PURE | Flyin' Miata Super Cup | Grand Finale Results & Points Posted!

[RIP_Welsh_Don]

Managed to get some laps in at last tonight, however, as always for me and Monaco, they didn't last too long. Managed to hit a couple of 40's with a best of 1'40.6xx, abiding by the chicane rules as stated (or so I believe )

 

[carracerptp]

Managed to get some laps in at last tonight, however, as always for me and Monaco, they didn't last too long. Managed to hit a couple of 40's with a best of 1'40.6xx, abiding by the chicane rules as stated (or so I believe )

That sounds fast to me, as I haven't done better than than 41.4 with the new chicane.

 

[CSLACR]

Well, you all know how i totally respect the PURE series, how i'm involved in and how i respect who create them.

I never contest a penalty against me when she's justified. I'm fair. (remember my penalty for IWC Cape Ring, i said nothing cause i was totally agree with).

So, I'm not totally against this 5secs penalty, I'm against the principle here.

FMSC is a big series. A lot of messages are posted. Over 180 pages atm. I'm totally sure that some people can't read all these pages, all the days.

This tire rules is only in one post that you did. When i race in a championship, the OP is my bible. I suppose that all rules must be in. But this tire rule is strictly nowhere in the OP.

So i definitely think that why i used inter's tires isn't entirely my fault...

And one more thing, what is logic in this rule? Why can't we use inter's? Don't answer "cause that's the rules", there's no logic in this answer.

Just my thoughts.

the logic is that the sports tires are inters; the only logic to allow racing rain is that in testing the sports get dangerous > 66%

That pretty much explains it.

I have to say, that's really not an answer. (Or a terrible one)
Because sports tires are inters? That's not true at all, is it?
Sports tires are sports tires, intermediate rain tires are "inters".

I've had the same question Litchi has about why inters were not allowed since I saw the rule. I'm sure there's an answer, but it's not that sports tires are inters, because they are not.

Now that puts us back to the other point he makes, about the OP etc, and it made me chuckle, because I only saw Litchi's post because I'm going back through, page by page, digging for a Monaco chicane rule that I have no clue where it may be, just somewhere in the more recent pages.

I'm not saying either of these mean anything about any penalties, not taking anyone's side, just pointing out questions/thoughts I already had.
As for the actual penalty, I actually would have to say it's clearly deserved, and no big deal. The rules have been posted in the same method all season long, so not knowing them isn't an excuse.

Anyways, back to looking for the chicane rule.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Well you're not going to find a chicane rule in the OP. Things like this, to me, are pretty obvious and when creating the series all of 9 weeks ago (or more) you don't think about a little chicane in a race that takes place over two months after you created the thread. Obviously the question has come up now, and I addressed it. It is really not that hard to get through there without losing too much time. Tested it myself last night.

If it's really going to be that big of a problem, we can set the grid order by points and go from there. It's not like I can put a concrete barrier there to keep people from doing the wrong thing. It's up to the drivers to know what they are doing.

 

[Barn One]

I just wanted to put a good job for running in full sim mode up here.
There are not enough groups running that setup.
So good job drivers.

 

[Dr_Watson]

Well you're not going to find a chicane rule in the OP. Things like this, to me, are pretty obvious and when creating the series all of 9 weeks ago (or more) you don't think about a little chicane in a race that takes place over two months after you created the thread. Obviously the question has come up now, and I addressed it. It is really not that hard to get through there without losing too much time. Tested it myself last night.

If it's really going to be that big of a problem, we can set the grid order by points and go from there. It's not like I can put a concrete barrier there to keep people from doing the wrong thing. It's up to the drivers to know what they are doing.

we could have the steward park there.

 

[CodeRedR51]

we could have the steward park there.

Or anyone for that matter. Good idea. 👍

 

[Dr_Watson]

Or anyone for that matter. Good idea. 👍

haha.. I was being facetious, but if you want to "put a wall there". We have the technology.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Yep, let's do that. 👍

So if anyone has qualified already, you may re-do your run. We need to make sure there is a car parked safety within the chicane, then go for it.

