Questioning Religion

[Danoff]

Although sounding logical, or even probable, there is no 'proof' that love is a conditioned response for our survival. I see you have faith in something that lacks scientific proof.

Do I believe in it? Hmmm... I think it's highly probable. As highly probable as evolution itself.

It's not like it doesn't have evidence, mounds of evidence, as much evidence as evolution (since it's part of the same thing).

I don't necessarily believe that the sun will come up tomorrow, but I count on it because I think it's highly probable. There is a small chance that mathematics is wrong and that 1+1 will equal 3 tomorrow... but I think that's highly unlikely.


I don't have faith in science or evolution. I don't believe in it because it cannot be proven. Science cannot be proven strictly by the scientific method - it's deductive reasoning. But the vast majority of the evidence points toward evolution, and so I'll assume that to be true until I have reason to think otherwise.

I was saying you have to consider discovering GOD in more than one demension.
Or other than in just logic or on an intellectual basis.

...and your example of that fell flat on its face. So now you have no support for this argument. See? I didn't miss your point afterall.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

...and your example of that fell flat on its face. So now you have no support for this argument. See? I didn't miss your point afterall.

Evidenced, by your attempt to hastily sweep my post under the rug, using nothing but your unsubstantiated opinon for a broom is a clear indication that my example did anything but, fall on its face.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

Why would I even need to? You've done so much sidestepping yourself you're practically in Burma.?

What on Earth is your phrase "we are multidemensional beings" (sic) supposed to convey? Yes, we ARE multi-dimensional beings. We live in width, length, height, time and the 7 other dimensions, seeing as the universe does and we are components thereof. How does this help in any way?

Maybe I should have said "dummyup". You know exactly what I'm saying and so does danoff.

 

[Danoff]

Evidenced, by your attempt to hastily sweep my post under the rug, using nothing but your unsubstantiated opinon for a broom is a clear indication that my example did anything but, fall on its face.

Hastily swept? Unsubstantiated opinion? Do you understand evolution at all? You should know your enemy better than that. Your example fell flat on its face and now you refuse to acknowledge it.

What would you like me to substantiate? Which concept?

Natural Selection?
Genetic Inheritance?

 

[SuperCobraJet]

Hastily swept? Unsubstantiated opinion? Do you understand evolution at all? You should know your enemy better than that. Your example fell flat on its face and now you refuse to acknowledge it.?

Although, it went completely unnoticed by you,(at least thats what your pretending) this thread took a sharp turn a few posts back off this deadend.Yes I know what it is , an unsubstantiated unprovable theory or opinion. Or to put it another way, man's pitiful attempt to explain his exsistence.

What would you like me to substantiate? Which concept?

danoffNatural Selection?
Genetic Inheritance?

None. You can't.
Why do you say, evolution is my enemy?

 

[Pako]

Do I believe in it? Hmmm... I think it's highly probable. As highly probable as evolution itself.

It's not like it doesn't have evidence, mounds of evidence, as much evidence as evolution (since it's part of the same thing).

I don't necessarily believe that the sun will come up tomorrow, but I count on it because I think it's highly probable. There is a small chance that mathematics is wrong and that 1+1 will equal 3 tomorrow... but I think that's highly unlikely.


I don't have faith in science or evolution. I don't believe in it because it cannot be proven. Science cannot be proven strictly by the scientific method - it's deductive reasoning. But the vast majority of the evidence points toward evolution, and so I'll assume that to be true until I have reason to think otherwise.




...and your example of that fell flat on its face. So now you have no support for this argument. See? I didn't miss your point afterall.

So if it's probability instead of proof that we're after here, I find it much more probable that the universe is by design than by accident. Very good, thanks.

 

[Danoff]

Although, it went completely unnoticed by you,(at least thats what your pretending) this thread took a sharp turn a few posts back off this deadend.Yes I know what it is , an unsubstantiated unprovable theory or opinion. Or to put it another way, man's pitiful attempt to explain his exsistence.

Ok... let's take a look at this for a second.

"an unsubstantiated unprovable theory or opinion"

This is the description of evolution.

