Punters - Hit 'Em Back, or Not?

[vanos2990]

Retaliation is a neccessary part of racing. Professionals do it to drivers who they know drive clean (example=Formula1). It's really up to you whether or not you will do it, but you cannot condemn anyone for retaliating back - it's there right to self defence as a driver.

 

[Gnobody]

Theyre young and immature, and you think they'll follow a good example?

We can hope....

 

[Dragonistic]

We can hope....

I know, but if i wasn't so busy hoping that GTR would clean up, i could've saved 3 people from having the treatment i did.

It's often not just younger drivers who are immature either, one punter someone found on google turned out to be in their fortys by the looks. He'd hit 6-7 people that race. There's a fine line between those with hope, those with not, which is why i give most the benefit of the doubt, but some people are so far past the line its unreal, and they shouldn't be given space to ruin multiple peoples races if one person can stop them.

 

[P3nT4gR4m]

PS: I know your are good, considerate drivers P3nT4gR4m & Dragonistic, I just happened to quote your posts because you asked questions I felt compelled to answer, I'm not thinking of you when I talk about bad/impolite racing.

Never thought for a minute you were. We're just having a friendly debate about an issue that this community seems divided on.

Anyway we've started flinging metaphors around now, that's my favourite bit of any debate

When arguments on emotive subjects become heated, best to remember your opponent is still your friend

 

[Gnobody]

...... but some people are so far past the line its unreal, and they shouldn't be given space to ruin multiple peoples races...

I agree 100%, but unfortunately, people race the same way they live their lives, no matter what their age, racing or at work!

Take a look at this guy.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YkdYnLKtic

Private rooms/offices can't come soon enough! LOL

Never thought for a minute you were. We're just having a friendly debate about an issue that this community seems divided on.

Anyway we've started flinging metaphors around now, that's my favourite bit of any debate

When arguments on emotive subjects become heated, best to remember your opponent is still your friend

Absolutely, I just didn't want you guys getting the wrong end of any sticks! 👍

 

[AERO_HDT]

What it seems like people are propagating here is a neverending circle of violence.

No wonder there's no peace in the middle east. Can't believe people would stoop to such a level and be so... petty.

Blood begets blood.

 

[P3nT4gR4m]

Nonviolent opposition to violence doesn't work either. That's how massacres happen.

 

[Dragonistic]

Nonviolent opposition to violence doesn't work either. That's how massacres happen.

Exactly, imagine how WWII could've turned out. So i guess all our grandparents or other relatives are all petty?
No, extreme example, but this is the most extreme it can get on GT5, why should we let extremists run through causing havoc completely unchallenged.

It doesn't take two to start violence, it only takes one, and that one can keep doing it infinitely if no-one stops them. We can't hit someone back if they don't hit us, once they've hit us (talking as in the proper punters not accidents etc.) the violence has already begun and will continue if everyone lets them hit us all.

And yes Gnobody, i know you mean no personal offense, but 60% of the voters have just been called petty yet none of that 60% have made personal comments like that.

 

[Sa!!yz~Rage]

Hmmmmmm, we're still talking about the game, right? 💡

Even though I'm committed to flipping the idiots when I come across them, I'm not getting too excited, I mean they are going to fix this crap and then it'll be just an annoying memory..👍 Right...?? PD? Anyone....

 

[Dragonistic]

Hmmmmmm, we're still talking about the game, right? 💡

Even though I'm committed to flipping the idiots when I come across them, I'm not getting too excited, I mean they are going to fix this crap and then it'll be just an annoying memory..👍 Right...?? PD? Anyone....

Yes with private rooms.

 

[Earth]

Hmmmmmm, we're still talking about the game, right? 💡

Even though I'm committed to flipping the idiots when I come across them, I'm not getting too excited, I mean they are going to fix this crap and then it'll be just an annoying memory..👍 Right...?? PD? Anyone....

They won't fix it. Punish the hacks and PD loses money by losing fans.

