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[CSLACR]

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[The Outlaw]

Ouch for me. The GT5 server failures on Sunday effected me strongly. I have been lucky enough to be disconnect free for the most part with GT5. Guess it was my turn. Horrible timing as I was most likely to take 4th behind the big 3 at Spa in the main, and had a good car for the Sprint.

Nothing I can do, but put my head down and try and get the results that will put me back in Div1.

Damn, that is horrible timing partner And to top it off, now you're only going to be put on your back foot even further considering the next race is at Nurb GP (not an ideal track for the NSX), and your team mate (me ) is carrying a bit of ballast, meaning the testing/tuning isn't quite as useful to you either. At least you have a positive/fighting outlook that will surely bring you back to D1 soon enough though. Not to mention that your pace seems to be improving slowly but surely, which is awesome to see 👍 It's just too bad you face some tough competition (particularly with Noss & Replay I would imagine) to clear in D2 atm

Either way, it should be interesting (and a great challenge) to see if we can manage to fight for the Team Championship in the later stages of the series.

I totally agree.👍
Ballast imo is an advantage the NSX has, an unavoidable one too. Because the car is so unbalanced, thr first 75KG or so being thrown on the front simply levels the car out, whereas the GTR's start with great balance, so it's all just dead weight on them, combined with a narrow powerband means the acceleration is also hurt a bit more.
The Nordschliefe to me is a GTR track, lap times should be very similar, but if lap times are the same, the GTR always has the stability ease-of-use benefit.

I do know in any case it's also completely dependent on the driver as well. I know my lap times don't favor the NSX as much as it does for some of you guys.

I for one and not really sure what to think in regards to what car is going to benefit most when the ballast is slapped on (particularly at 60kg and up). From my prior experience with the GT-R, and even at the Inter-league GT500 race last weekend, the GT-R surely doesn't mind a fair bit of ballast torward the rear in order to reduce understeer and improve tire wear.

With the NSX I haven't really done enough testing to really get a clear enough picture on how the ballast positioning affects the car ultimately (particularly with my current 60kg of ballast). The thing with the ballast is (as you probably already know) - if you shift 60kg all the way from the front to say the rear of the car, you then have to do some rather moderate adjustments to iron out the balance of the car and prevent negative dynamics from happening. And being that GT5 doesn't really have much in the way of usable telemetry for tuning, it becomes the usual game of chasing your tail trying to figure out what really works best in the end, by feel, lap times, tire wear, etc. Of course when it comes to this, being knowledgeable in the area of tuning (particularly in GT5) helps to a large degree, but at a certain point it all becomes a trial and error thing by going out on track and feeling/seeing what truly works.

With that said, I think with the NSX it's probably a safer bet running the ballast torward the front, particularly in the race where being able to manage your tire wear throughout each stint is usually more important than having that last tenth or 2 advantage early in the stint. But in the qualifying where tire wear generally takes a back seat to all out pace over 2 flying laps, things become a bit more questionable/unclear...at least in my rather brief amount of testing/tuning thus far at Nurb F/G. I also find it rather strange how you gain a pp with the NSX if you run the ballast all the way torward the rear vs the front...this might possibly say something for it's poential...I dunno

Still only 2 (me and Litchi) who've done quali?

How about tony? He said he needed to put a lap in yesterday because he was leaving from home, and wont be back until race time..

I take it that Tony's 55.04x was just done during practice then?

"I ran my qualifyer.. Got a 56.114 and happy with that.. Then tony1311 joined the track.. And at 1190 kg, he ran a 55.04X.. Ok that the GT-R got the upper hand here, but boy do I feel abused when watching him go."

 

[CSLACR]

All cars gain PP by shifting weight towards the rear, even fwd's. The game doesn't recognize 50/50 as optimal, but instead finds 1/99 more potent. I haven't found a car or certain weight balance for it to stop adding PP for rearward bias either. It seems infinite.

 

[posimosh]

Which also means we'll need a new dedicated host for D2 for at least the next two rounds. It'll either be TnJ or Litchi.

I often host in other leagues, and I know the routine for verification. Someone else can take charge of the room if need be but I have a rock solid connection, so if you need me to host, I can

 

[posimosh]

I totally understand your questions.

Because this championship was invitation only, all drivers took part in creating all rules, regulations, procedures, car specs etc..
So there was no need for a detailed OP.

Most important stuff is in the OP now, but some things that would be helpful for a new driver like yourself are not..

So here we go..

