PURE | JGTS - Going on strong and adapting in the face of change!

[Denilson]

That was a lesson for sure. I take my hat of to you tony, and the rest of you who actually raced in those conditions! 👍

Well, I don't have ballast for round 8!! 👍

But guys, remember to read up on the race specifics.
The start was not executed as it should've..

 

[Litchi]

YMS Supra's POWER

 

[paulmac2k9]

That was interesting to see the least and I was sorta happy it got as wet as it did (100%) as it allowed me to climb back up to my starting position of 8th which I believe is my best result in Pure .

 

[CSLACR]

Well, that went completely downhill for me.........

I thought I was supposed to get better by racing here. Guess being better than average at Monza was just a fluke.

Currently parked in the pits on lap25 after crash #3.

Lessons learned:

1. Don't accelerate out of La Source. Put it in neutral and coast down the hill.
2. Don't "take it easy" on worn tires. Always pit 2 laps earlier than planned, even if it means mucking up any strategy you may have thought up of
3. Don't push after said pitstop under any circumstances. Actually, don't push at all.

Honestly, exaggeration aside, those are all viable options, and not one is a terrible idea. A lap of damaged driving and extra pit stop costs more then a perfect race's worth of pushing hard.

👍 good job Paul.

 

[OwensRacing]

Was rain from the word go. By lap 4 or so we was kicking 80%. I jumped in for rain tires. Fuel was at like 16 l. I wanted that to 10 and didn't notice interm going back on till I was clicking ok. Race over. I gotta come around on icey tires. Spin in front of Nige and he had no place to go. So now on icey tires with engine damage and wheel clocked at 5 to go straight. Limped back to puts and proceeded to make up something. 12/12. Worked my way up by staying clean. Captured a 10th. Remove that silly double stop and I could been in the running for mid pack. could of would of should of.

All in all learned a bunch about the NSX in rain. As well just driving in it. Happy to finish the race at all. Did so with a smile.



Congrats Tony in his incredible run today.


Also take my hat off to GV27. He had the worst race one could imagine. However he was on track driving when the checkered flag flew! No quit in that boy. Game!

 

[Joshua1994]

Real nice racing in D2 guys.

First lap we started off within a pack of 4. Wardez, Paginas, Litchi and Me. Pretty much door to door racing up until Rivage, as Wardez lost control on the grass taking Paginas out, leaving Litchi and Me to lead the race.

I pretty much let him lead the race as I was going to take his pit strategy. We pitted around lap 10. Litchi left the pits much earlier than me, as I'm assuming he didn't add any gas. I ended up adding 27 litres and pretty much sat there bored as the fuel gauge slowly rose. I think at this point, Muzz and Dr Dre passed me so I was back down to 4th, but it was no problem, I had fresh tires.

Eventually caught up to Dre (I think), and passed into 3rd. Then I'm pretty sure as soon as I caught up to Litchi and Muzz, they pitted. So from then on, I raced on my own.

Didn't help from lap 13 I badly needed to go pee......

Anyway, yeah from then on I raced on my own, with the odd little overtakes/being overtook from pitting, people pulling out of pits etc etc.

But a fun race overall, kinda wish it rained to make it a little bit more interesting though!

 

[CSLACR]

But a fun race overall, kinda wish it rained to make it a little bit more interesting though!

We just did full rain, and I learned a few things.

1. Full rain races from start to finish are tedious, and boring as hell.
2. In rain races, NSX's don't stand a chance.
3. The smartest thing in the world to do in the rain is drive slow enough that it's impossible to crash. I spun, slid, got damage and made extra stops all over today, ended up losing at least a minute and a half through my antics.

4. Tony is awesome in rain too, so you do not want to race him in the rain, ever.

 

[RIP_Welsh_Don]

But a fun race overall, kinda wish it rained to make it a little bit more interesting though!

You didn't want the monsoon Division 1 got, I can promise you that. 100% surface water by lap 5 or so and rained heavy all the way to the chequered flag!

A war of attrition for sure and huge congratulations to Tony for an epic drive and to Wii and Dom for the podium spots. Well done to all who stuck it out in truly miserable conditions!!

 

[paulmac2k9]

Josh trust me you wouldnt have liked the D1 room in the YMS (which is very similar to the NSX) .

Seems CSL and Welsh thought the same .

 

[Joshua1994]

I'll take it that you guys thoroughly enjoyed the rain then.. hahahaha

 

[PureGTMuzz]

I really enjoyed my race today but I cocked it up a little.

