PURE | JGTS 3 - Series complete! Congrat's to Driver champion MSP_JTown and Team champions Xanavi Z!

[OutlawQuadrnt]

I've finally watched some of the D1 replay today.

Unfortunately, it appears that we've had quite a few incidents and I'm suspecting that lag may have played a major factor. If anyone has yet to report their incidents, please provide the replay file or upload a video clip using your phone or similar.

Also, just a heads up that I will be skipping Spa. Thought about coming back early from vacation to race there but I'd rather avoid another draft-fest.

 

[nissman]

Not only lag to blame but also this exaggerated draft we have in GT5. Drivers usualy practice Q runs whole week and get used to braking at certian points and speed. Than when the race comes everything changes and drivers start making brake point mistakes.
In Q I was braking at 282kmh, in the race my top speed behind a double car draft came to 307kmh! Thats a huge diffrence and if you miss your brake point by just a second you become dive bomb and can easily take few cars with you. Especialy in Fuji this problem is even bigger.

But still in replay I saw some bold moves, drivers forcing themselfs on the inside line especially at the backstrech chicane.
This is suppose to be the best GT500 league in the world.

I know it's very competative in JGTS3...but we still need to be fair and clean people!

 

[SkengD]

Yeh i was a bit surprised to get some touring style bullying in race 2

I think because it was a sprint race there was a lot less patience

 

[nissman]

Yes that also played it's part. I enjoy racing enduro races more than sprints. Good thing we have only two enduro rounds left.

Practice room up: 1472 - 6118 - 3787 - 3245 - 4026

 

[SkengD]

Join you in an hour

 

[Wardez]

Penalties are final, but reporting incidents is, of course, always open and encouraged. If anyone has anything else that needs looking at, please let us know asap.

Race 2 - Monza ​

Division 1

Incident 1:
@GTPGhost reported for possible jump start in heat 2.
Incident 2:
@GTPGhost reported for causing a series of collisions resulting from late braking in the last lap of the second heat, causing damage directly to @outlaw4rc and resulting in damage to tony1311 and @Spurgy 777.

Conclusion -
I-1: No jump start. outlaw4rc did not sufficiently cover his grid position closely enough behind the cars ahead, GTP_GhostDriver did not pass him before the starting point.
I-2: Incident verified on replay as reported.

Penalty -
I-1: None.
I-2: 60 incident points for causing avoidable damage reduced to 45 for sustaining clean driving a majority of the time in the series. Needs to work on braking as other collisions, small and large, have also been reported due to his late braking.

References -
I-1:
Video
I-2:
Video
Video
​

Division 2

Incident 1:
@cue77 and @MSP_Projeck are reported for reckless and dangerous driving between each other, hip checking, turning in on each other, dive bombing, through out the first heat race.
Incident 2:
@cue77 is reported for reckless driving resulting in light damage to @Müle and @Jash and blind sideswiping on the end of lap five in the second heat race.

Conclusion -
I-1: Verified on replay.
I-2: Verified on replay, cue77 sent a message to @Müle apologizing for the incident.

Penalty -
I-1: 35 and 25 incident points to @MSP_Projeck and @cue77, respectively, for overly aggressive driving.
I-2: 35 incident points reduced to 25 to @cue77 for aggressive driving resulting in damage and effectively ending @Müle 's race.

References -
I-1:
Video
I-2:
Video
​

Race 4 - Nuburgring GP/F​

Division 1

Incident 1:
@Spurgy 777 reported for passing @nissman off track on lap 39 and making contact causing light damage in lap 40 at turn 1.
Incident 2:
@MSP_hasihno reported for causing contact resulting in damage against @nissman and @GTPGhost on lap 40 in turn 3.
Incident 3:
@MSP_R3CO reported for causing damage and contact with @MSP_JUJU and @nissman in the last lap.
Incident 4:
@MSP_JTown reported for running wide multiple times during the race, mainly at turn 4's exit.

