.

There have been a very few cases where a driver managed to tick me off so badly that I simply had to let out frustration, and I think the best place to do that is towards the person causing the frustration in the first place. I do think that many of these offenders are kids (I certainly hope so!)

Usually I just try to drive cleanly and avoid being near enough to the punter to be bothered again, either by over-taking cleanly or by not bothering and letting them take the race.
 
I dont punt the punters off every time but l do punt them off regularly.I they tag me then I as im catching the punter in question and he is tagging everyone else he/she comes across l take great pleasure in showing the punter the sandtrap.
I do not feel bad about it as l am a very fair driver but will not tolerate aye holes in life or online.
 
I've never done it myself, but TBH they really are testing my patience lately, especially in races that carry significance and they go and ruin it for everyone.
 
I actually look up to you Dragonistic, you seem a wise member of these forums.

I find it funny though, that you can shirk your responsibilities as an active member of this board by simply saying "I don't have 3 letters in front of my name and therefore my actions don't affect other members."

Other GTP members know who you are and other people from other forums know that you post here a fair bit and recognize you as a 'GTP-er' whether you like it or not. I don't have a GTP tag, but that doesn't mean I can run around like a vigilante and I don't want my driving reputation to reflect badly on anyone. Tag or not, I'm a rather proud member of this board and a few others and I try to drive for the greater good, rather than a selfish perception that my name allows me to sneak under the radar with no consequences.

- Sonny

I very very rarely hit people, let alone other forum members, if theyre racing fair (which every other forum member i've seen has been bar 1 naming no names). That 1 i had a scuffle with on the track, both kinda trading paint, then next race went completely clean. I was referring to the 'average joe' type guy who is the random GT5 driver. The fact i've hit one person in 100 hours play, thats what i mean, me hitting that one guy won't have tarnished my own reputation, let alone GTP even if someone has seen me do it. Most of the GT5net, TeamGT, GTRP drivers have seen me racing, and know I tend to be more forgiving then almost anyone when it comes to trading paint, but with me once i do get past that point of calmness, i do lash out at the player who has ruined 2-3 of my races.

Yes other forum members recognise me as a GTP player, but they also recognise me as a respectful and dare i say talented driver on GT5, a GTP'er. But a random racer who hasn't seen me before, can not make that connection, whether i'm driving good or bad. For example, a random guy see's me hit someone without seeing the previous incidents, thinks, i should be careful of this guy, but they'll quickly discover that i'm a fair racer during the rest of it. No-ones questioned my judgement when i've lashed out at that rare punter, Racer_LP has seen the best example of how i do on those rare occasions, make my feelings known.

I was following LP with a guy inbetween us coming into spoon, coming into the second apex of spoon, that guy shoves his nose up the inside of LP, and forces him onto the grass a little so i get past to. Then later in the race, i did a similar move to him, by when i was alongside, not backing down when hitting the braking zone ( i was inside) and he simple turned into me trying to stay on the racing line which i clearly already had. LP thanked me for it when i told him what happened.

Little actions like that, are my type of hitbacks 99.9% of that 0.01% the time i hit back are moves like that, rather then deliberate stupid moves, theyre just moves where i know i have right of way, and won't let up.

Had an incident with WayneGTC, a gt5net driver, in the garage showdowns also. As the racing was competitive, i went down the inside for a turn, and he turned into me trying to hold the racing line which i was on (my nose to his front 1/4), ended up running wide from contact, when the race was over he asked what happened, i explained i was holding my line and he accepted that we were both just going 110%. My point is, i only hit in the sense that i defend my line with no regard to a punted who won't give it up, i don't go out of my way to get someone. The difference with wayne was I did care that he had lost the position, but i also know neither of us did anything wrong, which is why i wouldn't wait for him to get back on as the race was competitive.

Halfway through the next race I got an "invite to add as friend" from the same guy, after finishing for the night and reading it, he basically said how he was having to push his car so hard to keep up and had managed to take a few seconds off his best lap in the process.

This is why i very, very rarely seek revenge, but i admit i do break at times. I only assume the driver is dirty if they actually hit me multiple times, someone who was trying to hit you, would've been much more calculated rather then daft lunges at you under braking twice as it would've appeared they were doing.
And by the way the Blitz is RWD.
 
Haha, I couldn't remember if it was rwd or 4wd, guessing that was me being throttle happy and causing a massive scene of wheelspin which caused his better exit then :dunce:

The drivers that really annoy me are the clearly fast ones who, when the pack starts to seperate a bit and you're at the front with them, then try to take you out to win at all costs. I would much rather have a really good battle with someone and fininsh 2nd than take out my main competition - especially considering really good battles are quite hard to come by on the "random" servers.
 
