PURE | JGTS - Going on strong and adapting in the face of change!

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Oh well, I don't think you're slow at all!! With the Integras you were still giving me a run for my money, pretty often. And you were 4th on last year's WSGTC GT300, with a win, too!

I try not to think "luck" is something that matters much. When a driver gets caught in this kind of stuff too often, that means there must be a reason for it!! Thanks for your support (and I extend these thanks to all of you, really); and believe me there's hardly anyone who's more stubborn than me. I tend to be the kind of person who complains a lot, but then when the time comes, doesn't stop trying, really.

I don't think my driving's bad, but it still needs A LOT of improvement if I want to get even one good result. To begin with, I should learn to use manual transmission, and I should learn how not to wear the tyres as much as I do (I would bet my ass I'm the worst driver in tyre management; I eat the Supra's tyres in the same amount of laps as anyone else with the other cars).

I feel your bad luck, Paul. But I'm sure Monaco can be good for you 👍 so keep pushing!!

PS: I'm going to sleep. Hopefully tomorrow I won't feel like the worst driver ever anymore!! Night everyone!!
 
Ok, so race report time..

Quali:
I did not expect a good result despite my car. All races/qualis I've evr done here have been bad in one way or the other.
What surprised me the first couple of practice laps was that I felt really quick, and managed some corners really well that I've had trouble with gettig right in the past..

I looked at my lap time, and it said 3:50.336.. I looked at the time for a few seconds. Decided to go back in the register and dig up some WSGTC times from this track. Sure, in WSGTC the NSX had 540 bhp and 610 pp, but just as some kind of benchmark.
The fastest lap in that WSGTC race was 3:51.6XX, done by GTP_w-g-e. So by then, I knew my pace was good. So decided to quali instantly.

Got a 2:37.908, and the pole in WSGTC with previous stated specs was 2:38.4XX. Super hapy with my time.
What was a bit sad was that Brock left us, and Aderrrm went out drinking.. I soooo much wanted to compare that time with them, even though I know they had ballast, it would've been fun to see the difference. But either way, my first pole was a fact!! :cheers:

Anyway, on to the race.
I felt extremely confident during the formation lap, and I decided to floor it right between the first 2 chicanes as I thought most expected me to wait as long as possible.
It was a success. Drivers behind me were in sleep mode.. lol
But I did ofc not get a big enough gap to cut the slip. So when finally reaching my breaking point prior 2nd chicane, the driver behind me had a lot of speed, and breaked while in my slip. He could not stop his car, and I got heavy engine damage..
But I did not get that mad actually.. So as I drove down towards the Mulsanne hairpin, cars was passing by.. wrooom, wrooom, wrooom, wrooom.. It felt like 1000 cars passed me.. But in reality, half the field passed me before Mulsanne, and the rest passed me before reaching Indianapolis.
I think I was not dead last, cause RedReevos had a visit in the sand pit in Mulsanne, but he passed me pefore the Porsches.

Red was also damaged, so him and me drove out on lap 2 together. I had a good feeling, cause him and me get along well on track. But boy was I stupid.. Going behind him, in to chicane nr1, I breaked too late, so I bumped him pretty bad. I had no damage, but I was so mad at myself for making such a mistake. It took me half a lap to get over it and get my pace up. So as I'm getting my pace up, we're now going out on lap 3, and a bunch of driver sit in the pits. I assume a big crash must've happened.
GV comes out of the pits ahead of me, bu behind RedReevos.
But I played it cool in the first sector, cause the draft would help me to pass him either way. Then, while slipstreaming GV out on Mulsanne straight, he moves left, so I do to, cause I felt I could slip him for 2 more seconds before passing.. And BAM!!!! From nowhere, I rear end him really hard.. (On Mulsanne??, should've been a bump at most imo). So I recieve damage to both my front suspentions.
By this time, I was like "MAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!". lol
What surprised me was that I did'nt need to pit, cause the car felt ok to drive. It was not a case of when the car want to zig zag.. It went straight, and corners was ok, so decided to stay out.