Conclusion -
I-1: @Spurgy 777 was forced off and gained position, did not give it back as he should have. Contact causing light damage going into turn 1 caused by Nissman in the following lap, 40. It's deemed a racing incident for cutting off @nissman on exit, but due to it causing damage, a small penalty must be applied.
I-2: @MSP_hasihno was caught between both drivers, was not driving recklessly during the race besides this incident, racing incident. Small penalty must be applied for causing damage.
I-3: Verified on replay.
I-4: Verified on replay. Constant and deliberate track cutting. On @MSP_JTown 's first stint, he ran wide at turn 4's exit (Mercedes Arena) on every single lap from Lap 3 to around 11 or 12 when he caught up to tony1311. He didn't do it as much for the second stint mainly because of traffic but for the last stint, he continued abusing that area. Laps 3-12 and Laps 29-39. All but maybe 3-4 of those laps were out of bounds and on occasion, he also abused T2. tony1311 was found to have been running quite aggressively in the race during his clashes with @MSP_JTown. This serves as warning that we expect tony1311's racing standard to improve in the future from its current state.

Penalty -
I-1: 35 incident points reduced to 15 to @nissman for causing damage. Warning for @Spurgy 777 for gaining position off track and not relinquishing it.
I-2: 35 incident points reduced to 25 as warning for causing damage to two cars.
I-3: 60 incident points for causing avoidable damage to two cars.
I-4: Disqualification from Round 4, 45 incident points for an overt disregard for track boundaries.

References -
No video, NTSC replay:
http://speedy.sh/EzXq9/Nurb.zip​

Race 5 - Fuji F
​

Division 1

Incident 1:
@GTPGhost reported for divebombing @Spurgy 777 on lap 22 in heat 2 at turn 1, causing light damage.
Incident 2:
@SkengD was reported for not leaving enough room for @gm matthew on exit of turn 1 in heat 1, lap 2.
Incident 3:
@mirial was reported for causing avoidable damage to @gm matthew on turn 6 in heat 1, lap 17.

Conclusion -
I-1: Verified on replay.
I-2: Racing incident.
I-3: Verified on replay.

Penalty -
I-1: 35 incident points for reckless driving resulting in damage and not relinquishing position following advantage gained from contact.
I-2: None.
I-3: 25 incident points for reckless driving resulting in damage.

References -
I-1:
Video
I-2:
Video
I-3:
Video​

 

[xStretch-]

Ghost also jumped the start at Fuji to lol. Pretty wreckless stuff by some drivers, you would never have guessed this game had been out for 3 years.

The amount of crap I've had done to me in the 3 races in this championship has been more than I've had in every single GT500 race I've had put together. I think a big telling off is needed for many drivers but I cba reporting/

 

[PASM]

Ghost also jumped the start at Fuji to lol.

In all fairness, I nearly jumped the start as well. I though we were going at the starting line being the timing line. When the pack stayed driving at formation speed I started doubting.

My point is, the exact starting line wasn't clarified in the thread, like we had at Monza.

 

[xStretch-]

In all fairness, I nearly jumped the start as well. I though we were going at the starting line being the timing line. When the pack stayed driving at formation speed I started doubting.

My point is, the exact starting line wasn't clarified in the thread, like we had at Monza.

Wardez said its at the start line, only Monza he changed it for safety. Still, all you have to do is stay behind the car infront and go when he goes, it's very simple

 

[PASM]

Wardez said its at the start line, only Monza he changed it for safety. Still, all you have to do is stay behind the car infront and go when he goes, it's very simple

I agree it is simple. But any deviation from the default, being the timing line, should be mentioned. I searched for it, but I can't find any post of Eddie saying its the starting line. Maybe in a previous season, but I'm new

 

[Spurgy 777]

Ghost also jumped the start at Fuji to lol. Pretty wreckless stuff by some drivers, you would never have guessed this game had been out for 3 years.

The amount of crap I've had done to me in the 3 races in this championship has been more than I've had in every single GT500 race I've had put together. I think a big telling off is needed for many drivers but I cba reporting/

As far as I can tell, at least your races at Fuji were fine.

 

[xStretch-]

As far as I can tell, at least your races at Fuji were fine.

Go check my replay around lap 14 in race 2 if thats what you class as fine

 

[nissman]

As far as I can tell, at least your races at Fuji were fine.

As far as I can tell I didn't enjoy racing with you yet. Even on the warm up lap you drive 2 feet behind a car making me and probably others very nervous...