I never try to pun them back (although I sometimes would like to). When certain people do it multiple times, I write down the PSN, and send an angry or suggestive letter to them shortly after (depending on how bad they were). Often, the terrible drivers never reply… which is typical. But I just like to send them a little reminder that these are actual people they are racing against.

Edit: Oh btw... not 'Angry' Angry letters. No bad language or anything... that's not what I do 👍
 
Two wrongs don't make a right. So no, retaliation ramming is not for me.

One wrong does make a right? Not meaning to target you or say you should be hitting them, but this phrase is being thrown about as a reason to why people aren't hitting. Explain to me how two wrongs is closer to right then one. For example, in the garage showdown just now, we were racing (me and jpap) and a GTR took me out, fine i rejoined and carried on, he got me again (two wrongs so far yes?) and then again a third time after taking J-Pap out to, four wrongs (plus the other two racers who he also took out, a whopping six wrongs). If i hadve been a little more ruthless, one or two or even three of those incidents couldve been prevented if i'd have been as ruthless as you guys seem to think i am, which i'm simply not. So at the most extreme, if i'd have hit back right away after the first punt which was very blatant, (hit my rear 1/4 from being 20 metres behind as i turned in). My one wrong (totalling two with his) would've been so much better then six.
 
I never try to pun them back..

That's it man, use humor on 'em...sort of. 👍

Oh and until the final and full version of the game comes out I'm not treating this as GT5 so if these idiots bother me I'm taking them out. (Well that is if I can get a bead on 'em)
 
I've said I'll stop retalliating because it's putting peoples noses out of joint but I still think it's the right thing to do. However the yays are currently standing at 59% in the poll. If this is the case by the time the poll closes then I suggest a look at a ruling on code of conduct, based on majority decision.

I personally think that straightforward ramming, from behind is something that requires a lot of benefit of the doubt (some people are just crap on brakes and not everyone would think of waiting til the person has got back on the track and giving them the place)

But zig-zaggers, blockers and brake checkers I would say -open season on second offence (fist might be down to loss of control).

I guess what I'm saying is that this decision should be democratic (or the terrurists win) And right now the do-gooders are outvoted.
 
One wrong does make a right? Not meaning to target you or say you should be hitting them, but this phrase is being thrown about as a reason to why people aren't hitting. Explain to me how two wrongs is closer to right then one.

Well, in my opinion, one wrong is not right, 2 wrongs do not make a right and nor do 3 or 4 or 6 or 100.

I think that as soon as you enter world of "well he hit me so it's OK for me to hit him back" you have no right to complain in the future of being hit. You have just set yourself at their level and at that level, anything goes!

I'm not critising anyone's style of racing or way of thinking, it's just the way that I see it. I think that because we are talking about racing in a sim world, people seem to think it doesn't matter how they conduct themselves, but if somebody were to steal your PS3 & G25 set up, is it OK or justifyable to steal one back? Obviously an extreme example!

I theorise that most "impolite" racers are young or immature, who is going to set an example to these guys? How will they learn & observe how to race properly if nobody is willing to set the example?

This reply is not directed to anyone specifically, just shedding some light on why I think it's wrong to hit back...
 
... if somebody were to steal your PS3 & G25 set up, is it OK or justifyable to steal one back? Obviously an extreme example!

I'd sure as hell beat the living crap out of anyone I caught in the middle of trying. You'd hold the door open for them on the way out?
 
I'd sure as hell beat the living crap out of anyone I caught in the middle of trying. You'd hold the door open for them on the way out?

I think you know what I'm saying, but to reply anyway, no, I would not hold the door open and maybe I would react the same, I don't know til it happens.

Hope I never have to find out...... or you or anybody else for that matter!

Anyway, people should just race how they want, we all know a good/bad racer when we see one, no point us all trying to justify ourselves here, drive how you want, everybody is watching.... 👍

PS: I know your are good, considerate drivers P3nT4gR4m & Dragonistic, I just happened to quote your posts because you asked questions I felt compelled to answer, I'm not thinking of you when I talk about bad/impolite racing. :)
 
Theyre young and immature, and you think they'll follow a good example? Then they would've already read the notes in the GT5 manual saying be courteous and so on, would they not? My point was, in that particular case, i couldve saved the race for 3 other people if i'd have gone for the hit instead of trying to 'set the example' so to speak. It simply won't work on people not willing to learn, i accept that some yes will change, but you can see when someone isn't going to change their was quickly, those are the ones i would consider a possible target.
 
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