Unsubstantiated - Hardly. I'd say there is an increadible amount of substance on evolution. That's what happens when you have the brightest biologists in the world researching it and documenting their results. It's increadibly substantiated, lots and lots (and lots) of evidence is out there to back it up - not to mention that you can generate evidence yourself by observing genetics.

Uprovable Yes but so what? You can't prove that you aren't in the matrix right now, do you care? You can't prove that anyone around you exists, so what? You have the evidence in front of you, you get to make a choice about what is most likely. That's what science is all about.

Theory Yes, evolution is a theory. It is still a theory an may always be one because it is unprovable. Again, so what? Are you going to say that we shouldn't believe that we can build computers based on the knowledge we've gathered because it's possible that we're all in the matrix or that 1+1 will equal 3 tomorrow?

I don't think you understand the rigors of proof I'm talking about here. Almost nothing is provable. All I know is that I exist as the thinker of my thoughts. Everything else is unprovable.

Opinion What interests me is that this was used with an "or" linked to "theory". As though theory and opinion were interchangable. That only illustrates that you don't know what the word "theory" means. An opinion is not a scientific theory. Evolution is not an opinion, it's a theory. There's a big difference.

Allow me to restate that. Evolution is not an opinion, it's a theory.

Why do you say, evolution is my enemy?

Because it shakes your ladder.

 

[Danoff]

So if it's probability instead of proof that we're after here, I find it much more probable that the universe is by design than by accident. Very good, thanks.

Like I said above, there is no such thing as proof. All I can prove is that I exist as the thinker of my thoughts, that's it, and I can only prove it to myself. Nothing else can be proven. You can't prove to me that you exist. I can't prove to you that I do. Nobody can prove that 1+1=2.

It's academic.

Why do you think that it's more likely that the universe is by design than by accident? You can only point to your own ignorance of reality as an answer. All that you can say to respond to that is that you can't imagine that it would happen by accident. That doesn't mean that it didn't. That doesn't prove that a supreme being exists, it certainly doesn't prove that YOUR supreme being exists.

As for the creation of the universe, I'll point to MY own ignorance and say that I don't know. Nobody does and I don't feel that I have enough evidence to guess at the probability. I CAN on the otherhand point to the evolution of species on the planet Earth as highly likely - the evidence I have seen supports it. I find that much more compelling than I book that some dead guys wrote where they says a certain thing happened a certain way and offer nothing but their word as evidence.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

Ok... let's take a look at this for a second.

"an unsubstantiated unprovable theory or opinion"

This is the description of evolution.

Unsubstantiated - Hardly. I'd say there is an increadible amount of substance on evolution. That's what happens when you have the brightest biologists in the world researching it and documenting their results. It's increadibly substantiated, lots and lots (and lots) of evidence is out there to back it up - not to mention that you can generate evidence yourself by observing genetics..

Lots and lots of opinons. No evidence. We have already covered this ground at least once. Genetically, all things reproduce after there own kind. Famines post about the cats, still produced a cat, not a Giraffe. Genetics can be manipulated, but someone has to do it. It doesn't happen on its own.

Uprovable Yes but so what? You can't prove that you aren't in the matrix right now, do you care? You can't prove that anyone around you exists, so what? You have the evidence in front of you, you get to make a choice about what is most likely. That's what science is all about..

I doubt you will use that type of logic on your next major expenditure.

Theory Yes, evolution is a theory. It is still a theory an may always be one because it is unprovable. Again, so what? Are you going to say that we shouldn't believe that we can build computers based on the knowledge we've gathered because it's possible that we're all in the matrix or that 1+1 will equal 3 tomorrow?.

See above.

[I don't think you understand the rigors of proof I'm talking about here. Almost nothing is provable. All I know is that I exist as the thinker of my thoughts. Everything else is unprovable..

I beginning to really wonder about you.

Opinion What interests me is that this was used with an "or" linked to "theory". As though theory and opinion were interchangable. That only illustrates that you don't know what the word "theory" means. An opinion is not a scientific theory. Evolution is not an opinion, it's a theory. There's a big difference.

[Allow me to restate that. Evolution is not an opinion, it's a theory. ..

