Questioning Religion

[Coleio]

Thats thee most interestin thing i've ever read i think

 

[Tacet_Blue]

SuperCobraJet, at first I read your posts as if you were some kid who had only just discovered the bible, and felt the need to tell everyone about how great it was. Like a fad, or a trend, I thought you might grow bored and move on...but

Since you have filled your profile in (and assuming it is true) then I think I owe you an apology
I do have respect for my elders, wisdom and experience counts for a lot, and I may have been a bit disrespectful in my replies to you.

If you have found peace in your faith, then good for you. Most of us in this thread were just trying to say "each to their own" and "don't force your beliefs on others."

My plan is to carry on sinning (oh yeah ) and then on my death bed, I can just repent and all will be good
The Catholic Church works this way, all I have to do is ask for forgiveness, and I'm straight into heaven
I don't even have to do any of that going to church nonsense. 👍

 

[87chevy]

^ yeah, catholicism(sp?), that's a great institution


anyways, if you don't, or haven't questioned your faith, you might as well jump off a cliff and believe you can fly. I don't think GOD wants a bunch of mindless zombies worshiping him/it/her whatever.

 

[Max_DC]

I personally don't believe in God, and I never will. In my opinion a modern educated person should not believe in something, that is so obviously the result of the weakness of mankind, that searches a person that has all the answers they don't have, leads them through their life in order to prevent the need of thinking of their own and that helps when it suffers...

Nothing else than wishful thinking of people who never REALLY thought of their own....

It is quite easy to talk for me like that, as I never have experienced bad things like war, starving, abuse, force but instead a well balanced education in a rich country with all possibilities and a stable home&family.

I know that, and that's why I accept religion, its function and also its tradition.

 

[xAkirax2004]

I was never brought into any religion when I was growing up. I guess I was never into it or my parents never really encouraged it. So I took the path of an agnostic. If there is a heaven and hell, I couldn't care less. I feel that we as humans were meant to worship one god, if any. And that any other religion is just worshipping an entity that is completely nonexistant in my eyes. I also think that religion was supposed to be taken in a correct way. What I mean is that their shouldn't be eleventeen types of the muslim religion. Just one. But ironically, they worship the same god.

I also don't mind being an agnostic because I don't really have to worry about what "god" thinks about me, because if he ever does exist, I don't think he listens to us all that much. If he does listen, he's got too much of a load on his back. We have so many problems with our general existance that it could possibly overwhelm him/her/it. I wouldn't know.

 

[Blake]

Personally I can't bring myself to believe that there is an almighty "god" that created the universe and everything in it. With my knowledge and upbringing I basically accept the big bang theory and find it impossible that an almighty being did this...I don't know if I make sense but don't hold it against me it's a friday night...

Blake

 

[Smoke_U_24/7]

I wasn't raised to forcefully believe in God or be a christian, but all of my life I have had an Interest in the supernatural, Christianity, and Jesus Christ. Now that i've grown up and now have the ability to think for myself, I now believe that this god, or any god's for that matter doesn't exist. The scientific Evidence that christians have are flawed and the bible is completey illogical. How can the God of the bible exist if there are so many flaws in the religion? We might as well stop these Creation vs. Evolution arguments now because It will never come to a conclusion. One Person has an argument, then someone else comes along with a counter-argument. It's a never ending circle. The debate is just like trying to answer the question "What came first, the Chicken or the Egg?" It just doesn't make any sense to argue about religion.

 

[Famine]

It's a never ending circle. The debate is just like trying to answer the question "What came first, the Chicken or the Egg?" It just doesn't make any sense to argue about religion.

I already answered this, some pages ago. It's the egg.

 

[Blake]

Would you care to elaborate



Blake

 

[PS]

Didn't I already diagnose this with cancer? I was incinuating something, which obviously went un-heded and now it is headed for destruction with more pointless babbling to fill up server space. The poll has been taken, the point established- 'nuff said.

