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I was just too tired to post 
The race started out okay, but it was really tough to stay with the pack, because even though I got caught up in the corners, I would get murdered on the straights, even in the draft. All it took was one mistake and I was out of the draft, which meant I just fell back. At one point Paginas fell into my clutches, but I couldn't overtake because the Corvette was just too fast, and I ended up making a wild move on Pag at the chicane when attempting to overtake, and almost took him out, sorry for that, didn't think it through
Mostly it was a lonely race, did not expect to catch up to anyone though. The Lotus is a lovely car to drive and I love it, but I am kinda worried about it's acceleration, even on tracks it favours, like Monaco.
The race started out okay, but it was really tough to stay with the pack, because even though I got caught up in the corners, I would get murdered on the straights, even in the draft. All it took was one mistake and I was out of the draft, which meant I just fell back. At one point Paginas fell into my clutches, but I couldn't overtake because the Corvette was just too fast, and I ended up making a wild move on Pag at the chicane when attempting to overtake, and almost took him out, sorry for that, didn't think it through
Mostly it was a lonely race, did not expect to catch up to anyone though. The Lotus is a lovely car to drive and I love it, but I am kinda worried about it's acceleration, even on tracks it favours, like Monaco.
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Fun race today guys 👍 If this is any indication of how hotly contested the future races will be, we should be in for a pretty exciting Championship!
I think as some of you know, some cars need a bit of work in order to further balance the characteristics of the cars and make sure no one is fighting an uphill battle (with the 370z in particular).
From the experience today battling with Adam (Corvette) and Tony (Aston), I think we gathered that the Camaro needs a bit more oomph without increasing the overall laptime (so more hp, more weight most likely). The Camaro has very good pace at this particular track (mostly from good cornering speeds and braking), but I was running a pretty damn aggresive tune (22/24 RH and -.75 toe in the race) which was working the tires very hard, and most likely left very little on the table to extract with further tuning. I noticed with Adam's Corvette that it was unusually kind on the rear tires, so I'm not exactly sure if there could have been a couple more tenths hiding in the tune had it been setup to get more use and rotation on the rear end (more - rear toe and lower rear ride height)...maybe Adam can comment since I haven't driven the Vette yet 💡
Additionally, once the ballast starts to be thrown onto the Vette, it seems like it could be the best platform to deal with the ballast, given the amount of potential the rear tires have left atm. As it stands though, winning a race in the Camaro against Tony or Adam with the current specs (and the consistancy of the front runners) is nearly impossible, as the Camaro would still lose a bit of ground even in their draft....making a divebomb the only option to stay in front lap after lap. Because of the fact that I often found myself 3rd in the train of cars (unable to cleanly pass, and maintain the lead for 1 straight), meant that once the pits opened up I was a bit of a sitting duck in terms of picking the best strategy possible that wouldn't lose me a crucial couple of seconds (which is what ended up happening).
That said, the Camaro and Evora are certainly 2 cars that needs a bit more power while reducing the braking power/cornering speeds, while the Vette I'm still unsure about (as it seems like it has the most potential atm). Tony's Aston is quite strong on the straights, but was poor under braking and had decent cornering speed...and not too stellar tire wear.
Interested to hear your guys comments
I think as some of you know, some cars need a bit of work in order to further balance the characteristics of the cars and make sure no one is fighting an uphill battle (with the 370z in particular).
From the experience today battling with Adam (Corvette) and Tony (Aston), I think we gathered that the Camaro needs a bit more oomph without increasing the overall laptime (so more hp, more weight most likely). The Camaro has very good pace at this particular track (mostly from good cornering speeds and braking), but I was running a pretty damn aggresive tune (22/24 RH and -.75 toe in the race) which was working the tires very hard, and most likely left very little on the table to extract with further tuning. I noticed with Adam's Corvette that it was unusually kind on the rear tires, so I'm not exactly sure if there could have been a couple more tenths hiding in the tune had it been setup to get more use and rotation on the rear end (more - rear toe and lower rear ride height)...maybe Adam can comment since I haven't driven the Vette yet 💡
Additionally, once the ballast starts to be thrown onto the Vette, it seems like it could be the best platform to deal with the ballast, given the amount of potential the rear tires have left atm. As it stands though, winning a race in the Camaro against Tony or Adam with the current specs (and the consistancy of the front runners) is nearly impossible, as the Camaro would still lose a bit of ground even in their draft....making a divebomb the only option to stay in front lap after lap. Because of the fact that I often found myself 3rd in the train of cars (unable to cleanly pass, and maintain the lead for 1 straight), meant that once the pits opened up I was a bit of a sitting duck in terms of picking the best strategy possible that wouldn't lose me a crucial couple of seconds (which is what ended up happening).