It's all about money, it's not about sportsmanship it's not about sim racing it's all about the unquenchable thirst for money and the power it brings

They'll give you private rooms but that's all you'll get don't dare venture out into the unknown quick races they will still have because Polyphony Digital will no doubt give the vultures a hunting ground to keep them happy and coming back for more

 

[nissan tuner]

license filtered matches would cut down on the punters by alot

 

[the Interceptor]

They won't fix it. Punish the hacks and PD loses money by losing fans.

How do private rooms punish the hacks? The only difference is that we'll have races of our own, but all the hacks will still have their own.

 

[P3nT4gR4m]

Once there are private rooms it'll be like online gaming is supposed to be - private leagues for the big boys and pub servers for pwning noobs

I will never use my tag in a pub and I will kill indiscriminately, just like god

 

[Sa!!yz~Rage]

I will never use my tag in a pub and I will kill indiscriminately, just like god

It's all about money, it's not about sportsmanship it's not about sim racing it's all about the unquenchable thirst for money...

Sadly, yep. I do think they have a little more vested in the GTx series, but in the end it's about money. I think they are sort of banking on the same mindset that keeps Mac people buying their products, even though they are putting out some crap these days. (I can talk like that, I only use Macs in business and personal use, I don't own a Winbloz machine..)

 

[Gnobody]

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And yes Gnobody, i know you mean no personal offense, but 60% of the voters have just been called petty yet none of that 60% have made personal comments like that.

A bit confused here mate, is this a general statement or are you saying that I made a personal comment to somebody/60% and called them petty?

If it's a general statement, then just ignore this post, if not, what personal comment are you referring to?

 

[BonzoHarry]

I just hosted a race with some random s2k. Going into the 2 lefts onto the straight before the 130r, rather than passing me, he slows down and pushes me into the gravel.

So i just quit. If that's how he's going to play, then he isn't playing with me.

 

[kart racer]

Can't wait until they bring full damage on line. It seems that the punter's are out in force tonight, one in particular is "kc919*. If he is in the same race as you, watch out as he hasn't the fantist idea were the brakes are. Now I don't have the slightest idea if he is a member here but if he is, I would like it if he would explain his reason behind his driving style. I apologise to everyone else for my rant, this is something I don't usually do.

 

[Dragonistic]

A bit confused here mate, is this a general statement or are you saying that I made a personal comment to somebody/60% and called them petty?

If it's a general statement, then just ignore this post, if not, what personal comment are you referring to?

No AERO did, specifically saying it was petty. Sorry for the confusion, and good racing last night by the way. (see below)

What it seems like people are propagating here is a neverending circle of violence.

No wonder there's no peace in the middle east. Can't believe people would stoop to such a level and be so... petty.

Blood begets blood.

 

[AERO_HDT]

Yes I did say it was petty. Just my opinion and I'm aware that it's a minority view here, but I'm surprised that there aren't more people trying to take a more restrained opinion about punting.

 

[skazz]

A few days ago I was in a Suzuka 750PP race, and after the usual first corner carnage I was moving back up the positions, and keeping pace with a fast guy in a Ford GT LM in front of me. He could clearly drive quickly, and I couldn't gain any time on him (me in my Z06 tuned). But every time he moved to pass someone ahead you saw him take the inside line to a corner and nudge the other guy onto the sand. This happened 3 out of 4 overtakes until he was in the lead and I was second.

If I could have caught him, I would have been sorely tempted to consider giving him a nudge. The stupid thing was that he clearly didn't need that kind of behaviour.

I personally refuse to deliberately nudge people off. However sometimes I am trying to get round slow guys while regaining positions after being hit off myself and it's effectively impossible to get past without colliding with them because they weave all over the place in an effort to keep you behind even though you are clearly considerably faster. After a few corners of weaving you can be fairly sure that they won't let you past on the straight either without attempting to push you into the wall, so in that case I tend to wait for a chance to get past where they are most likely to outbrake themselves. But patience can be difficult

 

[Gnobody]

...Sorry for the confusion....

No probs mate, you had me worried for a bit, I thought my fingers may have been typing without my brains permission again!