OK, evolution is a theory based on inconclusive opinions.

Because it shakes your ladder.

No more so than Grimms fairy tales

 

[Danoff]

Lots and lots of opinons. No evidence. We have already covered this ground at least once. Genetically, all things reproduce after there own kind. Famines post about the cats, still produced a cat, not a Giraffe. Genetics can be manipulated, but someone has to do it. It doesn't happen on its own.

How very short sighted of you... and I suppose you will say that fossil records are not evidence.

I doubt you will use that type of logic on your next major expenditure.

I don't really know what you're talking about. I use that type of logic only when the truth of reality and existance is being discussed.

I beginning to really wonder about you.

Ok, prove to me that you exist.

OK, evolution is a theory based on inconclusive opinions.

Not just any old opinions huh? Inconclusive ones.

Evolution is a theory based on evidence. Opinion has nothing to do with it. You're simply restating that you don't understand what a scientific theory is.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

Like I said above, there is no such thing as proof. All I can prove is that I exist as the thinker of my thoughts, that's it, and I can only prove it to myself. Nothing else can be proven. You can't prove to me that you exist. I can't prove to you that I do. Nobody can prove that 1+1=2.

It's academic.

Why do you think that it's more likely that the universe is by design than by accident? You can only point to your own ignorance of reality as an answer. All that you can say to respond to that is that you can't imagine that it would happen by accident. That doesn't mean that it didn't. That doesn't prove that a supreme being exists, it certainly doesn't prove that YOUR supreme being exists.

As for the creation of the universe, I'll point to MY own ignorance and say that I don't know. Nobody does and I don't feel that I have enough evidence to guess at the probability. I CAN on the otherhand point to the evolution of species on the planet Earth as highly likely - the evidence I have seen supports it. I find that much more compelling than I book that some dead guys wrote where they says a certain thing happened a certain way and offer nothing but their word as evidence.

Oh but there is such a thing as proof. But you won't find it looking in the single demension. I used to think the same thing, it is impossible to figure out what the truth is. But If you want to know, you can know. However you will have to do your own research. No one else can do it for you. BTW you might give that book another chance. Theres things in there you won't find anywhere else. Besides if your being truly objective what difference does it make.

 

[Danoff]

BTW you might give that book another chance. Theres things in there you won't find anywhere else. Besides if your being truly objective what difference does it make.

I've read much of it. I know what it says.

Oh but there is such a thing as proof. But you won't find it looking in the single demension.

Does this mean I'm supposed to search my feelings for the truth? How can I trust my feelings? I can't even trust my senses.

I used to think the same thing, it is impossible to figure out what the truth is

Is this supposed to imply that you've figured out more than me somehow? That you used to be where I am but now you've gone beyond and understand better?

I don't think you used to think the same thing. I don't think you ever used to question reality or the existance of the universe. If you did, you would not say things the way you say them.

Prove that you exist.

 

[Pako]

Like I said above, there is no such thing as proof. All I can prove is that I exist as the thinker of my thoughts, that's it, and I can only prove it to myself. Nothing else can be proven. You can't prove to me that you exist. I can't prove to you that I do. Nobody can prove that 1+1=2.

It's academic.

Why do you think that it's more likely that the universe is by design than by accident? You can only point to your own ignorance of reality as an answer. All that you can say to respond to that is that you can't imagine that it would happen by accident. That doesn't mean that it didn't. That doesn't prove that a supreme being exists, it certainly doesn't prove that YOUR supreme being exists.

As for the creation of the universe, I'll point to MY own ignorance and say that I don't know. Nobody does and I don't feel that I have enough evidence to guess at the probability. I CAN on the otherhand point to the evolution of species on the planet Earth as highly likely - the evidence I have seen supports it. I find that much more compelling than I book that some dead guys wrote where they says a certain thing happened a certain way and offer nothing but their word as evidence.

So, neither one of us has scientific proof that either supports or denies the existence of a supreme being that has dominion over the universe.

Nor do either of us have scientific proof that supports or denies the "we" are the product of random chance, that universe was a accident.

