PURE | JGTS2-Congratulations to champions tony1311 and team Xanavi Z!

[Adam41]

Not sure what happened at the green flag... Tony just seemed to not go anywhere so I assumed I had done something wrong. I let off a tad so that the group could catch up... really wish I hadn't having looked at the replay. ;/

Lap 3, Tony wants to lead going into Porsches as it's the best place to start losing the draft. He goes all the way to the right so I follow, then just blatantly blocks me going into the centre and then slightly back again. Not sure what you were thinking but I'm not sure why you're close quarter racing as gone downhill recently. Have fun for the rest of the season anyway. 👍

Consequently, I have dirty air for the start of the next lap and make a silly mistake.


Watching the replay a few mins a go, it's SICK how many people are running 4 wheels off track and keeping their foot planted. I was watching Tony at the start up to the blocking, and then thought I'd pick a random point in the race where I could see if anyone else was. Lap 11 (just click 'next'), the corner onto the first straight - I counted 7 cars that cut and/or ran wide. 8 counting Dom, but he lifted off and sadly lost the draft to the 2 corner cutters in front. 👎 I admit I did it a few times during the race, but not as badly and half the time I would lift ... but for a group of drivers where we have so many rules and penalties in place, they might as well not exist.

 

[SkengD]

I blame the track , nothing good ever comes out of a race at sarthe

 

[yanaran]

Wish I could've been in this race. I love all variations of la Sarthe, it's the only track I really enjoy racing. Did a mock race in my lounge this morning and got 14.5 laps before I ran out of fuel in the HSV, tires were still driveable!

 

[Denilson]

Adam: I agree.
And I think I'm guilty myself on a couple of occations. 👎

 

[CodeRedR51]

Even cruising along in last by myself I tried my hardes to keep 2 tires on the whole time. I may have gotten close a few times, but I'm fairly confident I was 100% legal the whole time.

 

[OwensRacing]

I was fighting the car the entire race. If I made any offs. I'll accept them penalties. Cause I screwed up the car (major push) and just couldn't get my rhythm. Ran out of gear on strsight and thought i jacked gears wrong way. Totally thrown off on lap 1 and rest was damage control. That and the fact I woke up about 40 minutes before green flag. Expecting an 100 minutes before green flag. Just an off day for OwensRacing.


Thank you litchi. If you had not showed up last lap. I'd ran out of fuel. Your draft was a prayer answered. LoL

 

[Wardez]

Sorry to hear about some of the bad races, but it happens, and because of the change of track style sometimes drivers can play defense in different ways to adapt to what they think is the best way to win.

The fight for the podium was intense, lots of great close racing on my end. I guess there was more of a sweet spot going this race and anyone else outside of it was either lonely or had a mishap. Sarthe isn't the best track for the cars I admit, but it was decided on through a vote before the season started. Since it was round three, we were hoping that more people would have "trained up" with each other so to say. But, as we've found out, certain people adapt to the racing style at this track differently. Myself included since I was less willing to set up passes and more calculating, giving up speed for position, which I don't like doing. I had a few 4 wheel off track moments myself because of understeer, I would dart back on to the track aggressively and keep a momentum because of the pack. I still need to review the replay but I think we stayed pretty clean considering what the worst case scenario is for running Sarthe without auto-penalty, and it's never been a problem before in the other series we've run Sarthe at.

Sarthe's not a bad track for racing necessarily, but sometimes if the group is a certain way it can rub the racing a wrong way. We've had lots of great races here before, I wouldn't count this one as a bad, at least D1 anyway, just a few incidents as always, and the fuel issue.

 

[SkengD]

I think because its such a long lap at sarthe anyone who got damage ( which the odds are higher here ) really fell out of the race completely.

Well depending on the damage ofcourse , had minor damage in my second stint because of a spin but it was driveable.