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

Yep, let's do that. 👍

So if anyone has qualified already, you may re-do your run. We need to make sure there is a car parked safety within the chicane, then go for it.

And where exactly are we parking the car? In the middle of the track? By the corner entry? How far out into the curbing do we park it? Are we still following the two wheels on tarmac rule? Is clipping the car a DQ or is it treated as a wall clip?

Sorry for that barrage, but by bringing in another variable, that inevitably brings up more questions.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Thought it might be easy to figure out where to put it. In just the right spot where the qualifier can't go over the back side of the curbing. Treat it as a wall clip, as usual not going to do much but slow you down anyway.

 

[Dr_Watson]

And where exactly are we parking the car? In the middle of the track? By the corner entry? How far out into the curbing do we park it? Are we still following the two wheels on tarmac rule? Is clipping the car a DQ or is it treated as a wall clip?

Sorry for that barrage, but by bringing in another variable, that inevitably brings up more questions.

That's why I was being funny with that. Having a "corner worker" is a very extreme measure to police something we shouldn't have to police. But if the camera angles are as bad as you say and people have problems pretending there's a wall at the chicane... well what else is there to do?

Perhaps a better option would be to do this week with replay review, but to keep things sane for the reviewers I'd say no-single runs... get 4-5 cars on track qualifying at the same time.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Perhaps a better option would be to do this week with replay review, but to keep things sane for the reviewers I'd say no-single runs... get 4-5 cars on track qualifying at the same time.

I don't think that would make it any less crazy.

At this point I'm about || <- that close to delaying the finale a week and changing the track. I'm just astonished by how difficult this situation is being made out to be when it's pretty obvious what you're supposed to, and not supposed to do.

 

[Adam41]

I'm so glad I've took a step back so that I don't have to take all this pointless crap so seriously. You do all this, I'll just make sure I stay really clean at the expense of a few tenths (and I'm sure many others will too).

 

[Dr_Watson]

I don't think that would make it any less crazy.

At this point I'm about || <- that close to delaying the finale a week and changing the track. I'm just astonished by how difficult this situation is being made out to be when it's pretty obvious what you're supposed to, and not supposed to do.

Hard to stop people from taking this stuff too seriously.

We didn't have any trouble in the GT4C qualifying when Adam mandated the same line restriction, people just stopped taking a cheater line and that was that. I don't remember it being hard to spot that corner either, you take a different approach if you're trying to stay on the road than you do if you're trying to cut the corner.

 

[Müle]

I just won a race last week with those exact same corner rules, so it shouldn't be an issue for me.

Then again, this is Monaco, and I'm always awful here.

 

[cicua]

The only issue I see is that sometimes the camera angle is hopeless for that chikane, so need to check replay. But usually it is easy enough to spot clean/dirty.

No need for concrete blocks on wheels

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

I don't think that would make it any less crazy.

At this point I'm about || <- that close to delaying the finale a week and changing the track. I'm just astonished by how difficult this situation is being made out to be when it's pretty obvious what you're supposed to, and not supposed to do.

I probably mentioned this before, but I personally cannot afford any delay in the schedule. For those that don't know yet, I'm planning a big move back to Vegas for next month. I'll likely not be able to race at Laguna if the date slips into May.

As I said before, my main concern is about the extra time needed in looking at replays because the angles are, IMO, providing me a false perspective. That likely meant I made poor judgment calls in the GT4C series, which is why it wasn't a big hoopla there. If all stewards are willing to look at every single Q run on replay later, then there's really no issue. Otherwise, the only way we can avoid that route is, again, declare the rumble strips 100% off-limits, but that's incredibly restricting.

 

[bdubclub]

Wow, didnt think this would get so much airtime.. That being said, I think I am going to just skip the qualifying this week and see how I do starting at the back. I seem to enjoy the races more this way, less hectic, plus usually find plenty of battles. 👍

 

[CodeRedR51]

Otherwise, the only way we can avoid that route is, again, declare the rumble strips 100% off-limits, but that's incredibly restricting.