I only pitted twise when it shoulda been 3 times. My que shoulda been the pile up on lap one. Then on my 1st pit I filled the car full of gas by mistake making for a laboured 2nd stint instead on running a bit faster with less fuel on board.

Well done Josh and I must thank Litchi for driving so well behind me for a lap or so on good tyres when mine were dead. Nice one mate, big respect.

 

[GV27]

Thanks Owens. 👍

Today I cried. This was even worst than Monza, for me. Especially considering I had a great qualifying and very good first laps on the inters. But after that, everything went downhill. I crashed three laps on a row after putting rain tyres (Lap 8 I think?) and from then on I was going massively slow and spinning all around the place. I seriously wondered where the grip was, since I did a ridiculously bad race.

 

[Wardez]

Before you become a sword you must first face the fires of the forge.

 

[Biffy]

Before you become a sword you must first face the fires of the forge.

Now that is pure wisdom if I ever saw it Mind if I put it in my sig?

Sorry to just come out of nowhere, but GV, if you can make it through all that and still finish the race, then you can take anything GT5 throws at you. WSGTC S2 race at Nurb 24hr was a similar affair, rain from start to finish, I almost made it to the finish only to be denied by my mother switching off the internet 2 hours and several minutes in Be proud, because full wet weather endurances are probably the toughest test you will ever encounter in GT5.

 

[Litchi]

yeah, Really good team race today, I'm very proud of my teammate!!! Well Done Josh 👍

I take the lead at 1st lap with Josh because of an Ed's mistake... We done a very nice 1st stint. We pit at the end of lap 10. But I decided to add only 10 liters, this is why my pit was quick Josh . I caught up Muzz at lap 12 (I think) and I'm extremely careful when I'm behind a guy with worn tires. So, I wait. I was so careful that I broke too much at La source and pouf, I hit the wall. Front damage. Pit at lap 14. So my goal now was to keep my 2nd position. Done.

 

[Müle]

Thanks Owens. 👍

Today I cried. This was even worst than Monza, for me. Especially considering I had a great qualifying and very good first laps on the inters. But after that, everything went downhill. I crashed three laps on a row after putting rain tyres (Lap 8 I think?) and from then on I was going massively slow and spinning all around the place. I seriously wondered where the grip was, since I did a ridiculously bad race.

Hats off to this man right here.

 

[GV27]

Main problem was that my dry tune had 55 rear wing grip, to help with car rotation a bit... and I basically didn't even think about putting it on 65 for a possible wet race.

And thanks, Biffy (and Mule, too) 👍 , but I would've been proud if I hadn't finished 2 laps down the next competitor. *Sigh*. At least next time it rains I'm sure I won't be using lower aero...

EDIT: True, Eddie, true...

 

[Dr_Watson]

D1 points are up. I'm assuming all the fast laps will come from those who were not in a Belgian Typhoon.

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So everything I'd seen previous suggested that a 50% rain storm wouldn't flood the track until the end of the first stint of a 2 stop so I started on slicks. BTW, I wish you'd given us a minute to see how hard it was raining... with 10s to grab'n'go it was impossible to do anything but make an assumption.

So apparently GT5's version of Spa has the spirit of the real track because we got an unseasonable monsoon. So I skate around on slicks for one lap and then the rain gague is crossing 30%. It looks like Tony and Brosif made the same mistake as me as he was falling back badly and came in right behind me. While Tony's blue car was waiting in the stall for us. I also was caught out now with my dry setup so corner exits were all a really touchy affair. In the early going I ended up looping it once at each end of the straight.

Went onto inters underestimating the torrential dounpour we were in once again. The smart money would have been to go with my gut and jump right to full wets. The inters were "ok" for a lap or two then I was cursing myself for being a fool in the pit stall. So back I go at the end of Lap 5. So in the first 5 laps I'd made two stops just due to bad tire mistakes and was getting set for a gloomy time-trial of rain lapping.
Amazingly after looking at the replay it looked like tony did the same short-stop on inters that I'd done... but he still crushed us all.