So we have complexity on a celestial down to an atomic level. The more scientific laws that are discovered, the more convinced I am of a guided existence. To say that we are the products of our own existence is arrogant at best. On the other hand, to see and learn about the vastness of even just our own galaxy which is compared to a grain of sand on a beach, who are we to claim that any of us has the answers. When I entertain the thought of the miracle of life and even human consciousness, random evolution doesn't fit the bill.

And once again we’re faced with, can’t have something from nothing right, but everything has to have a beginning. Where did the “stuff” come from that allowed the process of evolution to take place? The only ‘logical’ answer is creation. God is called many things, but the “Alpha” or beginning is one of those names. If you take your own existence (the only thing you can really prove), back track evolution and ask your self, “where did that come from…..” Keep going until your run out of origins….and it is there you can find the existence of God.

I’m starting to really repeat many things that have been discussed in the past, but thanks for listening even if we can’t agree with each other. :-)

 

[SuperCobraJet]

How very short sighted of you... and I suppose you will say that fossil records are not evidence..

It is considered evidence by opinion with reguard to evolution.

Ok, prove to me that you exist..

Well somebody is typing this and posting it. It might not be me, but if it ain't, I don't have a clue who else it could be.

Not just any old opinions huh? Inconclusive ones..

Evolution is a theory based on evidence. Opinion has nothing to do with it. You're simply restating that you don't understand what a scientific theory is.

I don't think you know what a theory is. A theory is just that, speculation, unproved assumption,conjecture, hypothetical. In short someone or someones
opinion based on their judgement. It is not a provable or conclusive fact.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

I've read much of it. I know what it says..

Does this mean I'm supposed to search my feelings for the truth? How can I trust my feelings? I can't even trust my senses..

The realm of feelings, (emotion,love,hate,etc) one of our demensions certainly has to be considered. Bear with me just for a moment. If GOD does exsists and he put you here, do you really think he would isolate you so there was know way for you to discover or find him, especially when his intentions are to have relationship with us. No, that doesn't make sense.

Is this supposed to imply that you've figured out more than me somehow? That you used to be where I am but now you've gone beyond and understand better?..

Yes. But its no big deal. The LORD put it this way; The kingdom of God is like a treasure hidden in a field, and when a man finds it he goes and sells all that he has and buys that field. Thats why you have to search for it on your own. As I said in another post if you ask him he will help you.

I don't think you used to think the same thing. I don't think you ever used to question reality or the existance of the universe. If you did, you would not say things the way you say them..

I QUESTION EVERYTHING! But I don't have to question what I already know the answer to.

Prove that you exist.

I already answered that one as best I know how.

 

[PS]

How can you be sure you KNOW the answer, to anything? I find that to be an awefully arrogant statement- for as danoff has already noted, nobody can positively know anything, except their own thoughts. Not even their existense, simply their own thoughts. And some people aren't capable of that.

And if we were created by god, who created him? Or did he just *poof* and was given all mighty power by some unknown entity? If something can come from nothing (which we "know" or have popularily determined to within an extremely high probability), then why hasn't more than one god been created (if god is real anyway)?

I can have all the faith in the world in something, but that doesn't make it true or to exist. The same goes for god- but for me, if there's no proof or credibility, then it's void as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Danoff]

So, neither one of us has scientific proof that either supports or denies the existence of a supreme being that has dominion over the universe.

Correct. Neither of us knows whether there is a supreme being, much less what kind of supreme being... I don't have sufficient evidence to conjecture.

When I entertain the thought of the miracle of life and even human consciousness, random evolution doesn't fit the bill.

Evolution is not random - it follows a law. Survival of the fittest.

And once again we’re faced with, can’t have something from nothing right, but everything has to have a beginning. Where did the “stuff” come from that allowed the process of evolution to take place? The only ‘logical’ answer is creation.

It's not the only logical answer, but it is a "theory" for the beginning of the universe. It is your opinion that the theory is correct. My opinion is that I don't know.

back track evolution and ask your self, “where did that come from…..” Keep going until your run out of origins….and it is there you can find the existence of God.

Eventually one runs out of answers. It is there that we find ignorance. If you want to call that God then go ahead. I don't have any better answers.