 

[CSLACR]

Not sure what happened at the green flag... Tony just seemed to not go anywhere so I assumed I had done something wrong. I let off a tad so that the group could catch up... really wish I hadn't having looked at the replay. ;/

Lap 3, Tony wants to lead going into Porsches as it's the best place to start losing the draft. He goes all the way to the right so I follow, then just blatantly blocks me going into the centre and then slightly back again. Not sure what you were thinking but I'm not sure why you're close quarter racing as gone downhill recently. Have fun for the rest of the season anyway. 👍

Consequently, I have dirty air for the start of the next lap and make a silly mistake.


Watching the replay a few mins a go, it's SICK how many people are running 4 wheels off track and keeping their foot planted. I was watching Tony at the start up to the blocking, and then thought I'd pick a random point in the race where I could see if anyone else was. Lap 11 (just click 'next'), the corner onto the first straight - I counted 7 cars that cut and/or ran wide. 8 counting Dom, but he lifted off and sadly lost the draft to the 2 corner cutters in front. 👎 I admit I did it a few times during the race, but not as badly and half the time I would lift ... but for a group of drivers where we have so many rules and penalties in place, they might as well not exist.

Looks like Tony tried to switch out of your way, based on the timing and movement, figuring reaction in. You were flying up, he tried to switch out of your way just as you moved left, by the time he got it back right it was too late.
Certainly nothing I'd get worked up over, even if it looked bad in the heat of the moment, it's Sarthe, if the guy wants the lead give it to him, you'll catch back up.
As for crashing because you were in dirty air, come on. I know the dirty air sucks here, but you were destined to take that corner at least a couple times in dirty air, and the car can take it flat-out if you're on the right line.

Seems to me like everybody got worked up over both speed and not crashing, the result was a fast race with lots of "I didn't gain from that".
Personally, like many I wasn't worried about small cuts following in the draft, especially when it yielded more room in close scenarios.
It's the cuts at Tetre Rouge without lifting, (more running wide than cutting though) coming out of the Porsche esses wide without lifting, cutting the chicanes at start/finish and the first one, etc, without lifting.

If there's no chance of losing the draft, there's no point in lifting,(because you'll get it right back, and it never really gained in the first place)
If you're the lead car, driving alone, or using it to keep/gain the draft, it's a problem, imo. A cut that gains or keeps the draft could save you 10 seconds. (like mine probably would have)
I'm gonna take a gander here for a bit now...

 

[Adam41]

Don't give me that. He knew what he was doing. He wanted to push then to lose the draft, like his move to the right just after the turn. No one moves out of the way for someone when they're already at the edge of the track.

As for cutting, so now we need rules on what gains you time with an off and what doesn't, rules which we likely wouldn't follow either? If I was on my PC I would copy Dennis' post from the PURE forum where he said your 4th cut in a race without a '3 second self serve lift' would result in a DQ. I know that's extreme, but the principles on how serious we want track limits to be are quite a lot different to what we actually stick to on track.

I'll be quiet now :x

 

[twistedfirework]

Hey guys,
I am back from my family get together. Looks like some action packed racing tonight.
Can someone post the results from D1 please.

I have just opened a room for some monza practice and short races, feel free to join

1472-6399-8580-0413-6896

Edit : I have left the room now but Basse is still there.

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

As for cutting, so now we need rules on what gains you time with an off and what doesn't, rules which we likely wouldn't follow either? If I was on my PC I would copy Dennis' post from the PURE forum where he said your 4th cut in a race without a '3 second self serve lift' would result in a DQ. I know that's extreme, but the principles on how serious we want track limits to be are quite a lot different to what we actually stick to on track.

I'll be quiet now :x

Then I'll speak up.

Granted, we've all been guilty of pushing the limits too far, and that's understandable. We're racers, and we'll do anything if that gains us that extra tenth, but if we don't make at least try to be fair on the track, then we're only insulting those that actually make an effort to follow the standards that we've set. Even if it's a momentary lift, at least that's better than nothing.