Bravo rain king. Nailed the fastest 100% wet lap with an impressive 2:36.707. Interestingly I watched it from your car (Lap 18 btw) and you were basically doing exactly what I was trying to do. We were pretty even for most of the lap except you were killing it from Pouhon to Blanchemont. Well done 👍 (oh and I also noticed in the a-spec time trial you have a monster time in the 2J @ wet-spa. was 2nd overall when I saw it 👍)

Once I settled in and learned the limits of the back end I ran on 2 sets of wets doing pretty solid 2:40 average pace with a best of 1:38.9. That surprisingly hoisted me up into a battle for the podium. Wii had checked out with 2nd and was a mile up the road but me, csl and ansem were in the hunt for 3rd. I'd gotten by CSL in the pits, then Ansem on the kemmel straight a few laps later. And everything was all nicely setup for a podium for Autech Motul after a horrid start and then my worn tires and dry setup bit me in Stavelot on lap 36... Did a lazy unrecoverable drift @ 100mph off to the right shoulder. Spun it around on the grass and jumped back down the road off the racing line but my ~10s gap to CSL had slid away and the Denso rumbled by and came home 3rd. (you can have the ballast )

GJ everyone. My hats off to tony and GV especially. Out of a long list of impressive feats this was the most impressive I've seen. GJ 👍
And GV for hanging in there. Everytime I saw your car I felt for you man; seemed to go from bad to worse to apocalyptic out there. 👍

 

[Denilson]

Before you become a sword you must first face the fires of the forge.

True, so true!

👍


Tim k, it's not the rain, it's the surface weather that determine your level of grip. It was set to 0. And since it was raining, one could assume it's going to get gradually more slippery perhaps.

Reason why I wanted all to jump in to the track instantly was because I did not want one to go to track with rains, and 5 min later, someone else enter track when the sun is starting to shine. It was a simple case of fairness. 👍

 

[RIP_Welsh_Don]

@Tim, is it me or is the table accounting for 3 dropped rounds now?

 

[Dr_Watson]

Ballast

SuperSic's passenger continues the yo-yo diet and goes back up to the max 120kg
WiiFreak comes home 2nd and picks up +40kg
CSL piles on +20kg to go back up to 60kg

Litchi, RedRevos, Denilson, and Welsh_Don all drop 20kg which puts Litchi and Denilson back to ground 0.

 

[Dr_Watson]

@Tim, is it me or is the table accounting for 3 dropped rounds now?

Hold your sheep I was taking care of the ballast first. ;P

Standings are accurate for d1 now, just need all the d2 numbers to finish it up.

BTW, Nige before you do the math, You, Dennis and Dom can all still catch Tony but you've got to all beat him every week. Podium lock-outs are the only way to go. GL HF


and @ Brosif: High-Five... with today's strong finishes we closed the gap and are now tied up with ye'ol Stealth NSX.

Tim k, it's not the rain, it's the surface weather that determine your level of grip. It was set to 0. And since it was raining, one could assume it's going to get gradually more slippery perhaps.

Reason why I wanted all to jump in to the track instantly was because I did not want one to go to track with rains, and 5 min later, someone else enter track when the sun is starting to shine. It was a simple case of fairness. 👍

The weather determines how quickly the surface water adds up. A light rain-storm will wet the track about 1/2% per min while a heavy dounpour like we got will dump about 5% per minute. When I entered the track surface water was 0 then I noticed when you hit go it was already > 5 and too late to get new shoes. That's when I realized that we were in a heavy storm not a light one.

 

[Denilson]

Thta's exactly why I wanted everyone to choose tyres asap.

If everybody does it in the same time, it's as fair as possible, right?
I believe I was first to hit the track, and I choosed inters..

Let's just leave it.. no more rain this season after all..
Or perhaps Suzuka btw..

 

[SuperSic]

Thanks to everyone for their kind words. As Tim mentioned, i had a go at the Seasonal TT at Spa wet, and that probably played an important role in my performance today.

My race was far from ideal, but it seems nobody had an ideal race so things worked out well. I did a few strategy mistakes, but fortunately no driving mistakes.

I wanted to raise a point regarding blue flag situations. I had a hard time lapping some guys out there today and if the race was close,i could easily lose some positions because of it. I don't wanna go into details, it's not the point, i just want to remind you guys that lapping isn't an easy task, especially with the new ''dirty air'' feat and water spray, and when heavy damage is on, things can get messy. So what i would like is to start a discussion on this matter in order to agree on a specific rule that will state when the gap between two cars in different laps is small enough to dictate a Blue flag.

My opinion is that as long as the 2 drivers are within less than a second, Blue flag is out the driver 1 lap behind should slow down and leave the racing line in the nearest straight. (I don't care about leaving or staying on the racing line as long as it is specified.)

 

[Dr_Watson]

Thta's exactly why I wanted everyone to choose tyres asap.