That said, the Camaro and Evora are certainly 2 cars that needs a bit more power while reducing the braking power/cornering speeds, while the Vette I'm still unsure about (as it seems like it has the most potential atm). Tony's Aston is quite strong on the straights, but was poor under braking and had decent cornering speed...and not too stellar tire wear.
Interested to hear your guys comments
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I'm currently breaking in the 370Z just to see whether it's really the car or a setup issue. In fact, I may test all the cars, if I have time.
As a Vette driver, it's true. The car's kind to the rear since my fronts wore out a little more. Then again, I only have -0.05 rear negative toe.
Oh, and let me guess. The Vette's going to be nerfed. Of course, that's just my luck. Same thing happened when I drove the Z4 in prior seasons. It went from contender to jalopy.
A final note, 1:11.85 in Rome atm. I'm sure you aliens will be running 10s.
As a Vette driver, it's true. The car's kind to the rear since my fronts wore out a little more. Then again, I only have -0.05 rear negative toe.
Oh, and let me guess. The Vette's going to be nerfed. Of course, that's just my luck. Same thing happened when I drove the Z4 in prior seasons. It went from contender to jalopy.
A final note, 1:11.85 in Rome atm. I'm sure you aliens will be running 10s.
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Awesome race guys, tough battles throughout the race with Brock and Adam. It's been a while, and i enjoyed it very much. Congrats to Adam for a great win!
EDIT: I can't get into much details about the cars,as i've only driven the Aston. I'll try to find some time in the next few to test some of them and then i'll provide some input if necessary.
EDIT: I can't get into much details about the cars,as i've only driven the Aston. I'll try to find some time in the next few to test some of them and then i'll provide some input if necessary.
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Well said TA. However, you should be glad that you can already keep up with Tony and Aderrrm.
Now you know why it was these three that we picked to represent us in the inter-league challenge.
Glad you guys are having fun, it's going to be an epic contest all around.
How'd the Mas'i feel Nige?
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Am I free to paint my 370Z any colour, or does it have to be black like the other teams? Also, I need a team mate
Edit: Anyone got times for Rome too please? Give me a target to try & get closer to.
Make up a team name. Paint it any sensible colour, along with the rims. Welcome. 👍
Div 1 was a great race. Got mugged at the start, partly thanks to my dodgy wheel upshifting 1 more gear than I wanted, but it made it very fun! Me, Nep, TA and tony in a 4 car train, and the other guys in a 5 car train. Awesome stuff. Nep only lost out when I overtook him, and couldn't hang on to me. Thanks for the racing guys.
As for the specs, you guys disappoint me wanting all the cars to be so equal in terms of handling/acceleration/top speed characteristics lol.
The GT4 Cup is generally about having different types of cars which have benefits in places others don't. I'd just like to note... first off, saying that around GP/D I could get all the cars within a half second of each other. When people start saying their car is 2 seconds off the pace... well, whatever.
If you want all the cars to be bang on equal, then you can have that. But then what's the point in having 7 different cars? Why not turn it into spec series? Saves a lot of hassle... seriously. I read somewhere in this forum, I think it was the GTP ORB thread that's seemed to have disappeared now, about someone giving suggestions for all of the racing series in general. One of them was to have less spec series, and have more diverse grids of cars.
But anyway, I'll be making a new grid of cars tomorrow. Fyi CSL, taking 30kg off the 370Z will do nothing. The Evora in season 1 weight 1223 kg and it was too good in the corners, unproportionately (is that a word?). Season 3 and 147 kg heavier, and it doesn't seem to be that much worse in the cars, despite all of the other cars staying the same weight.