Well done on one of your wins last night, nice driving! 👍

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

One thing about me is I have a remarkable talent for holding anger, unfortunately, while the dam wall is very strong, it's also not very high. I had never rammed someone back after their discrimination on track to me until last night. One person in a Mine's GT-R was determined on pushing me off track, so I in turn became determined to return the favour. I got him a few times, before I had a genius idea. Going down the home straight he was cathing me (I was in an Elise 111R) and was going to come right up to me by my braking point at the first turn. Yep, I just took a slightly defensive line and braked at my normal spot, idiot was domb enough to try and use my braking point as a guide for himself or perhaps just tried to ram me I don't know. Either way, because of the Elise's remarkable agility I was into the corner well out of his reach very quickly, and he went flying off to the back of the sand trap. No contact needed, just had to fool him into thinking he could actually get me. Well I was sad to lose my punching bag, but I was satisfied I got a punter to quit my race, never seen him again that night.
There we go, I shouldn't feel the need to extract revenge for a long time, I must admit I simply snapped that other night. Private Rooms will come before I snap again I think, meaning I'll never snap again.

 

[Patrocles]

There's an old saying that goes sumfink like, "Never wrestle with a pig because you will get dirty and the pig will enjoy it."

Also, if i join a server and see you retaliating against a rammer I may not know that this guy is a rammer, next thing you know is that I am attacking YOU to protect this rammer believing he is an innocent victim! oh the irony and hilarity (sp)!! lol

 

[AERO_HDT]

+1

My point exactly. Where does it all end?

 

[Dragonistic]

where does it end if we just let them hit us repeatedly.

It ends when private rooms come, fighting or not fighting it currently in the publics will never lead to the end of ramming.

 

[Nicksfix]

A few days ago I was in a Suzuka 750PP race, and after the usual first corner carnage I was moving back up the positions, and keeping pace with a fast guy in a Ford GT LM in front of me. He could clearly drive quickly, and I couldn't gain any time on him (me in my Z06 tuned). But every time he moved to pass someone ahead you saw him take the inside line to a corner and nudge the other guy onto the sand. This happened 3 out of 4 overtakes until he was in the lead and I was second.

If I could have caught him, I would have been sorely tempted to consider giving him a nudge. The stupid thing was that he clearly didn't need that kind of behaviour.

I personally refuse to deliberately nudge people off. However sometimes I am trying to get round slow guys while regaining positions after being hit off myself and it's effectively impossible to get past without colliding with them because they weave all over the place in an effort to keep you behind even though you are clearly considerably faster. After a few corners of weaving you can be fairly sure that they won't let you past on the straight either without attempting to push you into the wall, so in that case I tend to wait for a chance to get past where they are most likely to outbrake themselves. But patience can be difficult

I think the guy you are talking about goes by the name of " coop2u ",I have seen this guy on various occasions,true,he can be fast,but he is also very wreckless,the traditional punter we all gripe about.He has gotten me on various occasions as well on different tracks. He is on my - " BLACKLIST "

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

where does it end if we just let them hit us repeatedly.

It ends when private rooms come, fighting or not fighting it currently in the publics will never lead to the end of ramming.

Well done with it after I vented that once. But it will certainly end for good when private rooms come..............unless we hold a GTP sanctioned demolition derby.

 

[Ardius]

where does it end if we just let them hit us repeatedly.

It ends when private rooms come, fighting or not fighting it currently in the publics will never lead to the end of ramming.

Yes, exactly, so its purely a matter of choice whether you ram back or not. (not condoning it here, just saying). It doesn't make a difference either way, but personally, I'd rather end a race and be able to say I never intentionally punted than to say I taught someone a lesson.

 

[AERO_HDT]

If there's someone who you come across repeatedly and they commit the same offences, why just not send them a PM and tell them to knock it off? I've done that on occasion and it works. The problem is, punters don't have a lot of communication with communities like gaming forums, they're outsiders and most of them play the game without realising that they're developing a poor reputation and people don't want to race against them.

If we keep knocking them about, then they're going to think it's okay for that sort of behaviour and continue to do so, because they think it's 'acceptable' when it really isn't.

But I suppose the easiest way is to introduce rooms. We just gotta be patient I guess...