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Those damned Franchies...Please... Believe that all you want.
Leave where excatly?I said I've given up on the Course Maker, NOT the franchies in general...
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Quantum Leap?
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Technically I have too. GT6 has not even been in my playstation for at least 3 months.
I would go far as to say that aside from online play (which is mediocre at best), the entire GT series has not even come close to a quantum leap, And probably never will.
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lol! I spelled it wrong.
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I thought you were already done with PD/ GT6 a few days ago in another thread?
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Don't give up yet toko, it's gonna happen. I know it's hard but hang in there 👍Please... Believe that all you want.
Leave where excatly?
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I don't want to sound like a troll but if you haven't played gt 6 for 3 months do you really think you are in a position to comment on the game , I genuinely don't want to offend you but I wouldn't go on a game forum for a game that I hadn't played for so long.
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I'd take it with a grain of salt, he has posted about playing the Senna content.
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Ah so 3 months is probably less than 3 weeks lol.
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Google it.
I am not afraid to say good things about any game that's doing something right in pretty much the only game genre I care about. Are you? Great work deserves great praise does it not? Calling attention to FM4 would be like calling attention to GT4..aka completely irrelevant what happened 2 or 3 games ago. Unless of course they are including content from last generation in their current game which they aren't.
Some of the talk around here lately has been about wanting to include standard tracks and cars from PS2 on a PS4 game. Highlighting the great, high quality work that other franchises are doing in the next generation serves notice on PD that substandard cars and tracks from the PS2 era will make GT7 a laughing stock should they choose to include them.
I had a feeling I'd see a post from you with a reference to Planck
I love it!! The last refuge of those that can no longer counter an argument with logic and reason. "I can no longer debate you so you must leave". Stellar debate skills.
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I just dont believe that anything has been added to warrant me playing it again. I keep coming here in the hope that PD pulls their head out of their 🤬 and put something decent in the game.
Believe me, I hate being negative about this series, I love GT. But it is on thin ice at the moment.
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Hmm I haven't played FM5 but I detect a little sarcasm in your post , I take it there is no weather/time variation in the game lol.
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I wasn't saying it was a solution to anything.
I was saying that I'd rather have a few free tracks, a few free cars and the option to pay for more cars than just a few free cars.
Has GT6 changed significantly in the last 3 months? It got the Senna content, but if some slideshows and 4 time trials are a game changer then there's something pretty wrong with the game.
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Correct. When they cherry pick comparisons, it's important to point out the related areas they have 'overlooked'.
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Senna stuff was pretty cool.I just dont believe that anything has been added to warrant me playing it again. I keep coming here in the hope that PD pulls their head out of their 🤬 and put something decent in the game.
Believe me, I hate being negative about this series, I love GT. But it is on thin ice at the moment.
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Absolutely. And if PD manages to achieve a fixed 1080P/60FPS, with 16 or more fully premium cars on a brand new laser scanned Nurburgring and also full weather and day/night cycles on PS4, they'll have a big step up on Forza as a result and they'll be given full credit where credit is due.
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@Johnnypenso, I guess, due to the avoidance of an answer the % of NEW cars isn't 80/90%. I think the fm5 version of the nurb is amazing. I'm not privy to what pd plans to include in gt7 although I'm pretty certain a very accurate version of the 'ring will be included on day 1 of its release. Suddenly shouting from the rooftops that fm5 has an accurate track only highlights that the last game had a crap version. Your also comparing ps3 with xbox one. Fm exists purely off the back of gt so maybe stop beating it up so much. I'm a gt fan visiting gtplanet, this is all. As for the quantum leap, the game is still young. And good luck to the PlayStation guys at le mans this weekend
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I didn't avoid anything, I gave you an answer...google it. I'm not in the habit of doing the research of others.
On what do you base this "pretty certain"? 13,000 man hours I think I read but don't quote me. That's 6 programmers for 1 year. Does PD even have that kind of manpower to be able to do this and model other tracks in the meantime? If it really is 13,000 hours I would have serious doubts that PD could put in that kind of time given their tradition of keeping a relatively small staff and if they did, the rest of the track count would undoubtedly suffer as a result. This is part of the trade-off with keeping a smaller, more family oriented work environment, and it remains to be seen if it can prosper in the faster paced, more demanding environment of the PS4 era.