With that being said, I can only imagine how rough Monza will be.

 

[Hancock]

My sincerest apologies for the 1st lap shunt, whoever I hit! I don't really know what happened, or why I missed my braking point so badly. There were a bunch of cars all very close together, I was looking for the markers on the left and suddenly it was too late. I have no real excuse. Tried squeezing to the right as much as possible, but couldn't go right any further because of the barrier. When I rejoined, I followed the first car that fell back to me to the pits and then continued.

I'm mortified. Really sorry for ruining someone's race.

Having watched the replay it was me you hit, unfortunately you hit me that hard i smashed into Watson and ruined his race. But thats racing, so no worries mate. Thanks for the apology!

It just didn't go very well for me today shortly after that incident Mule lost it after the mulsane down the straight, think he had a damaged car from another incident and i took the left side as he was on the grass on the right but he shot across track and i just couldn't avoid him! Then on lap 14 I caught up with mule, he was struggling with damage and he clipped the barrier after porshe curves and i smashed into him again so I decided to retire to the pits. Sorry Mule!

Hopefully next week will be better because today there were far too many incidents in D2.

 

[Denilson]

D1:

Guys, keep the accusations/incidents to PM's.
The bigger picture is that we need to take a good look at the replay.
But I really think we're taking it a tad far in this case.
Yes, perhaps it was bad.
But concidering how well we stick to the rules in all previous races, perhaps we need to understand that Sarthe is just so much tougher in that aspect.

And I know I did cut huge sometimes, mostly at the first and second Mulsanne chicanes, but that was to avoid contact.
In that case, a cut is'nt a cut imo.
As long as you fall back to your spot and does'nt gain anything, right?

 

[CSLACR]

Don't give me that. He knew what he was doing. He wanted to push then to lose the draft, like his move to the right just after the turn. No one moves out of the way for someone when they're already at the edge of the track.

Fair enough, and he couldn't have been going to switch sides of track before he realized it was too late?
Idk, watching the replay I don't see anything to conclude he was blocking you, but of course it's possible.

As for cutting, so now we need rules on what gains you time with an off and what doesn't, rules which we likely wouldn't follow either? If I was on my PC I would copy Dennis' post from the PURE forum where he said your 4th cut in a race without a '3 second self serve lift' would result in a DQ. I know that's extreme, but the principles on how serious we want track limits to be are quite a lot different to what we actually stick to on track.

I'll be quiet now :x

Absolutely correct, I think one difference is that people like to think more highly of our abilities when typing.

Quite frankly when taken literally our track boundaries rules are absolutely ludicrous.
We should continue this on the site though.

 

[cicua]

Congrats to Mich especially, pitted early and never got caught again, left everyone else to fight for 3rd. Well done!

I crashed into Litchi on lap 11 and had to limp back for a second pit stop, race over. Only good thing is that I had no expectations for today anyway, and next up is Monza which is also not a fav, but the rest of the season is great tracks.

I agree there was more cutting than is good, and I may be one offender myself. Though I am clean by intention, reality may not agree. As happened on lap 11, which may be the one Adam saw. There was no real pack, Litchi and I had been hunting Wardez for a few laps, but then Paginas and WiiFreak got out of pits and collected us all. Suddenly we were a group of 5, some on fresh tyres, and then everyone get anxious, nobody wants to lose that train, and suddenly some cutting starts (and eventually the anxiousness on that lap cost me the race which sucks).

Anxiousness is no excuse, just saying how it appears to work. It spreads, when one does it, everyone does (or loses the pack).

Adam in all fairness you did almost the same to me on lap 2, swerwing a bit on the straight up to Porsche curves. There is a big grey area between intentional blocking, legal lane change, sticking to the race line, and not being completely aware of opponent's position and intentions. But in the end if that is a one off and nothing bad happens then forget it and race on.

