PURE | JGTS2-Congratulations to champions tony1311 and team Xanavi Z!

[Denilson]

Ok..

10 min formation.. Why?
I can do it, sure.. But why?

14,6 laps is exactly 200 km. And the first 1/3 of the first lap acts as formation.
Spot on imo

 

[Josh_F]

I would like to apologise for what I posted on the forum (especially to Denison) I promise it won't happen again.

 

[Dr_Watson]

No offence to your internet Dennis, but with all the disconnect issues in D1 both weeks is it perhaps better to have the host in western Europe or the US East coast?

 

[Denilson]

Non taken Tim.
It's up to the community.
All I know is that my rooms seem to be the best ones.
What happened at Seca was a rate occation.. But sure, np.

Thanks Josh. Appritiate it. 👍
Let's look forward and forget old mis haps.

 

[OwensRacing]

My race summary.

Got an early lead. Held it till end. Pag caught me and passed me. I finished second. LoL

Lost concentration mid race and killed my lap times for a solid 10-15 laps. Back was really sore and I didn't have a solid put strategy. When I start doing math and trying to race. It don't mix.

Next week. I'll know my pit strategy. Last weeks race was goofed over my pit stops.

Good job Pag.

 

[CodeRedR51]

New thread posted in the Series Planning section at the PURE site.

Opinions greatly appreciated. 👍

 

[carracerptp]

Hi there, i just opened a room: Scion FRS | Subaru BRZ | Toyota GT86, all stock, 410pp, Comfort Softs (C3)
Feel free to join if you guys want: EDIT~ Closed
(i personally drive abs off but room is set on abs allowed, it's up to you )

Thanks for the race 👍

 

[Denilson]

Ok.. Before anyone quali, we need to decide on how to run the qualifyer and race..
Time change?
Weather?
Standard layout?

Imo, if we all Q on the standard layout, it's the same for all, and we don't need to decide exactly how to run the race right now.

I was in a room earlier, and we could'nt decide what to do.. I ran out of time and really hope I'll be able to get my time in tomorrow..

 

[Paginas1]

I had a great race. Must admit even though some people think d2 is the end of the world but damn I've haven't had that much fun in a long time which some great racers.

Started off really good and after the first lap or to I was up to 4th or 5th which was great, until a made a silly error and broke too late at the top of the corckscrew, which ended up with light damage (sorry eailrendur, my bad).
After a few laps with bad damage once again I fell asleep and followed eailrendur into the corckscrew and we spun exactly in the same pace LOL but the good thing was we didn't hit each other so o more damage was caused.
Once I got out of gravel I was 20 secs behind leader. I thought it was all over, until around lap 15-20 I started taking chucks out of the leaders pace.
I thought damn a 1 stopper could work (even with front damage). I went into the pits on lap 27, I think a lap before Owens (I was around 15 seconds behind).
After Owens came out of pits I was suddenly 10 seconds behind. GAME ON! I knew under worn tyres I was faster than him.

I chased him down till the very end which was great fun.

Just got to say that most people being lapped were great but some where just too nice which in a way was more frustrating because I had no clue what line you would take next if you get my point.

 

[RIP_Welsh_Don]

I meant to say, 'Way to go Dan' for the Division 2 win. That was a great effort and should bag us some good Team points 👍

 

[CSLACR]

No offence to your internet Dennis, but with all the disconnect issues in D1 both weeks is it perhaps better to have the host in western Europe or the US East coast?

"All the disconnect issues"?

Please don't say Biffy or Rich, no offense to either.

Ok.. Before anyone quali, we need to decide on how to run the qualifyer and race..
Time change?
Weather?
Standard layout?

Imo, if we all Q on the standard layout, it's the same for all, and we don't need to decide exactly how to run the race right now.

I was in a room earlier, and we could'nt decide what to do.. I ran out of time and really hope I'll be able to get my time in tomorrow..

I started it...
I guess our plan has been to Q on the standard track, and race on time change. I fail to understand why we would Q on a different track than we race on.

Iirc we decided against any rain races for parity reasons, therefore the obvious track selection is with weather totally off to me.

 

[Denilson]

If we run the track with only time change, there's still a possibility that when someone want to quali, it might be dark, dusk, dawn or day..
And if so, do we have to reset the track and have the tire bug as a nice addition..