Me and RedReevos did som co-work during lap 3-5, but he lost it in chicane nr 1, so there I was, alone..
I pitted at lap 7. Was going for the 2 stop strategy (not counting my stop on lap 1), so it was a 1 - 7 - 15 race (shortened the 1st stint due to the damage).

Before I got out on track after my stop at lap 7, 4 cars pased me. tony, OwensRacing, Ansem29 and 1 more, Litchi perhaps..

Going out on lap 8, my car felt like dream.. Was totally different.. Cought up to OwensRacing by lap 10, and by lap 11 I passed a bunch sitting in the pits.
It got dark around this time as well.
I really tryed to push for some fast laps, but with an overtake (OwensRacing) by lap 10, and darkness on it's way, I decided to stay safe.

At this point I was not sure at all about what strategy people was at..
Eventually, I found my self behind Joshua1994, Paginas and Litchi. I was not close enough to reach their draft, but I thought that I soon would. But josh had just been in the pits, so he had fresh tires on his YMS, so I just stayed at the same distance for a few laps.
And by lap 14, I lost Joshua since my 2bd stint was 8 laps due to pitting early (lap 7) because of damage, so my tires in combination with the darkness kept me from pushing it. Every time I got close to Joshua, I lost grip in the front, so it was really dangerous imo.
So comming to lap 15, I was close to Paginas and Litchi. What I was happy about now was that I filled up quite much on my 1st stint (39 liters IIRC), so my second stop was not held up at all due to fuel, but Pag and litchis stops took a few seconds longer. So out on lap 16, I was just seconds behind.
But I did not gain on them initally. Perhaps team yellowhat worked together, or just had a good pace. But as the laps went by, and still no Joshua (he ran in 1st) in the pits, I fighured he must be on a 1 stopper. So I knew that I would gain prety much time in the end. But in the beginning of my 3rd stint, the small time gain did not seem to be enough.

I eventually overtook Litchi. It was the hairiest overtake ever.. I ran about 3 seconds behind them (pag litchi) approaching Indianapolis.. And all of a sudden, ther's a big cloud of dirt ahead of me. I did not se anything.. This was just before the fast right kink prior Indianapolis, so I just turned right out on the grass.. Thru the cloud, out on the track.. managed to slow the car down going in to Indianapolis, and litchi was behind.. Phewww!! :scared:
After that, I cought up to pag by lap 17ish, and when I passed him, I managed to get him off my tail by lap 19 IIRC.

So from here on, it was a fight on a distance with Joshua.. I had 20 seconds to catch up. And had 4 laps to do so (19, 20, 21, 22).. By the end of lap 20, I was starting to believe that I could not catch him fast enough.. But when I crossed the line going out on lap 21, I was 15 seconds behind. I still had good pace, and it was not dark anymore, so I really pushed it here. And the seconds started to drop. Even on Mulsanne straight.
So when reaching mulsanne hairpin on the final lap, I cought up to Joshua. I knew he was on bad tires, so decided to put some pressure. Passed him prior the breakpoint going on to mulsanne, but did not try to overtake, just be close enough to put some pressure. And out of the hairpin, he spun, which gave me a 2-3 second gap. From here on, I made sure to not commit any mistake. So just cruised to the finishline..

My first PURE victory! :cheers:

Overall, I'm ofc happy with the win, but I could've done much better in the race actually.. My best lap was a poor 3:52.1 I think.. Man, I was 2 seconds faster in practice!! But keeping in mind my damage during stin 1, the darkness in stint 2, and the battleing with litchi and pag on the fresh-tire-side of the stint, I guess I'll have to be ok with that. But with so many fast NSX and YMS drivers out there, I'm not confident at all I'm even top 3 with that time..


Btw: Is it just me, or did you guys feel like the night would never end?
 
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Btw: Is it just me, or did you guys feel like the night would never end?
Every single time we do it. Makes the race feel longer too.