If everybody does it in the same time, it's as fair as possible, right?

Just as fair as letting everyone have a look at the track conditions first

All good though, it's Spa ... That's what the evil in that forest does. People are supposed to constantly second guess their tires. We're just lucky GT can't make it rain at Le Source and dry at Rivage.

 

[Denilson]

Thanks to everyone for their kind words. As Tim mentioned, i had a go at the Seasonal TT at Spa wet, and that probably played an important role in my performance today.

My race was far from ideal, but it seems nobody had an ideal race so things worked out well. I did a few strategy mistakes, but fortunately no driving mistakes.

I wanted to raise a point regarding blue flag situations. I had a hard time lapping some guys out there today and if the race was close,i could easily lose some positions because of it. I don't wanna go into details, it's not the point, i just want to remind you guys that lapping isn't an easy task, especially with the new ''dirty air'' feat and water spray, and when heavy damage is on, things can get messy. So what i would like is to start a discussion on this matter in order to agree on a specific rule that will state when the gap between two cars in different laps is small enough to dictate a Blue flag.

My opinion is that as long as the 2 drivers are within less than a second, Blue flag is out the driver 1 lap behind should slow down and leave the racing line in the nearest straight. (I don't care about leaving or staying on the racing line as long as it is specified.)

All I know is that it's extremely hard to have a "rule".. because each situation is unique out there (when it comes to lapping).
You lapped me on the kemmel straight, and even tho I knew I could make it to Les Combes way ahead of you, I decided to stay right on the straight and totally slow down. Cause I know how hard it is to judge just a small speed difference. So make sure to make every move as obviuos as possible. I don't know if you remember, but I slowed down quite a bit on the kemmel straight to let you by as efortless as possible.

What's important when letting a faster car by is that the actions of the slower driver must be extremely obvious.
The faster car can't judge as easy when the slower car is about to let him by, if the slower car just slows down a tad.

What I'm trying to say is that we could have a rule that says something like:

"Beeing lapped by a faster car:
Make sure to slow down enough, so that the faster car do not have doubts about your intentions.
The spot should be at a place where the faster driver loose as little time as possible, preferbaly on a huge straight."

 

[Wardez]

Yeah, that makes sense, a good general rule of thumb.

A person being lapped should never put up a fight if they're smart either. If a car's obviously faster and about to lap you, holding them up just hurts both of you. It's a lot better to try and at least catch a bit of draft off him by letting him by easily. It's understandable not to give up position if you're going through a tight section somewhere, like Monaco where you can really only safely give it up on the main straight. But most every track is wide enough to let people by easily. So a good rule would be to not hold up an obviously faster driver up for more than one lap.

No penalties should be given out, but a talking to, yes.

 

[RIP_Welsh_Don]

I wanted to raise a point regarding blue flag situations. I had a hard time lapping some guys out there today and if the race was close,i could easily lose some positions because of it. I don't wanna go into details, it's not the point, i just want to remind you guys that lapping isn't an easy task, especially with the new ''dirty air'' feat and water spray, and when heavy damage is on, things can get messy. So what i would like is to start a discussion on this matter in order to agree on a specific rule that will state when the gap between two cars in different laps is small enough to dictate a Blue flag.

My opinion is that as long as the 2 drivers are within less than a second, Blue flag is out the driver 1 lap behind should slow down and leave the racing line in the nearest straight. (I don't care about leaving or staying on the racing line as long as it is specified.)

I understand where you're coming from Tony, although not in the situation myself too much, lol. The only thing that can make it a little difficult is knowing for sure it is a lead car behind you. Today, near the end of the race I passed you as you were in the pits and saw you re-enter track not too far behind. I then kept an eye on your blue arrow on my map. As soon as you closed in, I made sure to move over, however my car did get a little slippery at the time and it may have un-nerved you somewhat . In this instance it was easy for me as I was expecting you, but for others it may be harder and until they take a double check in their mirror, they may not be aware. It's especially difficult four you Tony with a fat, slow GTR, so passing from the draft is difficult and passing elsewhere in the wet can be compromising. Something to think about for sure.

@Tim, thanks for update, I just assumed the table would automatically update once the points were entered for the round, sorry for not penning the Sheepies in longer lol

 

[CSLACR]

I think a main issue is when passing a lapped car that either passes you back before the turn, or comes right up behind you like they might.

 

[paulmac2k9]

I hope I wasnt one of them Tony . Everytime you got close I tried to jump out of the way Asap.