PURE | JGTS2-Congratulations to champions tony1311 and team Xanavi Z!

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CSLACR
People controlled their cars exiting tight first corners every race this year though.


I understand the concerns and dislikes of the start line at Spa, but changing the location of where drivers need to be careful doesn't change that they need to be careful.
As we can see, 1 driver wasn't quite careful enough.

As for room to avoid cars, did anyone go wide left at all? (off in that huge runoff area) (Edit: checked and not a single car avoided the accident by going into the large runoff area, nor did a single one try)
I think people are reluctant to drive off track to avoid an accident, so by the time we're willing, a crash is inevitable. That's a decent portion of my reasoning on the Kemmel straight.

The extra room at La Source only counts if people use it to prevent an accident. Just like the extra room to the left in turn 1.

Quite frankly this is 3 cars crashing and only 1 more getting caught up in it, so it's not even an issue of a pileup.
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People didn't go off because you have to cross the super slippery greencrete to get to the tarmac run off to the left of La Source. At Les Combes people hit up that black top patch with the speed bumps all the time 'cause of missing their braking points under a heavy draft pull so people would've naturally went for it. Hell, there were two choices, you could've gone right into the grass or even just a bit more to the right still being on track but completely off the racing line.

I wish we could simulate this haha, it would be fun to get a full group of 16 people together just to try starting rollers at different points.
 
twistedfirework
How about f1 style after a safety car?
Single file and then the pole sitter starts the race wherever he likes.
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I tried convincing everyone a year ago that single-file starts where what to use if we're interested in safety @ turn1 (I even made diagrams!). But that argument is a dead end... most people seem to like the bunched up double file simply because it's what SGT uses IRL and no one wants the 16th car starting the race twice as far back. *shrug*
 
SkengD
But how would you sort grid positions and lapped cars etc ?
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Rule updates added to the OP and posted in the news:

11/26/12
Rule updates:
Qualifying -
If a driver crashes during an outlap, crashing before they cross the line for their first flying lap then they will be allowed to reset the qualifying attempt.
Race start -
If three or more cars are involved in first lap incidents due to extenuating circumstances (lag, hardware failures, glitches, black screens) the race will be allowed to restart. This restart will simply be another formation lap of the non-damaged cars while the damaged drivers repair their vehicles in the pits. The race will "restart" once every one is back in order at the same point it regularly started at on the track. All drivers must line back up in regular starting grid order according to qualifying times. If there was a clear offender that caused the crash, the room may elect to have the driver start at the back.
If multiple drivers are disconnected within the first two laps, a total restart will also be allowable as long as someone brings up the point in text chat during the race.
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@Tim
Yeah... I think the 16th car starting twice as far back is enough tbh. And even then, I don't think single file's really all that safer.
 
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Wardez
Rule updates added to the OP and posted in the news:
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Who is allowed to make the call for the latter? We did something like that for FMSC, but in that case, we had a race director that handled all the administrative functions. Having someone (or mutiple) individuals trying to juggle this on a green track is going to be tough.
 
Not tough at all, people just need to speak up, if this weren't JGTS we'd need an administrator but since every one here's well read on the rules and experienced, the people involved in the crash can simply make the call, " Hey, there's three of us that got ****ed over here in T2, restart?" Even drivers that weren't involved in the incident by may have witnessed it can pull over and call for a restart.

I'll have to add that in to the wording though, so there's no doubt on who's allowed to make the call.

@twisted
I really don't like the "let pole decide where to start" it usually ends up being a crapfest since people like to get creative and start in weird places which throws every one off. We intend to keep the pack as tight as can be in the first lap.
 
Wardez
Rule updates added to the OP and posted in the news:



@Tim
Yeah... I think the 16th car starting twice as far back is enough tbh. And even then, I don't think single file's really all that safer.
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Hmmm, I find the physical distance to be the absolute least contributing factor to why it it's difficult to win from the very back.

I'm not sure I could argue that it's safer for sure either. I'm just picturing a row of 15 cars in Tony's draft, all compounding into turn 1. (anywhere turn 1 might be)
 
That may be true when things are ideal and everyone trains through the first couple laps. But the thing is that if there's an accident it gives the leaders a lot more room to get away, leaving those in the back at a lot more of a loss.
 
Wardez
That may be true when things are ideal and everyone trains through the first couple laps. But the thing is that if there's an accident it gives the leaders a lot more room to get away, leaving those in the back at a lot more of a loss.
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Very true.

I still have wet dreams about grid starts. :D
They're so much easier and simpler I just...."pow". ahhhh :) :lol:
 
haha, you wouldn't mind our GT-R's beastly launches? If so then I'm all game :D
 
Wardez
haha, you wouldn't mind our GT-R's beasty launches? If so then I'm all game :D
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Would have loved standing starts in GATE... That FTO -> BOOM!

For the WRS F2010 events we've had so far, we used standing starts (since F1 does). They went very well ... although that was partly because they were practiced (my car was Romaindered once in practice). We started on 3:00 on the race timer following a formation lap, for example(to eliminate black screens).
 
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Next race, are we gonna see the same difference between HSV and others? I have just one race here but, the HSV pace was impressive!
 
The drivers had a part in that Tony is an alien no doubt, he wins in anything. Den I would say is very fast as is CSL :).
 
Wardez
haha, you wouldn't mind our GT-R's beastly launches? If so then I'm all game :D
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GT-R's would be the last of my concerns off the line, that would be the Z's and Supra's, but really they're all so close from a standing start it wouldn't matter. All within .1 at any point down a 1/4 mile, and all within .2 after a whole mile.