The comparison to the FM4 version will still be irrelevant no matter how many times you mention it, just like what happened in GT4 is irrelevant. To say I'm comparing PS3 with XBone is also incorrect, as I phrased my post with this statement:
So I went out of my way to say that I'm talking about the battle PD faces in the future, with next gen games, not GT6 vs. Forza 5.
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They certainly do. It's not uncommon for games to have some sort of hotlapping feature, whether you call it super laps, rivals, or whatever. Most games include a more robust leaderboards feature to support their hotlapping in fact, instead of just tacking it on to a few specific events.
GT adds a few events like Goodwood, Red Bull and Senna. Other games may add tracks and integrate them into the career, creating new events that way. Same thing, more races to play, different way of approaching it.
But you'll notice that while other games do have equivalents to what GT offers, it doesn't work the other way. GT doesn't have track DLC. It does have a few free cars, but it lacks a significant quantity (or any) purchaseable DLC. What GT6 offers is just less than other games, unless you specifically want exactly what GT6 offers. If you want Senna content, there's nothing else out there outside of PC. I don't think that's particularly a negative on other games, any more than it's particularly a negative for GT6 that it doesn't feature Top Gear. It's just a thing, all games have their own brand partnerships.
GT Academy is pure advertising for Nissan. It's lovely and all, but for the vast majority of people who aren't competing for the top spots it might as well be another super lap. Academy is one of the few remaining distinguishing features of Gran Turismo, the thing that other games just don't have. Still, you don't even need Gran Turismo to get in, you can qualify through the live events if you're good enough.
Why would it be 90% new cars? If you look at the FM4 car list, it's full of amazing cars. Do they ignore all of those and go for stuff that's worse just because it's new?
At some point you're actively avoiding remodelling awesome cars in high quality just so that you can do something "new". While there's a lot to be said for having something new, either because it's a 2014+ model or because it's never been in a game before, there are quality old cars that are iconic and should be high on the list for inclusion. I don't want to miss out on a Renault 5 Turbo just because it happened to be in the last game as well.
If Gran Turismo ever decides to get rid of the standards, I will be royally pissed if they refuse to make premium models just because they exist in an older game. A good car is a good car, and deserves to be presented in the current highest quality.
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I like your optimism. Okay, I'll be patient just alittle longer.
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No, it comes from a Latin term which meant how much but the English never meant that, certainly not in reference to a quantum leap which was first used in relation to the orbits of electrons.
Planck's work was indeed about the smallest amount, that was the significance of it and why it solved the Ultraviolet Catastrophe.
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Seeing how they've been 'recycling' in the last years, i doubt PD will go the T10 way and revisit tracks to actually laser scan them again. The same Nurb but with updated graphics is likely what you'll see for GT7, they'll have to update tracks like Laguna Seca this time around as they played the PS2 card long enough on those, but the ones that are decent enough will probably just get ported...
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Maybe we as a consumers would feel better if PD could go other way and sell us basic game with 300 shinny premiums then add few season passes for aditional 200 premiums cars (40 cars per season? > 5x30€ = 150€ DLC) they would anyway make in next year for GT7.
Then ,think of track packs. Why not releasing game with 10 -15 tracks ,so people can buy other 20 tracks (10€ for a track ? ).
Senna DLC ? 10€ ? Why not ?
VGT ultimate pack ? 15€
New photomode locations ? 3€ per location > superpack (5 locations) for 10€ (with bonus extra quadruple discount)
Add few different DLC purchase combinations > superpack , ultrapack , supporter pack , definitive pack , megamix pack ...
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Fortunately not ,PD is so slow in making games, else they would already sell us 3 GTs this gen (or maybe 4?> 1 every 2 years with full dlc package) .
Now , Gimme some more , because product is not good ,if there's no money to spend after I already bought it.
Hell ,yeah
Then ,think of track packs. Why not releasing game with 10 -15 tracks ,so people can buy other 20 tracks (10€ for a track ? ).
Senna DLC ? 10€ ? Why not ?
VGT ultimate pack ? 15€
New photomode locations ? 3€ per location > superpack (5 locations) for 10€ (with bonus extra quadruple discount)
Add few different DLC purchase combinations > superpack , ultrapack , supporter pack , definitive pack , megamix pack ...
...
Fortunately not ,PD is so slow in making games, else they would already sell us 3 GTs this gen (or maybe 4?> 1 every 2 years with full dlc package) .
Now , Gimme some more , because product is not good ,if there's no money to spend after I already bought it.