14 cars, 14 teams, 28 drivers
Nissan XANAVI NISMO GT-R
Nissan YELLOWHAT GT-R
Nissan AUTECH MOTUL GT-R
Nissan CALSONIC IMPUL GT-R
Nissan STEALTH GT500 GT-R
Nissan XANAVI NISMO Z
Honda RAYBRIG NSX
Honda TAKATA DOME NSX
Honda ARTA NSX
Honda STEALTH GT500 NSX
Lexus PETRONAS TOM'S SC430
Lexus DENSO DUNLOP SARD SC430
Toyota YELLOWHAT SUPRA
Toyota CASTROL TOM'S SUPRA

The above listed cars are included in the team championship since every car was assigned to 2 drivers.

Then, we have 6 cars that we have named "Customer Cars".
These cars are there for any (invited) driver who want to take part, but can not commit to 100% (100% = race in 8/10 races), but still want to race in this group.
A customer driver can also be one like yourself, who's varifyed clean and respectful (I've heard nothing but good about you), and want to race in a team on a regular basis (a 100% driver).
We're at the moment 27 drivers.
All cars listed above are occupied by 2 drivers, except one of the RAYBRIG NSX's.
Remy_K (bluesix), who drove it had to attend to work on our race time, so he had to withdraw from the Championship.

We also had a driver invited who was away in the beginning of the season. He missed out during our carselection process, and had to stand aside.
Now, when Remy_K had to leave, I PM'ed this driver (MaccGyver) if he was interested in the RAYBRIG NSX.
He's at the moment trying to get a feel for the car, and if he feel he can be competative in it, he'll join.
Since he was invited from the very beginning, he got first dibs.

If he do not get back to us within, let's say 24 hours from now, I'd offer that seat to you.

But for now, you're a customer driver, and a customer driver can choose any of below listed machines.
(As you can see, the STEALTH cars are available as customer cars even though it's represented in the team championship. Reason for that is that you can change the number plate on it, which separates it from the regular STEALTH's so to speak.)

Customer Cars:
Nissan WOODONE ADVAN CLARION GT-R
Nissan STEALTH GT500 GT-R
Honda EPSON NSX
Honda STEALTH GT500 NSX
Lexus BANDAI DIREZZA SC430
Lexus ENEOS SC430

Car specifications for each car is listed in the OP.

A customer driver always start out in D2. If the customer driver stays long enough, he got the same opportunity to get to D1 as any of the other drivers. All it requires is to perfom good on a regular basis. The customer driver who is the most commited of them (think we have 6 customer drivers signed up in the OP) will have first dibs as soon as a "regular" car is open due to any reason. This seat then belongs to the customer driver, who at this point is concidered a regular as long as he desires.

A driver can loose his seat if he do not race/act/behave in line with PURE JGTS standards.

I'll ask Wardez to send you the "Purely Speaking" PM, where all details are stated. (I'm not sure I still got that PM in my inbox. If I do, I'll forward it to you. 👍 )

Any questions?

So I guess I'll take either the stealth NSx or Epson NSx, if those aren't available, I'll take the stealth gtr. I'll check back in a bit so I can get to tuning...

 

[PureGTMuzz]

Good one guys in D2 who got promoted. You deserve it.

I'm only glad I never got relegated to D3

BTW I will do my Q shortly for R3.

 

[OwensRacing]

Any rooms up?

 

[Dr_Watson]

mmmm... NISMO Fest provides much car porn.

 

[posimosh]

So I guess I'll take either the stealth NSx or Epson NSx, if those aren't available, I'll take the stealth gtr. I'll check back in a bit so I can get to tuning...

anyone? I was gonna qualify as soon as I know my ride...

 

[posimosh]

I just saw that you guys are in the low 1:56's... Which means I need to practice... Practice a bunch.. I had trouble runnig a 158.9 in the nsx stealth. On the car front as my first choice is the NSX Stealth, I feel as though I should tell you the car number I was going to use... If its available, I will take number 13, if thats not available, I'll be number 66. Is there any news on my car choice btw? Last thing, Owens has a practice room open if anyone wants to join him, I will be in a half hour or so.. see you there!
As for the...

mmmm... NISMO Fest provides much car porn.

...Car Porn... Although the current SuperGT's are cool looking, I wish they would allow more variety in the homaligation specs they currently have, Much like the V8's in the land of OZ and that pre-historic spec series in the States, they are basically silhouettes with cool paint jobs and badges to differentiate them. However, the new Formula Nippon cars by swift are quite cool lookin'. They show what the new indycars could look like had they not chosen the Dallara that they are having so many problems with right now. I wonder what the chances of Kaz incorporating the new Formula Nippon cars in GT5 is?

 

[posimosh]

Here's a picture of the fore-mentioned formula nippon

 

[Denilson]

The Outlaw: Yes, that was practice.. He asked in the thread if anyone could watch his lap.. So I started up a room.. The funny thing was that I was the one who got my lap in.. I asked him if he was in a hurry. But he said he was not..

posimosh: Nr 13 is fine. 👍
I've not yet recieved an answer from MaccGyver. If he do not get back to me within a few hours, you're in the RAYBRIG NSX Team.