Will appreciate it if you guys can suggest amendments again once I put up the new specs tomorrow or Monday. Cheers. 👍
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I would like to point out that, well, you are you and you can drive anything.
But, isn't this what pre-season races are for? To find out if everything will work correctly during the regular season and to make changes accordingly?
Honestly leave it as-is, doesn't matter to me. If the next race or two goes the same way then whatever, I guess I can't tune. (I really can't)
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Thanks Adam. I'll let the team name be joint decided by whoever ends up paired with me if there is a taker. Will decorate maybe tomorrow.
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I don't think reducing the weight will greatly improve the Z's cornering or acceleration, what it does is remove weight from the front, and add weight to the rear where it needs it, enabling it to get on the power sooner out of corners, and handle more predictable is all. A 30KG weight reduction ends up removing more like 60kg off the front, and adding 30kg to the rear. (rough estimate)
As for the cars being equal in all terms on all tracks, it'll never happen, so I wouldn't be worried with that at all.
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When you have a multi car series, there will ALWAYS be differences. It is up to the host to try to make those differences as minimal as possible. But the fact that a car is too understeery or oversteery can't be fixed by changing specs. It's the nature of the car, it's how it is unfortunately. That's why spec series are the best close racing. Not saying they are more fun, they are just better for competitive racing.
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What sucks is, I'm pretty sure I won the race at this track a couple seasons ago, and when I tried to use that setup again it just didn't work. Physics changes. 👎
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Well actually sometimes you can, and the Z here is one of those cases. You take 60kg's off the front and add 30 to the rear, and you have a better handling car. It might not lap too much faster, but the driveability and tire wear will definitely be improved. Between the weight reduction and ballast, plus dropping to 375HP, the car changed pretty dramatically for me.
We'll see, whatever Adam has in mind might already be great, no need to worry about it.
Yeah, GT5 just keeps changing so much. In a way it is bad, I can never really get 100% comfortable with the game.
Hmm, maybe I should test that CSL. Sounds good. 👍
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I did notice that after Spec 2.0, you haven't been as competitive. That or I got faster...
Nah.
BTW, still breaking in the 370Z. Hopefully, I can provide another opinion on the car. 👍
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Oh yeah, did anyone else with an Evora observe better balance and pace as the tires/fuel wore down?
I think I may be using too much rear brake bias. I would ideally like to run more front.
Edit: Oh yeah, is anyone using the rigidity improvement? Does it help?
I think I may be using too much rear brake bias. I would ideally like to run more front.
Edit: Oh yeah, is anyone using the rigidity improvement? Does it help?
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CodeRedR51
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I have it saved. I can pull the data into a zip file, but that's all I can do, really.
Anyways, did some testing of the Z for myself. Unfortunately, my car has the dumb chassis reinforcement on it, so I don't know how much of a factor that plays into it.
For Nurb F, I broke 32s twice but paid dearly with the tires. Tried many setups, but ended getting consistent 33.3s the first flier, and around a 33 flat the second. The nose doesn't plant too well, so I really needed to break the rears in order to lug the car around. It's a bit of a chore.
Also tried Rome, believing it would have an advantage. So far, a 12.3 with the Z while the Vette is .2 faster. Again, front tire wear's an issue.
Haven't tried the other cars yet.
CodeRedR51
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So right on with what I was experiencing, 33.3's on average at best. About half a second slower than that in traffic. My fastest lap of the race was with drafting help and a 33.1.
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I think it was down to 504PP at 372HP 1280KG, with aero at 20. Since I hate the car with aero at 20, I would drive it with less, this car is best without aero imo, but to keep the look it probably runs fastest around 500-502PP with aero between 5-12.
There is no "big" difference between the two specs, everything is slightly adjusted, it has less under-steer to dial out, the snap over-steer under braking is also reduced, it has more grip exiting corners, and less power to spin the tires, it's not going quite as fast at the end of long straights so the brakes don't kill you quite as easily, and it might corner slightly faster due to less weight on the front as well.
But this is only one track as well, and as far as I know, I've agreed with all of Adams prior test results that I've tried, and I fully believe the 370 is the fastest car of the group at Monza, and possibly other tracks in the season.
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