....or put a car in the chicane.

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

....or put a car in the chicane.

I'll be testing that shortly. 👍

 

[RIP_Welsh_Don]

Guys, guys, guys!! This is insane. As a number of us have done this with the GT4 Cup in the past, I see no reason why we can't manage it here in FMSC. If I believe the lap is clean when I watch it live, then I'll call it clean. If I think it's close, I'll review it as normal. If I thought it was clean during live time and it turned out not to be, I'm sure it would have had a very minimal impact on overall lap time anyway and the driver would have obviously made every effort to keep 2 wheels on Tarmac anyway. Please, no parked cars, that's just crazy!!

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

Guys, guys, guys!! This is insane. As a number of us have done this with the GT4 Cup in the past, I see no reason why we can't manage it here in FMSC. If I believe the lap is clean when I watch it live, then I'll call it clean. If I think's close, I'll review it as normal. If I thought it was clean during live time and it turned out not to be, I'm sure it would have had a very minimal impact on overall lap time anyway and the driver would have obviously made every effort to keep 2 wheels on Tarmac anyway. Please, no parked cars, that's just crazy!!

Based on my ongoing testing with putting a car at the chicane, the time difference IS significant. With my old line, my PB was a 40.99 and now, I'm struggling breaking into the high 41s. Carra's in the same boat, as he believes a 40's out of his reach when it was obtainable before.

As for GT4C, as I mentioned before, I believe too many bad calls were made since the angles showed us one thing while in the replay manager, it was a different story altogether. Part of that is because the curbing is unusually wide.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I find it pretty crazy that it makes almost a full second difference. Unless the line before was to blatantly cut the chicane. With that said, if someone could provide video of their "line" through there, that would be fantastic.

 

[RIP_Welsh_Don]

I second what Jason said. The difference between a full cut (2 tyres on rumble only) and the rule we'll be abiding by, MIGHT be worth that much time, but surely not the difference between 'trying' to maintain 2 on tarmac and running slightly dirty (inches) and staying 100% clean??

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

I find it pretty crazy that it makes almost a full second difference. Unless the line before was to blatantly cut the chicane. With that said, if someone could provide video of their "line" through there, that would be fantastic.

From my perspective, I wasn't cutting the line. From the initial replay angles, I wasn't cutting the line. From replay manager, I was. My time loss in sector 2 is now averaging at least .5 seconds. Does it make sense? Not really, and yet, there it is.

Anyways, I have a room open with myself as the wall.

1472-6118-3615-5258-5524

 

[OwensRacing]

From my perspective, I wasn't cutting the line. From the initial replay angles, I wasn't cutting the line. From replay manager, I was. My time loss in sector 2 is now averaging at least .5 seconds. Does it make sense? Not really, and yet, there it is.

Anyways, I have a room open with myself as the wall.

1472-6118-3615-5258-5524

Still up? You had a two man room earlier. So I opened up one. TBoat in it with me. We come your way if still open.

 

[carracerptp]

Guys, guys, guys!! This is insane. As a number of us have done this with the GT4 Cup in the past, I see no reason why we can't manage it here in FMSC. If I believe the lap is clean when I watch it live, then I'll call it clean. If I think it's close, I'll review it as normal. If I thought it was clean during live time and it turned out not to be, I'm sure it would have had a very minimal impact on overall lap time anyway and the driver would have obviously made every effort to keep 2 wheels on Tarmac anyway. Please, no parked cars, that's just crazy!!

It must be the bumper cam then.
The car "wall" worked well but it does make it harder to Q so I'm not caring so much anymore. Fridays tomorrow so we may as well go with the "when in doubt check".

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

At this point, I know a good spot where someone can put up a wall, and it stays there. If we're still going through with the idea, I can put up some pics along with instructions.

 

[RIPDeadMansHand]

I might not have that much input on this series, but I heard the 1 solution to all the arguements already...

Grid by points.


(I will try a Q lap if not.)