Imo, if everybody quali on the standard version, there's no need to ever reset the track etc..
It's not like it's another track. It's exactly the same but with a fixed weather and time format that's identical for all drivers.
And no hassle to reset track, start a new room, tire bugs etc..

I ran Nige's Monza Quali today on the standard layout as well..
Can't see what's so bad with that.
We want everyone to quali under identical curcuimstances, right?

 

[CSLACR]

To my knowledge the tire bug only comes in if you change the track itself.

Perhaps it is easier to just use the standard version, but I can't rightfully say that "difficulty" is a factor here.
Unless the tire bug does come in from changing room settings (not track) I don't see anything so difficult to overcome we'd need to qualify on a different track than we'll use for the race, is all.
We're talking about pressing a few buttons, after all.

 

[SkengD]

I havent raced much at sarthe , is there any difference running in the night (tire wear, speed) ?

 

[Müle]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with doing a full formation lap at Sarthe. You can go 100 mph until you reach the Porsche Curves then go to 60.

I fail to see why anyone would actually want to skip the 2nd best part of the track (Dunlop, esses, Tetra Rouge; Porsche Curves are 1st best).


I would Q on the normal track, probably race on the normal track, too, but I would mind a race that starts during the day, and have the last 2 or 3 laps end at night. No weather please.

And as for bumpdrafting, naturally I would be in favour of it, so long as everyone knows how to do it properly. There's situations where passing the guy would be faster, yes (like if you get a huge run; please don't slam draft. that's bad), but also situations where bumping and pushing would be faster as well (ie, you're right behind the guy coming out of Tetra Rouge).

 

[Denilson]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with doing a full formation lap at Sarthe. You can go 100 mph until you reach the Porsche Curves then go to 60.

I fail to see why anyone would actually want to skip the 2nd best part of the track (Dunlop, esses, Tetra Rouge; Porsche Curves are 1st best).


I would Q on the normal track, probably race on the normal track, too, but I would mind a race that starts during the day, and have the last 2 or 3 laps end at night. No weather please.

And as for bumpdrafting, naturally I would be in favour of it, so long as everyone knows how to do it properly. There's situations where passing the guy would be faster, yes (like if you get a huge run; please don't slam draft. that's bad), but also situations where bumping and pushing would be faster as well (ie, you're right behind the guy coming out of Tetra Rouge).

I don't mind doing a full formation lap. But it does take 10 min.
I'm not in favour of going faster than 60 though.
An even pace is a must.
And on that note, how can all 16 cars go thru the Ford chicanes and line up properly before the start?
Perhaps limit the speed to 40 mph after the Porsches to ensure that the grid is clear of Ford chicanes prior to start..
But then again, slowing down is also dangerous from a damage perspective..
Is it possible to hold the start until pole sitter reach the line at the pit exit?
Perhaps limit the speed to 40 mph after the Ford chicanes to ensure that the grid is in position prior to start.
It's the strong accelerations from slow to faster sections that tear the grid apart.. So slow down, and stay at that slower speed until the start is the best option imo.

And the good DUNLOP, esses and Tetra Rouge section is only missed during lap 1 if we start at the old spot..
But as I said, I'm down for either, but we need to sort the speed/gridding issue.

I havent raced much at sarthe , is there any difference running in the night (tire wear, speed) ?

The difference is that the lighting can be different. And that alone is a factor..
On top of that, there's might a possibility that the tire bug appears.

I vote for the standard layout since it ensure a perfectly identical platform to set a Q lap from. Same for all. 👍

 

[CodeRedR51]

I never do good on this track, so not looking forward to this race.

 

[OwensRacing]

Only makes sense to have a consistent track when qualifying.



The pace. I like full laps as well I'm ok with the normal partial lap.

 

[Müle]

100 is fine if we all spread out and don't go near each other. Bunch back up when you get to Porsche. If you need to, you can always extend the start line like at Fuji.

 

[Denilson]

100 is fine if we all spread out and don't go near each other. Bunch back up when you get to Porsche. If you need to, you can always extend the start line like at Fuji.