Good report, congratulations on the win man, way to persevere! :cheers:
I honestly kind of expected it though, your quali was undeniably awesome.
BTW my best practice lap was 53.5, I didn't run any faster then 54.5 on fresh tires in the last 5 laps without fuel, pushing.
Whether the track or GT5 servers, it was very different driving for me today then in practice.
 
First of all,I've have never seen so many people spinning or have exits in any race i've had. At first i though i was the cause, if i was lagging or something but damn!

Besides that the races was ok, frame-rate drops on the first few laps but nothing major after that. Only problem i had was with GV who was lagging even on straights, going front and back. So on lap 2 i was behind him and decided not to even come close to him cause i was dead 100%. CSL then stormed past me and he probably didn't notice GV's lag so attacked him right away and they had a crash leaving me no place to go. 3 wheels,suspension +engine damage, like a BOSS. I thought my race was done at that point but i never quit races, no matter what, so i kept pushing. Race went well from then on, i was mostly drafting people until they had exits, CSL especially had major problems in the night, funny stuff.On the last lap i had an awesome little battle with Ansem and luckily i came up on top. Fifth place is dreamy. Congrats Den, joshua and Pag.
 
First of all,I've have never seen so many people spinning or have exits in any race i've had. At first i though i was the cause, if i was lagging or something but damn!

Besides that the races was ok, frame-rate drops on the first few laps but nothing major after that. Only problem i had was with GV who was lagging even on straights, going front and back. So on lap 2 i was behind him and decided not to even come close to him cause i was dead 100%. CSL then stormed past me and he probably didn't notice GV's lag so attacked him right away and they had a crash leaving me no place to go. 3 wheels,suspension +engine damage, like a BOSS. I thought my race was done at that point but i never quit races, no matter what, so i kept pushing. Race went well from then on, i was mostly drafting people until they had exits, CSL especially had major problems in the night, funny stuff.On the last lap i had an awesome little battle with Ansem and luckily i came up on top. Fifth place is dreamy. Congrats Den, joshua and Pag.
You did awesome considering ballast and speed today.👍

I guess you could tell I was missing apexes by 40 feet? :lol: (Literally too)
Hopefully I didn't hold you up, I assume I didn't because after a bit you stopped passing me, even gave me hope of losing you. I just couldn't get through a lap without making a big mistake (or a little mistake in every corner too) that cost 1-2 seconds a lap, sometimes more. :yuck:

Was really hoping you'd pass me and we'd take turns passing on each straight and gain time though. It just didn't feel stable enough and I wasn't confident enough to bump draft you, I'd rather have someone shoot by with draft where I can sit back .5-.8 off them and do the opposite on the next straight.
 
You did awesome considering ballast and speed today.👍

I guess you could tell I was missing apexes by 40 feet? :lol: (Literally too)
Hopefully I didn't hold you up, I assume I didn't because after a bit you stopped passing me, even gave me hope of losing you. I just couldn't get through a lap without making a big mistake (or a little mistake in every corner too) that cost 1-2 seconds a lap, sometimes more. :yuck:

Was really hoping you'd pass me and we'd take turns passing on each straight and gain time though. It just didn't feel stable enough and I wasn't confident enough to bump draft you, I'd rather have someone shoot by with draft where I can sit back .5-.8 off them and do the opposite on the next straight.

Holding me up? Not at all, i was happy to be on your draft for such a long period, it helped me out a lot. I wouldn't work with you because honestly i was afraid it wouldn't end up well,plus i knew you needed an extra stop so i wasn't fighting with you directly.
 
Holding me up? Not at all, i was happy to be on your draft for such a long period, it helped me out a lot. I wouldn't work with you because honestly i was afraid it wouldn't end up well,plus i knew you needed an extra stop so i wasn't fighting with you directly.
I probably could have made it on tires, but I had given up on that the prior stint, so I still needed 35 liters of fuel.
But actually I'd have driven better switching and boosting each other, it keeps my attention, which is good at Sarthe.
 