You can quali with the STEALTH no matter what. Your time will follow you if you choose to snatch the only regular seat open.. With me in team RAYBRIG.. 👍

 

[MaccGyver]

Sorry I havn't had time to test Den.
Poshimosh looks like he's gonna be dedicated to the series and was prepared for the Raybrig so if he's good to go you should give the spot to him 👍
I'll happily Be a customer or reserve driver if there is space

 

[redreevos]

Are we still posting quali laps to the spreadsheet as well as to Gate19?

Reason I ask, I just posted Dom's(new pole) lap time to Gate19. Should I also post on the spreadsheet?

 

[Wardez]

We're slowly decomissioning the old sheet so just posting to the site's good 👍

thanks Rees.

 

[PureGTMuzz]

CSL, Posi and I just q'd. Posi in the nsx.

Red has put CSL's time up at gate19 and I beleive CSL will put Posi's and my times up when he gets up in the morning.

 

[Denilson]

posimosh: You're in Team RAYBRIG from now. 👍

Tim, can you PM posimosh the invite code for the RAYBRIG NSX?

 

[paulmac2k9]

Just had my first test at Nurb 6-7 laps and im around the 57.5 mark atm hoping I cn find atleast .5 sec more to get myself into the 56s

 

[GV27]

Man I find no way of being fast here! Funny thing is I tend to be quite slow on twisty tracks, which are the best tracks for my car. Talk about odd couples.

I'm on a 57.6, and I don't think I have the speed to go below 57.4 right now. I shall practice more tomorrow, as I don't have that much time today...

 

[CSLACR]

Added posi and muzz's times to site.
http://pure.gate19.net/index.php?page=result&race=3
Posi's looks funny cause the car isn't updated yet.

 

[paulmac2k9]

CSL im running the same setup as Spa (with some minor tweaks) its seems pretty good was just wondering if your doing the same

 

[CSLACR]

CSL im running the same setup as Spa (with some minor tweaks) its seems pretty good was just wondering if your doing the same

I made everything softer, something like this
+13/+7
14.8/12.8
6/6
6/6
2/2

2.5/1.5
0.00/+0.20

LSD down to 7/9/5 too. BB at 4/4

 

[Dr_Watson]

posimosh: You're in Team RAYBRIG from now. 👍

Tim, can you PM posimosh the invite code for the RAYBRIG NSX?

Divisions and Teams have been set.

 

[CSLACR]

Divisions and Teams have been set.

Is there somewhere in there that shows who's racing in what division?

 

[Dr_Watson]

Is there somewhere in there that shows who's racing in what division?

not yet... other than when you qualify it splits the order by division.
probably a good feature to add though when I add the ballast table.

Nice that I have the next 4 days off though because I have to re-think a few things. so that historical information is tracked... right now it's all "current" so pulling remmy off team raybrig means his points followed him to customer car land. Those points should probably stay with the team.
Also I just thought of a bug yesterday where if we edit any of the previous qualifying sheets (which we shouldn't need to do, but...) it will eff things up because of the divisional re-alignment.

btw, if you're bored I was about to turn on the ps3 and get my first nurF practice for the week.

 

[CSLACR]

Can't for a few hours yet.

There was another idea I had for the site, can't remember what now though...
Edit: Oh, a way to view the current standings with a dropped round, and I guess later in the season to view with 2 dropped rounds. I liked that in FMSC.

 

[Litchi]

@Josh:
Wow, sorry man, i forgot to share you my setup.

Well, try this:

Car:Toyota YMS Supra
Track: Nürburgring GP/F
PAD DS3

Gear Ratio:
1- Reset to Default
2- Final Gear: 5000
3- Max speed: 240km/h
4- Final Gear: 3800

Then, set your gears 1 by 1:
1st: 2807
2nd: 2075
3rd: 1610
4th: 1315
5th: 1115
6th: 0983


LSD: 7/14/5


Suspensions:

2 / 0
13.4 / 10.7
8 / 6
5 / 4
5 / 3

0.5 / 1.2
0.55(quali), 0.20(race) / 0.12

Brake Balance: 7 / 5 (quali)---- 6 / 4 (race)

 

[Müle]

People are getting 55's?

Really?

 

[Dr_Watson]

Can't for a few hours yet.

There was another idea I had for the site, can't remember what now though...
Edit: Oh, a way to view the current standings with a dropped round, and I guess later in the season to view with 2 dropped rounds. I liked that in FMSC.

Yeah I was going to turn the drops on about mid-season (already written, just commented out )... not really useful until people have > 4 races on the table.

 

[CSLACR]

People are getting 55's?

Really?

Alien track.
If they didn't have ballast they'd be running 54's.
I need some more practice...