You've done starts like this at LaSarthe before.. Is'nt the best option to pass the original start line and move it further up, and also to reduce the speed comming out of Ford so we don't get a grid that's misplaced (due to the front cars accelerating away while the main pack tip toe thru Ford) once the start goes?

 

[CSLACR]

So we've established inconsistent laps on the weather/time change course?

If this is so, I assume we won't race the weather/time change course either?

Not to be a smartass, but every "pro" being listed for the non-weather/time course has also been a pro for racing on the standard layout as well.
If the tire bug comes from changing room settings - We'll get it race day. 💡
If the course is somehow inconsistent - It'll be inconsistent on race day.

In my opinion, if the track we plan to race on is somehow so unfitting we cannot qualify on it, it's also unfit for racing.

For the record I think an entire outlap at 60 or 100 sounds dreadful, not to mention the chicane.
We could just as easily grid up before we start the race, so we start in order, and roll off slow to 50mph, and start from the far end of pit lane.

 

[SkengD]

How about replacing sarthe with another track then ?

 

[Denilson]

Dom, if the track is inconcistant, during the race, it's identical to all.. During Q, it's not.
I can Q on the time change layout.. But I hope you do see what I'm trying to say..
I want identical conditions for every one.. Why make it harder?

And I'm not talking abot changing small settings, but the fact that if the time of day once someone want to Q is dusk/dawn/night, we need to reset the track by changing the time of day.. That's where one of my issues are.



LaSarthe will not be replaced.

 

[CSLACR]

How about replacing sarthe with another track then ?

Tracks were voted on.

Why change it though?
It's just a question of if there's any benefit from qualifying on a different track, and if so, does it outweigh the downfalls?

Dom, if the track is inconcistant, during the race, it's identical to all.. During Q, it's not.

LaSarthe will not be replaced.

Like I said, either the tracks are different, or they're not. Neither warrants using different tracks for qualifying than racing.
Either we shouldn't be qualifying on the standard track, or we shouldn't be racing on the weather/time change track.

 

[Müle]

You've done starts like this at LaSarthe before.. Is'nt the best option to pass the original start line and move it further up, and also to reduce the speed comming out of Ford so we don't get a grid that's misplaced (due to the front cars accelerating away while the main pack tip toe thru Ford) once the start goes?

When we did it in the Camaro series, we didn't have a full grid, so there was no problem with the normal startline. I lost the replay, but Tim or Litchi might have it.

 

[CSLACR]

Dom, if the track is inconcistant, during the race, it's identical to all.. During Q, it's not.
I can Q on the time change layout.. But I hope you do see what I'm trying to say..
I want identical conditions for every one.. Why make it harder?

And I'm not talking abot changing small settings, but the fact that if the time of day once someone want to Q is dusk/dawn/night, we need to reset the track by changing the time of day.. That's where one of my issues are.



LaSarthe will not be replaced.

So we won't have to do this on race day?
To my knowledge, it's 100% impossible to set the time/weather settings before you open the room, which means we will, and it doesn't cause the tire bug.

If I'm wrong, I'm still right.
Nothing applies to one and not the other. I have to presume our stewards aren't so hopelessly stupid as to be unable to make a track sunny and weather free.

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

I havent raced much at sarthe , is there any difference running in the night (tire wear, speed) ?

Not that I've noticed. Lap times go up, but that's attributable to the fact that you're going through fast corners in the dark.

 

[CSLACR]

By the way, Laguna setups transfer semi-ok to Sarthe.
Main thing I'd advise is lowering shocks, particularly compression, and arb's.

 

[cicua]

I vote for the standard layout since it ensure a perfectly identical platform to set a Q lap from. Same for all. 👍

👍

In the race however, I would like if we run a time cycle (just no weather).

How about replacing sarthe with another track then ?

Too late, but nice try!

I do not like Sarthe and I expect nothing from this race, other than a probable crash at Mulsanne corner.

 

[Denilson]

👍

In the race however, I would like if we run a time cycle (just no weather

Exactly my point..
It's not like the two tracks are different.. It's just that one of them are identical no matter when/how/who race it.
In Q, that's must.
In the race however, we will use the time change layout with no weather iirc, cause the inconcistant lighting (which can effect lap times) are exactly the same for all.