I’m starting to really repeat many things that have been discussed in the past, but thanks for listening even if we can’t agree with each other.

I agree with most of what you wrote.

It is considered evidence by opinion with reguard to evolution.

I don't know what "evidence by opinion with reguard to evolution" means. I can tell you that fossil records hold no opinions, they are observations.

Well somebody is typing this and posting it. It might not be me, but if it ain't, I don't have a clue who else it could be.

How do I know someone is typing that. It could be my imagination. Perhaps I am asleep and this is a dream. Perhaps I'm imagining that you're typing this and I'm actually crazy.

I don't think you know what a theory is. A theory is just that, speculation, unproved assumption,conjecture, hypothetical. In short someone or someones
opinion based on their judgement. It is not a provable or conclusive fact.

You're correct that it is not a provable or conclusive fact. But you have proven that you don't know what a scientific theory is. It is not speculation. It is not an unproved assumption. It is a hypothetical and it is conjecture, but it is not someone's opinion based on their judgement. If they want to believe that the theory is true then it is their opinion that it is true, but the conjecture is not their opinion, it is a conjecture - and for a theory to be scientific, it must be based on evidence.

Here's an example. A bird is dead. Cars are nearby and the area is polluted.

I have a theory based on the evidence that the bird is dead and cars are nearby that the bird was run over by a car.
My friend has a theory based on the pollution that the bird got sick and died.

Two theories, both based on the evidence at hand. Neither is opinion.

I chose to believe my friend's theory. At that point it is my opinion that his theory is correct.

My friend doesn't know what to believe. His opinion is that there is not sufficient evidence for either theory that they warrent belief.


Understand the difference between opinion and theory yet?

Yes. But its no big deal. The LORD put it this way; The kingdom of God is like a treasure hidden in a field, and when a man finds it he goes and sells all that he has and buys that field. Thats why you have to search for it on your own. As I said in another post if you ask him he will help you.

That's great. Thank you for sharing.

I QUESTION EVERYTHING! But I don't have to question what I already know the answer to.

The second sentence contradicts the first.

I already answered that one as best I know how.

If that's the best you can do then you cannot prove to me that you exist because you can't prove that you aren't a figment of my imagination.

 

[Delirious]

i swear it's like hitting your head against a brick wall expecting it to break...

i know for me that when i got saved, all the evidence made logical sense, that the proof is real

 

[SuperCobraJet]

How can you be sure you KNOW the answer, to anything? I find that to be an awefully arrogant statement- for as danoff has already noted, nobody can positively know anything, except their own thoughts. Not even their existense, simply their own thoughts. And some people aren't capable of that..

I know it because I wanted to know,and I searched and researched until I found it. God is no respector of persons. I don't know because of any special talent or intellect or anything else. Whosoever, as the LORD refers to it means anybody and everybody. You must want to know and you must seek him out. Also as I have said, if you ask him he will help you. It may sound arrogant (I used to think it did too) but if I knew you personally how could I go around saying, I'm not sure if you really exsist?

And if we were created by god, who created him? Or did he just *poof* and was given all mighty power by some unknown entity? If something can come from nothing (which we "know" or have popularily determined to within an extremely high probability), then why hasn't more than one god been created (if god is real anyway)?.

That I don't know. I'm not sure that we need to know as of now but I beleive I will know at some point. For if he exsists,and he does there is an answer to that question.

I can have all the faith in the world in something, but that doesn't make it true or to exist. The same goes for god- but for me, if there's no proof or credibility, then it's void as far as I'm concerned.

The only thing I can say to that is, either Jesus was the greatest liar and con man
that ever exsisted(and also the stupidist) or he is who he said he was.
You decide.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

How do I know someone is typing that. It could be my imagination. Perhaps I am asleep and this is a dream. Perhaps I'm imagining that you're typing this and I'm actually crazy..

Are you on some kind of medication?

You're correct that it is not a provable or conclusive fact. But you have proven that you don't know what a scientific theory is. It is not speculation. It is not an unproved assumption. It is a hypothetical and it is conjecture, but it is not someone's opinion based on their judgement. If they want to believe that the theory is true then it is their opinion that it is true, but the conjecture is not their opinion, it is a conjecture - and for a theory to be scientific, it must be based on evidence.