I think for now on, when a host of a series does something you don't agree with, you can always look back, and say to yourself:

"At least they don't pull off **** like this"
 
Just a notification:

Since we from now on will run 12 cars in each division, the point table is re-worked. It now looks like this:

D1 Feature:
32, 30, 28, 26, 24, 22, 20, 18, 16, 14, 12, 10
D1 Sprint:
16, 15, 14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5
D2 Feature:
16, 14, 12, 10, 8, 6, 4, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2
D2 Sprint:
8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1

Bonus points:
Quali:
Pole: 3p, 2nd: 2p, 3rd: 1p
Fastest Lap: 3p, 2p, 1p (Have to be 3 different drivers)

race Completion Bonus is most likely scrapped (I'm currently discussing it with Eddie).
Reason: The idea was initially to promote driver to finish the races in WSGTC. But since we have much higher expectations, and more strict rules regarding rage quits, the only thing this completion bonus is to make even bigger gaps between drivers. It's tough enough to get a DC. But on top of that, loose out on 10 points more than according to the point table only is just not fair, and it does more harm than good.

We're now going on a 3 (2) week break, so while we're getting ready for the 2nd part of this championship, the point tables will be reworked. We hope that it will be up and running before 2011 ends.

So with this in mind, here's the table as it stands right now with the new point table implemented, and all drivers that left us are deleted from the tables and race results.

This table miss the fastest laps at the La Sarthe race (Will add those when I've downloaded the replay file):
1. tony1311: 143p
2. GV20-: 117p
3. chorda: 112p
4. Wardez: 110p
5. GTP_Aderrrm: 107p
6. Paginas: 104p
7. Joshua1994: 87p
8. WiiFreak: 86p
9. GTP_Welsh-Bain: 85p
10. RedReevos: 81p
11. TnJF: 68p
12. Ansem29_GTPlay: 64p
13. GTP_CSL: 55p
14. LitchiGTPlay: 46p
15. BrosifDuder: 41p
16. OwensRacing: 39p
17. El_Aliens69: 31p
18. PureGTMuzz: 26p
19. Minion07: 26p
20. posiloan: 22p
21. Neomone: 21p
22. Scanny_Flick: 20p
23. paulmac2k9: 15p
24. MULE_9241: 9p

Team Standings
CALSONIC IMPUL: 241p
TAKATA DOME: 201p
CASTROL TOM'S: 181p
RAYBRIG NSX: 159p
YMS SUPRA: 131p
YELLOWHAT: 124p
STEALTH NSX: 122p
ARTA NSX: 117p
AUTECH MOTUL: 107p
STEALTH GT-R: 94p
DENSO DUNLOP: 64p
XANAVI Z: 57p
PETRONAS: 50p


We'll still allow 2 dropped rounds.

Oh, and one more thing. NO points at all will be handed out if a driver is not in the room when the race is completed. See it as a wreck. Since we allow 2 dropped races, it won't be an issue. If you're unlucky to get DC'd, though luck!
We've been trying too hard to cover each possibility out there.. These new rules are PURE.. 👍


Still waiting to end my discussion with Eddie regarding all this before anything is final.
 
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Nice 1 chaps. Couldn't agree more with what you are doing. Adapting to the current conditions is a great thing if implimented in a fair and reasonable way, which it is IMHO.

It is a learning curve that rectifies omissions or mistakes in the initial thinking and can only be a good thing for the series and the NEXT series will be so much the better for it. 👍👍👍
 
Good one Dennis; I was just wondering, though, when you say the drivers who left us are removed from the race results, does that mean that the drivers behind them gain positions? Just wanted to know, as I try to keep track of my results and make a statistic 👍

EDIT: I calculated the points and that's the way it works. I solved it myself already! :P
 
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Good one Dennis; I was just wondering, though, when you say the drivers who left us are removed from the race results, does that mean that the drivers behind them gain positions? Just wanted to know, as I try to keep track of my results and make a statistic 👍

EDIT: I calculated the points and that's the way it works. I solved it myself already! :P

As you've already fighured, that's the way it works.
All results are deleted that belonged to a drop out driver.