 

[Müle]

Having watched the replay it was me you hit, unfortunately you hit me that hard i smashed into Watson and ruined his race. But thats racing, so no worries mate. Thanks for the apology!

It just didn't go very well for me today shortly after that incident Mule lost it after the mulsane down the straight, think he had a damaged car from another incident and i took the left side as he was on the grass on the right but he shot across track and i just couldn't avoid him! Then on lap 14 I caught up with mule, he was struggling with damage and he clipped the barrier after porshe curves and i smashed into him again so I decided to retire to the pits. Sorry Mule!

Hopefully next week will be better because today there were far too many incidents in D2.

You didn't do anything wrong. I crashed twice via incidents that were both my fault. You were just unlucky to be the one behind me both times when I lost control.

 

[nissman]

Well that was a poor first race at JGTS for me. Started badly at Q way of my pb times and the D2 race went even worse.
Had a great start, came up to 3rd by the end of Mulasanne straight then a Supra braked way way to late and took me of coused quite heavy damage. When I rejoined the track someone cliped me and this coused a massive crash with at least 5 drivers involved.
At this time the car was a wreck and the race I thought was over and done. But suprisingly I came back to 2nd place behind Sken. With worn tyres I fell back to 4th and then soon realized that I might be short on fuel. That was the case in the last lap, I ran out of fuel and fell back to 11th. So a disaster weekend for me but that happens in racing.

Hoping for a better result in Monza. I'll be in sharper form next week for sure.

 

[Highlandor]

D2 was an absolute joke.

100% true, have posted my thoughts and photo's on PURE site rather than here...

I started 9th, 1/2 way down Mulsanne I was 13th / 14th as I just tried to keep my nose clean and give others room..

By the end of first (flying) lap I was 4th!!! And I didn't overtake anyone, all 9 crashed or were taken out.... CRAZY..

All I did was hang back and give myself room to move and react and went from virtually last to 4th in 1/2 a lap...says it all really..

Up to 3rd, despite another "driver's" kamikaze attacks, I mean overtaking attempts down the Mulsanne - even though I caught him up 10 seconds in 2 laps and was massively faster in the corners(?).. he still wanted to "fight"..??

Pitted, came out around 8th, got hypntised by someone's weaving down the straights (is that allowed?).. back up to 5th, then 3 infront ran out of fuel last lap to finish 2nd..

Should be ecstatic about this...but, unfortunately, after seeing what happened at start, I'm not...I'm quite sad tbh..

Something seriously needs to be done about this... If this carrys on, it's going to be such a turn of for so many.



👎

 

[Denilson]

Well that was a poor first race at JGTS for me. Started badly at Q way of my pb times and the D2 race went even worse.
Had a great start, came up to 3rd by the end of Mulasanne straight then a Supra braked way way to late and took me of coused quite heavy damage. When I rejoined the track someone cliped me and this coused a massive crash with at least 5 drivers involved.
At this time the car was a wreck and the race I thought was over and done. But suprisingly I came back to 2nd place behind Sken. With worn tyres I fell back to 4th and then soon realized that I might be short on fuel. That was the case in the last lap, I ran out of fuel and fell back to 11th. So a disaster weekend for me but that happens in racing.

Hoping for a better result in Monza. I'll be in sharper form next week for sure.

Glad you're taking it the right way. 👍
I know you have really good pace, so looking much forward to try and catch you in the next round.

Pitted, came out around 8th, got hypntised by someone's weaving down the straights (is that allowed?)..

Once a driver exit a corner, he can change lines once. And the he got the right to place his car for the next turn.
In practice, this means a driver can "weave" twice.
Not more.
And obviously, a "weave" can not block or force another car off track.. In that case, it's subject for penalties.
Same for "weaving" more than twice.

 

[Wardez]

If there's any other incidents anyone would like to report, please PM me or Dennis. We're now going to review the D2 and D1 replays and posting our findings in the gate19 JGTS sub-forum and will follow up on that with a report that will be filed in this thread describing anything that went wrong in round 3 and needs to be brought to attention in order for us to move on to the rest of the season in a better manner.