Here's an example. A bird is dead. Cars are nearby and the area is polluted.

I have a theory based on the evidence that the bird is dead and cars are nearby that the bird was run over by a car.
My friend has a theory based on the pollution that the bird got sick and died.

Two theories, both based on the evidence at hand. Neither is opinion.

I chose to believe my friend's theory. At that point it is my opinion that his theory is correct.

My friend doesn't know what to believe. His opinion is that there is not sufficient evidence for either theory that they warrent belief.


Understand the difference between opinion and theory yet?.

Where we differ here is you are making the assumption that evidence is some form of cut and drawn entity which declares itself so on its own. In reality someone must declare by judgement what is evidence, hence you are back to opinion. The bird died from natural causes(old age) but no one considered that evidence.

The second sentence contradicts the first..

The only way that can be is if there are no answers to a question.

If that's the best you can do then you cannot prove to me that you exist because you can't prove that you aren't a figment of my imagination.

Are you sure you are not on some kind of medication?

 

[PS]

As far as I've heard Jesus never claimed to be any more than a savior, and sacrificed himself for the betterment of mankind. If someone were to go off on a crusade like that now, he'd probably be put in a strait-jacket, given dopamine and morphine, and left in a padded cell.

I know it because I wanted to know,and I searched and researched until I found it. God is no respector of persons. I don't know because of any special talent or intellect or anything else. Whosoever, as the LORD refers to it means anybody and everybody. You must want to know and you must seek him out. Also as I have said, if you ask him he will help you. It may sound arrogant (I used to think it did too) but if I knew you personally how could I go around saying, I'm not sure if you really exsist?

That doesn't prove you know something. That just proves you know what you heard or read, and that you can remember it. To truly know something you must have first hand sober experience. And even then, looks can be decieving.

What I mean by "know", is that you are absolutely 100% positive that it is correct, and that you see it as 100% credible and respectable. Anything less, and there's an amount of reasonable doubt, which is then a hunch or suspicion based on an amount of reasonable evidence/testimony.

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The bird died from natural causes(old age) but no one considered that evidence.

You don't know that. What if a boy hit it with a stone, and they never bothered to see whether the ribcage had collapsed and ruptured a vessel or murmered the heart?

And just to let you know, I think danoff is using the insanity as a hypothetical situation, being that if he truly were crazy he wouldn't even be awrae of that and could entirely be imagining the whole thing. All I can do to persuade you into thinking he's sane is that you're actually the one who imagined those posts, and I'm just another pill dissolving in your stomache ready to flow through your veins.

 

[Ten]

i swear it's like hitting your head against a brick wall expecting it to break...

i know for me that when i got saved, all the evidence made logical sense, that the proof is real

Have you tried preaching to your dog? How many times has he thanked the Lord for this beautiful earth? When will you understand that you just can't convert everyone? If we have to find it on our own, why are you so adamant about sticking it in our faces? Doesn't that ruin the whole divine suprise?

 

[Famine]

Famines post about the cats, still produced a cat, not a Giraffe.

Ummm.... Huh?

Genetics can be manipulated, but someone has to do it. It doesn't happen on its own.

Please explain cancer.

 

[Danoff]

The only thing I can say to that is, either Jesus was the greatest liar and con man
that ever exsisted(and also the stupidist) or he is who he said he was.

How can you say that considering you don't know what he really said or whether he really existed. You take the bible as absolute truth but question science as though it were all a big lie. How about redirecting that scepticism at the bible?

Are you on some kind of medication?

You're proving yourself to be a waste of my time. I'm surprised that you're too dense to realize what I'm talking about. PS had no trouble following me.

I'm not going to make it clearer than this:

I can't know if you exist because I can't know if I'm imagining everything I experience. I can't know if it's real or a hallucination, perhaps I'm in a matrix like world. So my perception of you typing on and on about Jesus and salvation could be totally fake - and so that is not sufficient to prove to me that you exist.