So some gain positions, fastest laps and quali bonus. See it like the ones who dropped out never even raced.

The team points however, do keep points earned from previous drivers. Just to let you know.
So Remy_K's points that he collected for the team is still there. Same goes for The Outlaw in the TAKATA team and REPLAY in the PETRONAS. 👍
 
Just a notification:



Still waiting to end my discussion with Eddie regarding all this before anything is final.

I smell some work in my future over the holiday break.

Lots of good news in the rules front this week Den, think we're on the right track. Not sure I agree with messing with races that have already been run though.
Two of the people that dropped were carrying ballast, you re-jigger the results from those previous races and people are getting the points pay-out of a podium finish but not the ballast. But you can't retroactively apply ballast since we've run more races... IMO let the past stay the past.
 
I smell some work in my future over the holiday break.

Lots of good news in the rules front this week Den, think we're on the right track. Not sure I agree with messing with races that have already been run though.
Two of the people that dropped were carrying ballast, you re-jigger the results from those previous races and people are getting the points pay-out of a podium finish but not the ballast. But you can't retroactively apply ballast since we've run more races... IMO let the past stay the past.

Exactly what I was thinking.
 
I want the final table to reflect the performance from the drivers who stay commited.
Ballast is an issue, yes. But not that big of a deal in the end.

No matter how we do it, there's always a flaw somewhere.. So for now, we'll go ahead as stated. Hope that's ok.
 
I'm lost lol.

what's changed oh I'm 23 today wooo lol

Happy Birthday mate :cheers::D

Say the results went like this from the first race of the season.

Driver A: 1st
Driver B: 2nd
Driver C: 3rd
Driver D: 4th

Driver C left the championship a few races later. The points are adjusted so that Driver D now takes C's 3rd position. It's unfair, Driver D is now claiming for points he did not earn, whilst missing out on 20kg ballast.

And personally if you are doing this, I don't see what the major problem is with giving them people who have moved up, the ballast they rightly deserve.
 
Happy Birthday mate :cheers::D

Say the results went like this from the first race of the season.

Driver A: 1st
Driver B: 2nd
Driver C: 3rd
Driver D: 4th

Driver C left the championship a few races later. The points are adjusted so that Driver D now takes C's 3rd position. It's unfair, Driver D is now claiming for points he did not earn, whilst missing out on 20kg ballast.

And personally if you are doing this, I don't see what the major problem is with giving them people who have moved up, the ballast they rightly deserve.

I agree. It's simple logic. Unless you want to give slower drivers a chance to catch up on the standings, but i think there are already many rules that are doing exactly that, no need for another.
 
We can absoluteley apply ballast to the ones who have moved up. It's just that up to this last round, it's impossible to sort.. But from round 5 = No Problem 👍

But I do not agree with "did not earn".. The one who got 4th, with a non participating driver in 3rd, it's unfair that that the driver in 4th are missing out on points because of a "ghost" imo..
 
wonder how much of this thread is devoted to policy discussion vs. racing?
just me or is it really starting to vacuum the fun out of the room?

on a lighter note... ever notice that you can click and drag the bottom right corner of the quick-reply box to re-size it? Try it, it's fun.
 
wonder how much of this thread is devoted to policy discussion vs. racing?
just me or is it really starting to vacuum the fun out of the room?

on a lighter note... ever notice that you can click and drag the bottom right corner of the quick-reply box to re-size it? Try it, it's fun.

A lot of policy discussion, but it is necessary. Yes. Nope. You're right, it is fun!
 
It's all about contribution... I would love to see more race reports for sure.. I try to contribute with both..

I'm officially out from this discussion from now, and 18 hours forth..
Christmas party with work.. Woop, woop :cheers:
 
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I would love to see more race reports for sure..


I am planning on putting one together for my perspective of the D2 race but work keeps getting in the way. I will get it published sooner than later.
 
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