Gave you a lot of space in Nur in last 10 laps, at that point I was faster, I tried to work with you so others woudn't catch us while we were driving in a very good 3rd and 4th(with a nice gap to 5th) but you rather went two wide, blocking in every corner making us lose chunks of time and kill our tyres. And lets not even get started on the last 2 laps...I have no doubt you're a fast driver but not impresed by your racing craft as I was with your GTA time.

 

[GTPGhost]

Hey Guys ,

Well it seems i'm not too popular after a few of these races , All i can do is take it on the chin . Maybe a bit too over eager , but these things happen when your trying grab back some points .

So all i can do is apologize , although this Supra is slow and trying to make up for the lack of pace every chance i get by braking as late as possible as a consequence .

Anyway My apologies for ruining anyone's racing , but will not stop me taking part in the last 2 races as i'm really enjoying the season .

P.S .. Watch out for me in your mirrors ...I'm Coming ..lol

Peace

 

[SkengD]

All we can do is learn from mistakes and try to improve as racers

 

[xStretch-]

Hey Guys ,

Well it seems i'm not too popular after a few of these races , All i can do is take it on the chin . Maybe a bit too over eager , but these things happen when your trying grab back some points .

So all i can do is apologize , although this Supra is slow and trying to make up for the lack of pace every chance i get by braking as late as possible as a consequence .

Anyway My apologies for ruining anyone's racing , but will not stop me taking part in the last 2 races as i'm really enjoying the season .

P.S .. Watch out for me in your mirrors ...I'm Coming ..lol

Peace

I'm not directing anything at you, I've not been near you on track haha! But I don't know how much racing you've done in dirty air, always welcome to join Me, Nis, Loz and Miral in some of our lobbys to test. You have to break in a new spot every lap what sucks but we have to work with it I guess.

 

[GTPGhost]

I'm not directing anything at you, I've not been near you on track haha! But I don't know how much racing you've done in dirty air, always welcome to join Me, Nis, Loz and Miral in some of our lobbys to test. You have to break in a new spot every lap what sucks but we have to work with it I guess.[/quo

Ya i get you , I'm well aware on how to drive in dirty air and think I've proven that in the many overtakes I've done . Sometimes i just try that little bit too hard and get caught up in the moment which is something i'm trying to curb at the moment and sometimes do make mistakes and i'm striving for perfection which will come .

Also after getting my new progressive springs I've had to adjust a bit so still getting used to it , i'm not trying to justify myself i'm merely pointing out that i know where my weaknesses are and can only get better .

Anyway that's all i have to say , and ya sure will join you guys for some practice and cheers for the invite .

Peace

 

[Spurgy 777]

Go check my replay around lap 14 in race 2 if thats what you class as fine

Missed that, but I doubt it was intentional, or at least I hope not, he probably just overcompensated for the damage he had.

As far as I can tell I didn't enjoy racing with you yet. Even on the warm up lap you drive 2 feet behind a car making me and probably others very nervous...

Gave you a lot of space in Nur in last 10 laps, at that point I was faster, I tried to work with you so others woudn't catch us while we were driving in a very good 3rd and 4th(with a nice gap to 5th) but you rather went two wide, blocking in every corner making us lose chunks of time and kill our tyres. And lets not even get started on the last 2 laps...I have no doubt you're a fast driver but not impresed by your racing craft as I was with your GTA time.

1) I would be a little concerned if anyone here couldn't follow directly behind someone keeping constant speed at around 40-60mph on a straight.

2) I'm going to defend my position when the only person anywhere near us is my team mate on much better tyres.

3) After talking with some of the stewards, it seems we were seeing different things on the last two laps, but they're sorting it so no point saying anything more, unless you want to PM me and I'll show you the videos.

4) And I think my race craft is probably as good as, if not better than, my raw pace which I've demonstrated in quite a few of races, even in this series on a number of occasions.

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

With Spa upcoming, the least I want to do is provide a few guidelines to minimize any problems on the track:

1. Practice driving in the draft - Figure out handling characteristics and braking points with added speed. If you can't arrange that, what helps with braking is releasing the gas as you approach your usual reference area.

2. Give your competitor enough room - Thanks to lag, you can inadvertently bang into them if you try cutting in front of their nose or follow behind them coming into a braking zone. Be especially careful in a pack; adjust for a slower entry speed.