Where we differ here is you are making the assumption that evidence is some form of cut and drawn entity which declares itself so on its own. In reality someone must declare by judgement what is evidence, hence you are back to opinion.

No. Facts (that's right facts, not opinions) surrounding the incident are all evidence. You cannot chose which facts to consider evidence and which ones not to, they are all evidence. The fact that it was a Tuesday is evidence, whether the bird died of natural causes is part of the facts supplied by an autopsy. It's all evidence.

Again, you're proving yourself to be a waste of time. That you could not follow that scenario is almost beyond my comprehension.

The only way that can be is if there are no answers to a question.

That's completely irrelevant. You said you question everything. Then you said that you don't question the things you know the answers to. Those two things are contradictory. You should have said "I question everything except what I know that answers to". But then I'm doing your job for you... If you'd said that I would have picked it apart anyway.

Have you tried preaching to your dog? How many times has he thanked the Lord for this beautiful earth? When will you understand that you just can't convert everyone?

Comparing the hethens to dogs huh? So I'm a dog now? Nice.

 

[Tacet_Blue]

i swear it's like hitting your head against a brick wall expecting it to break...

Maybe they'e all got you on their ignore list

You're proving yourself to be a waste of my time. I'm surprised that you're too dense to realize what I'm talking about. PS had no trouble following me.

I'll have to say as well, that PS has actually made some constructive comments in this thread...much to my suprise...the reincarnation of Public is a much better person. (see the religious link, not totally off topic after all )

 

[PS]

Oh crap I've become a metaphorical Jesus- something I don't believe in!



Perhaps we should have like weekly summary of what we've covered or something. Some of this gets incredibly redundant and other parts are just irrelevant. On actually questioning religion, however, the (albeit somewhat small) poll shows that the majority are either atheists or have questioned their religion. This shows that the bible obviously has some misleading/contradictory/questionable content to which some people refuse to follow. IMO, ignorance truly is bliss (from what I've seen anyway).

 

[wowitfoth]

I have finally found what works for me and I share only with one request. If can help another so be it, but I will support any belief if it makes you a better person. No one can say for certain what is the answer to our existence, but I know for a fact what I do today will affect tomorrow. Our emotions are tools for survival, but we came from a source beyond comprehension. Our fears are clues to a direction, so if we just do the best we can, life takes care of itself. I cannot change the world, but changing my own makes the world a better place. I am 41 and have just got off the streets; I used to be really rotten and burned many people. I truly believe in Karma and that was my payback, time to start living. I have been in Million Dollar Homes and lived on the streets, I am truly humble and have a new pair eyes. But I fear if I don't fly right who knows what's on the other side. I bet money though; killing someone must have dire consequences! Just be a good human that's all!

I have taken a little bit of many religions, but buddahism has had the most contributions. But all religion points to a central theme, whatever works for you. I hope I get to kick Bill Gates ass and be his Boss one day! We can dream right?

 

[Duke]

I don't think you know what a theory is. A theory is just that, speculation, unproved assumption,conjecture, hypothetical. In short someone or someones opinion based on their judgement. It is not a provable or conclusive fact.

I'd really like to have the strength to get back into this discussion, but the words above are so totally, completely, utterly, and self-righteously WRONG that I just can't face it.

 

[Pako]

I'd really like to have the strength to get back into this discussion, but the words above are so totally, completely, utterly, and self-righteously WRONG that I just can't face it.

I found a article on scientific method that is easy to read and nicely written. It can be found here and at the bottom is a theory definition:

theory: a hypothesis or group of hypotheses which have been validated but not to the point of near certainty.

Also a good read can be found here. I especially enjoyed the "Common Mistakes in Applying the Scientific Method", which I can see happening all too often.

 

[Ten]

I'd really like to have the strength to get back into this discussion, but the words above are so totally, completely, utterly, and self-righteously WRONG that I just can't face it.

Ditto. This thread was a big head/heart ache for me from the start. I think I've done all I can to keep myself composed herein, but with the blatant disregard for others' views that just floats around here, I can't bring myself to even bother responding.

Wow. Why did I even type this post just now? It's been a long night...