The HSV is actually the quickest to 60. ;)
Slowest to a 1/4 mile. ;)
Highest top speed (at aero levels)
Talk about see-saw :D

A couple of us should take these out on SSRX with collisions(draft) off, where we could run all 5 of them at once and see how it pans out exactly. :)

unrealanthony
Next race, are we gonna see the same difference between HSV and others? I have just one race here but, the HSV pace was impressive!
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The cars were tested pre-season and found more equal on these last 2 tracks than any other tracks ran this season.(maybe Laguna/Nurb F)
They were also tested after 2.09 at Suzuka and still found equal there.
 
CSLACR
A couple of us should take these out on SSRX with collisions(draft) off, where we could run all 5 of them at once and see how it pans out exactly. :)


The cars were tested pre-season and found more equal on these last 2 tracks than any other tracks ran this season.(maybe Laguna/Nurb F)
They were also tested after 2.09 at Suzuka and still found equal there.
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Yes, it would be extremely interesting to go to route X.
With the new physics, it might be possible to add the NSX to the lineup again. And this time with less power and better cornering.
The diversity of the field would be amazing.

Imagine:
Nissan XANAVI NISMO GT-R
Nissan AUTECH MOTUL GT-R
Nissan CALSONIC IMPUL GT-R
Nissan YELLOWHAT YMS TOMICA GT-R
Nissan XANAVI NISMO Z
Lexus PETRONAS TOM'S SC430
Lexus DENSO DUNLOP SARD SC430
Honda RAYBRIG NSX
Honda TAKATA DOME NSX
Honda ARTA NSX
Honda WEIDER HSV-010
Toyota CASTROL TOM'S SUPRA

And perhaps even:
Toyota YMS YELLOWHAT SUPRA
Nissan WOODONE ADVAN CLARION GT-R
Honda EPSON NSX
Lexus ENEOS SC430



On the HSV. I keep reading how "superiour" it is since 2.09.
I've done serious testing and found the cars to be extremely evenly matched.

Yes, there's a somewhat advantage to the HSV's spec since you can tweak the aero and make up for that by increasing power.
But we're talking about 514-517 bhp.
I can honestly say that those 3 extra bhp is'nt noticed at all.
At best, the tweak is so small that driver ability still is the deciding factor. The car simply is'nt.
It was the same talk last season about the NSX as well. But no one said anything about the NSX at Monaco, Seca or Nür GP/F.
I can somewhat agree that the differences was too great back then, but over the season, all cars was equal.
 
Yeah the NSX is really fun now, it can totally be in the fold along with bringing back the other Supra. It would be a great field of cars for the next season.
 
Ok guys please help me in welcoming in our newest driver to the Calsonic IMPUL ULTRA team, Losailracer7 aka Sal!

Japan by way of Qatar.

He came to me with a really great attitude from the get go and a very intelligent approach. He let me know he was well read on the rules and that he wanted to get auditioned. So he spec'd up and met me in my lobby. I ran him through an inspection and he passed easily, following direction very well. We raced each other under different circumstances for a good while. He has really great pace and brilliant race craft. He's on our level for sure and I think we can look forward to him adding some great elements to our final two races. He wanted to join a series in order to get as comfortable with racing under pressure as possible since he's currently training for GT Academy Middle East. So this will be a great test. Welcome 👍
 
Welcome Sal. 👍 :cheers:

And welcome to Travis as well while I'm at it. :D :cheers:
 
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outlaw4rc
Think you can fix the practice board so we can put in sector times? I'd like to know which sector I'm getting routed on this week. :lol:
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Motegi is one of the tracks we weren't able to scrounge out of the WRS data. I haven't gotten around to manually looking at the missing tracks to get the sector counts... If you tell me how many there are I can update the DB and it will start working correctly.
 
Denilson
It was the same talk last season about the NSX as well. But no one said anything about the NSX at Monaco, Seca or Nür GP/F.
I can somewhat agree that the differences was too great back then, but over the season, all cars was equal.
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hey now... I complained about the NSX at monaco... because I was stuck behind rees for 1/2 the race going slow in the corners but completely unable to overtake in the tunnel or up the hill. That car was infuriating; it was too slow in the corners so you'd get held up in the twisty bits then get overpowered on the straights. Even if you got by in a corner the NSX could just zoom by and hold you up again at the next set of corners. :P
 
Wardez
Ok guys please help me in welcoming in our newest driver to the Calsonic IMPUL ULTRA team, Losailracer7 aka Sal!

Japan by way of Qatar.

He came to me with a really great attitude from the get go and a very intelligent approach. He let me know he was well read on the rules and that he wanted to get auditioned. So he spec'd up and met me in my lobby. I ran him through an inspection and he passed easily, following direction very well. We raced each other under different circumstances for a good while. He has really great pace and brilliant race craft. He's on our level for sure and I think we can look forward to him adding some great elements to our final two races. He wanted to join a series in order to get as comfortable with racing under pressure as possible since he's currently training for GT Academy Middle East. So this will be a great test. Welcome 👍
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Eddie thanks a lot for introduction very much appreciated.

Guys thanks a lot for the welcome. I am really excited to get racing with you guys. I've been playing GT5 for a really long time and at last I have found the right group to race with.

I actually have another PSN ID back home on my original playstation but I was assigned here in Japan for 3 months. I found out about GT Academy Middle East and I went and got a T500 playstation and started playing. I've been playing non-stop to hone my skills and get ready for GTA.

I will start practicing for this weekends Motegi so we can all have a good race.

BTW I was at Motegi last October for the Motogp and it was wicked. I liked that track from GT5 but since going there I absolutely love it.

Anyways see ya at the track.
 
Wardez
Ok guys please help me in welcoming in our newest driver to the Calsonic IMPUL ULTRA team, Losailracer7 aka Sal!
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Don't want to help one of the teams at the bottom of the score board?
 
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