Thanks for all your thoughts.

 

[paulmac2k9]

Sounds rough, I thought this would happen while pondering at the back of a old bugger going 10-15 mph slower than the speed limit, while on the way back from a delivery..

I thought this while sitting behind him.. This is exactly what Le Sarthe is like getting stuck behind someone who is much slower or passing said slower car to only have them re pass you after dropping back everywhere but the straights.. Then having to put up with it with not much else to do.. (So yes I still think about you guys , there was also more to that story but the rest was too colourful to post )

Also my rota for next week has me working Sunday so again for a 3rd week running I can't race.. Sorry .

 

[CSLACR]

Sounds rough, I thought this would happen while pondering at the back of a old bugger going 10-15 mph slower than the speed limit, while on the way back from a delivery..

I thought this while sitting behind him.. This is exactly what Le Sarthe is like getting stuck behind someone who is much slower or passing said slower car to only have them re pass you after dropping back everywhere but the straights.. Then having to put up with it with not much else to do.. (So yes I still think about you guys , there was also more to that story but the rest was too colourful to post )

Also my rota for next week has me working Sunday so again for a 3rd week running I can't race.. Sorry .

I'd have to say it's one of the better races at Sarthe I've had.

There's stuff to review, but the racing experience overally was really great for a Sarthe race.

 

[nissman]

This was my first official race at La Sarthe with GT500 cars and with heavy damage. I thought people were going to be a bit more careful in the first lap regarding we have damage involved but that wasn't the case yesterday Especially the start not beeing so important at a track like this as it would be at Monaco or Laguna.
About the cutting, I had a few cuts by mistake but nothing major I always try to be as clean as possible.
Monza is cuttable also and I hope we wont have the same problems here. If we will, the organizers should hand out a few penaties imo.

 

[snowgt]

Monza does have the potential to be a Le Mans-repeat. All I know is, I will brake 50m early whenever someone is directly ahead of me giving me a slipstream for a whole straight. If anything good comes from it, you gotta learn from your mistakes.

 

[HenryT]

Other than the crash I caused, I had a great race, thanks to the first lap of contact between the others I got to 3rd by the end of it And I wouldve still been in the play, if I hadnt messed up the first corner multiple times.

 

[Denilson]

I must say, that I don't understand the strong voices about D1 beeing a cut fest.
It's an extremely good race from what I can see.
I had that feeling while driving as well, but felt I had to watch the replay before saying anything.
Sure, a few questionable cuts/wide occations, but nothing that drag the race down as a whole.

 

[Dr_Watson]

my problem with the cutting I generally see is that people just don't try and stay on the road.

95% of the time I know when I'm going to go off by mid-corner, so I'll lift-off and try like hell to stay on the road rather than keeping my foot in it and going "oopse I messed up that one".

The other 5% I either make a complete mess of it trying to save it or just don't notice because it was one of those too close to call without a replay situations.

 

[OwensRacing]

I often times think a lap I made is dirty when in fact it's clean. This attributes to me not certain where the edge of my car is in bumper. So after reviewing my replay. I must say that way less then initial thought and I also need to learn my cars width better. Many turns I'm screwing myself by not getting deep into apex.

I've been cycling cockpit view a lot. As well conserving adjusting some things in the multi mon menu. Fwiw one monitor users can adjust a zoom in here. Angle zoom I think is the setting.

Monza. I'm gonna spend a lot of time at tue chicanes. Learning the cars edge through bumper or cockpit. So a: I'm clean and b: I get maximum usage of track.




Curious what view do you guys race in.



View I use:

Bumper 90%

Cockpit 10%

 

[CodeRedR51]

Hood/Roof 100% for racing.

I'll use cockpit view depending on the car when I'm just screwing around.