3. Pass smart - Spa has obvious passing zones, past Eau Rouge and approaching the bus stop. Unless your opponent slips up big, you're better off trailing them until reaching those spots for the overtake. Otherwise, all you're doing is losing time to those further ahead and allow those behind to catch up.

 

[Wardez]

We're going to be doing some revision work to the penalties in the next couple days, so they're no longer final. We really have to make sure they're just and correct. Drivers, expect PM's soon.

 

[Andil]

Can I also raise the issue of forming up correctly too please?

You're not meant to overlap with the car diagonally in front of you.

However a lot of drivers are approaching the rolling start directly on the rear bumper of the car in front. That's not right and means the pack is very bunched heading towards the start line.

 

[GTPGhost]

Can I also raise the issue of forming up correctly too please?

You're not meant to overlap with the car diagonally in front of you.

However a lot of drivers are approaching the rolling start directly on the rear bumper of the car in front. That's not right and means the pack is very bunched heading towards the start line.

I agree with this , as my false start at Fuji was a result of that although I did wait for the field to pass before I went . Whilst approaching the line the car in Front of me accelerated as if they where starting which triggered me to accelerate and then just slowed down which caused me to run into his rear and the first half of the race I had damaged front suspension .

And another thing I just want to point out to Spurgy , yes I did cause the accident and well aware I caused it and if you watch the replay I slowed down to let you retake your position on the last lap .

And another thing to remember guys is if there is a gap open I'm going to take it , and i think we are all taking this a bit too harshly , think of the calibre of racers everyone is pushing to the limit's on track and accidents are bound to happen weather they are deliberate or not .

Cheers

 

[Wardez]

And another thing to remember guys is if there is a gap open I'm going to take it , and i think we are all taking this a bit too harshly , think of the calibre of racers everyone is pushing to the limit's on track and accidents are bound to happen weather they are deliberate or not .

Very true, this may come off weird to some, but I encourage this type of thinking. We're not about putting extreme scrutinization to every incident, racing is racing, but there are definitely instances where people are wronged, and that's what we need to try and keep to the minimum.

Everyone knows we picked the best for this series, just act like it.

Every one also needs to keep in mind that the game's net code is not the best, so when you're "going for the gap" you need to always keep this in mind. Please fight hard, but fair. Go to war, sure, but there's no need to use "scorched Earth" tactics, if you get me.

 

[SkengD]

I hope the majority of this group returns for more fun in gt6

 

[Müle]

Racing with Spurgy a bunch in Nascar's, I can say I've never had any issue with his racecraft.

 

[Hayc]

Hi all,new guy to GTP,well some of you may know me,(ghost, tidgney),any how was just askin are you goin to be runin this in gt6,if so can I try out for it,I'm not the quickest about but I'm not the slowest either,(GT A 2013 was placed 300th in the UK)

 

[Wardez]

Hey @Hayc, welcome.

JGTS won't be around in GT6 until late next year. JGTS is meant to take the best drivers and invite them all into the same series, so we're kind of restarting for GT6, running open series with different cars to find the right people over time, then invite all of them for JGTS 4 which, again, is gonna run late next year.

I feel like this time of year, is always best for a nice series like this, starting right after Summer and GT Academy craziness wraps up, and ending right before the holidays so you get nice and consistent dedication from drivers.

Registration for PURE membership is going to be wide open in about a week, so those that'd like to race with us should sign up that way, and they'll receive alerts whenever one of our series open up that they can join.

Thanks for asking, see you on track in GT6 soon 👍

 

[Hayc]

Ok cool will keep me eyes open for when this is starting again and try out for it,thanks for gettin back to me.

 

[Wardez]

@Hayc
Well, like I said, this won't be starting up for another year or so, and there's no "try outs" in the sense you're thinking. The try-outs are going to be racing in the different leagues we set up that aren't invitation-only like this one.

We are doing a Super GT series in the next few months, and an FIA GT3 series that we're putting a lot of energy into as well, those will be your best bets.

 

[Hayc]

Ok cool will look out for this then.what sort of things are goin on at the moment and that will run in gt6.like one off races,spot race,and is there any thing like the OPC v Ronin GT thing about.