Hell ,yeah
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I think your underlaying reference to FM is a bit flawed; why? Because next gen. And you can always buy a season pass and get all those lovely DLC packs in one go, not for 150€ though...Maybe we as a consumers would feel better if PD could go other way and sell us basic game with 300 shinny premiums then add few season passes for aditional 200 premiums cars (40 cars per season? > 5x30€ = 150€ DLC) they would anyway make in next year for GT7.
Then ,think of track packs. Why not releasing game with 10 -15 tracks ,so people can buy other 20 tracks (10€ for a track ? ).
Senna DLC ? 10€ ? Why not ?
VGT ultimate pack ? 15€
New photomode locations ? 3€ per location > superpack (5 locations) for 10€ (with bonus extra quadruple discount)
Add few different DLC purchase combinations > superpack , ultrapack , supporter pack , definitive pack , megamix pack ...
...
Fortunately not ,PD is so slow in making games, else they would already sell us 3 GTs this gen (or maybe 4?> 1 every 2 years with full dlc package) .
Now , Gimme some more , because product is not good ,if there's no money to spend after I already bought it.
Hell ,yeah
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I always assumed the "one DLC track a month" was the quantum leap. It would have been a major step up from what we got with GT5.
Not sure if the Senna "tracks" are part of that, or we aren't getting those tracks anymore but it does seem like the window for a DLC of that scale has come and gone.
It would be a huge shame to miss out on new tracks. To me, they are what really adds play-ability to a racing game. A game could have 25 cars, but with enough tracks I'd still have lots of fun with it.
Not sure if the Senna "tracks" are part of that, or we aren't getting those tracks anymore but it does seem like the window for a DLC of that scale has come and gone.
It would be a huge shame to miss out on new tracks. To me, they are what really adds play-ability to a racing game. A game could have 25 cars, but with enough tracks I'd still have lots of fun with it.
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No, Planck's entire motivation was the fact that objects only accept energy and give it out again in a range of precise quantities (guess where that word comes from?), which we now know are associated with the difference in energy levels of atomic electron "excitation" states. If an atom gives off infra-red, that's a small quantum; ultra-violet would be due to a significantly larger energy gap. The range of values corresponding to said differences in energy can be equivalently seen in the spectrum, or collection of wavelengths emitted / absorbed, of the material in question, although that is also subject to statistical effects (which Planck obviously understood).
It's like the difference between integers (quantum) and decimals (continuum). Discretised vs. continuous.
The thing you've overlooked with the "ultra-violet catastrophe", or rather Planck's solution to it (which, lets remember, is only a modeling concern), is the fact that the energy (per time) carried by electromagnetic radiation is proportional to both its "amplitude" (number of photons) and "frequency" (energy level of the photons). A packet of ultra-violet therefore carries more energy than a packet of infra-red, or RF etc. Notice that the EM spectrum is effectively continuous, so the discretisation Planck noticed has nothing to do with photons expressly - see here.
Hence quanta.
Where the "minimum" aspect comes into it is really in that definition of "packet", the smallest possible exchange, in the sense of discretisation - either you buy a box of pens, or you get none; it says nothing about the number of pens in the box. In the case of light / EM radiation, that "minimal packet" is supposedly the photon. But photons can have a range of energies, as already described. So in the case of "quantum leap", which specifically refers to internal energy changes due to changes in configuration in electron orbitals, "quantum" only refers to the discrete nature of that change, and nothing can be said of the magnitude. Additionally, Planck didn't use the word "quantum" to refer to the packets themselves.
So, do you think Planck knew nothing of Latin? Quantum is hardly obscure for his time and environment. What do you think motivated him to pick that particular word? He'd have known better than to ascribe arbitrary detail to a general term, one that was already being used in a general sense by his contemporaries.
The fact is, "quantum leap" is clearly intended to suggest a discrete and obvious change. Whichever way you want to look at it, Sony were right!
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As close as it might sound , it is not underlaying reference (only) to FM , but to current and future gaming businness model.
But what surprises me most , is that people vote to spend more money and somehow are not happy with (statisticaly) :1 free car a month and 2 (rehashed?)tracks in 6 months with Zahara yet to come,so they'd rather have 5 cars and pay for them? No wonder pubs sell less and less content ,to charge post release for aditional DLC.Who wouldn't?
PS: I'm very much looking for content that should be in the game but it is still to come > VGTs,zahara,clubs,track editor,camber fix? ... for free=Quantum leap
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Thanks, that is all you needed to say. Glad you came to see it my way.
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