 

[Famine]

Would you care to elaborate



Blake

The chicken, as a species, has been in existence for about 200,000 years, give or take. The egg as we recognise it has been present in all bird species since they arose from reptiles around 50 million years ago. Then again, reptiles also had eggs. And of course egg cells have been around for as long as sexual reproduction has - about 3 billion years.

On a less facetious level, at some point "The Chicken" became a species. It had to hatch from an egg - although the truth behind it is slightly more complex and requires several hundred generations of proto-chicken - and thus the egg came before the chicken.

On a totally facetious level, if the question was "Which came first, the chicken or the chicken's egg?", the answer is "The Chicken", since without the chicken you can't get chicken eggs and, as described above, the first chicken came from a proto-chicken's egg.

 

[Smoke_U_24/7]

Thanks for clearing that up for me! The question has already been answered.

 

[PS]

Duh- he's the one who answered it. Once again, cancerous thread that should be left alone to die on its own.

 

[Blake]

The chicken, as a species, has been in existence for about 200,000 years, give or take. The egg as we recognise it has been present in all bird species since they arose from reptiles around 50 million years ago. Then again, reptiles also had eggs. And of course egg cells have been around for as long as sexual reproduction has - about 3 billion years.

On a less facetious level, at some point "The Chicken" became a species. It had to hatch from an egg - although the truth behind it is slightly more complex and requires several hundred generations of proto-chicken - and thus the egg came before the chicken.

On a totally facetious level, if the question was "Which came first, the chicken or the chicken's egg?", the answer is "The Chicken", since without the chicken you can't get chicken eggs and, as described above, the first chicken came from a proto-chicken's egg.

Haha, I knew it, I was right all along! Die proto-chicken die! Down with comunism! Nuke the whales! Ahahahahah!

Ahem....

Blake

 

[Biased turkey]

I was raised in a catholic family and graduated from high school and college run by catholic priests ( Jesuits at the technical college ).
I completely stoped believing in god and religious the year I took a course about statistics and probabilities, then I realised that god is just a pair of rolling dices.
Why was I born a male ? by luck
why was I born in Europe ? by luck
why was I smart enough to graduate ? by luck ( of course, I worked hard at it too ).
why am I still alive ? by luck

 

[Danoff]

Why was I born a male ? by luck

Of course, women are not inferior. My wife would have me believe it is better to be a woman.

why was I born in Europe ? by luck

Bad luck.

why was I smart enough to graduate ? by luck ( of course, I worked hard at it too ).

This is probably more like:

"Why was I born in a family whose culture promotes education? By luck"

why am I still alive ? by luck

Natural selection has tuned your body over thousands of years to be adept at staying alive.

 

[240Z]

But then, he still could've gotten hit by a bus, stampeded by yaks or some other freak accident, so probability does come into play.

 

[Danoff]

But then, he still could've gotten hit by a bus, stampeded by yaks or some other freak accident, so probability does come into play.

It does come into play, but fatal accidents are pretty rare. He's more likely to die from disease of some sort.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

I already answered this, some pages ago. It's the egg.

It's the chicken. Is so, is not, etc.

 

[Famine]

Always willing to listen to a scientific answer, eh?

The chicken, as a species, has been in existence for about 200,000 years, give or take. The egg as we recognise it has been present in all bird species since they arose from reptiles around 50 million years ago. Then again, reptiles also had eggs. And of course egg cells have been around for as long as sexual reproduction has - about 3 billion years.

On a less facetious level, at some point "The Chicken" became a species. It had to hatch from an egg - although the truth behind it is slightly more complex and requires several hundred generations of proto-chicken - and thus the egg came before the chicken.

On a totally facetious level, if the question was "Which came first, the chicken or the chicken's egg?", the answer is "The Chicken", since without the chicken you can't get chicken eggs and, as described above, the first chicken came from a proto-chicken's egg.

The answer to the seemingly-rhetorical question "Which came first, the chicken or the egg?" IS "The egg".

 

[SuperCobraJet]

SuperCobraJet, at first I read your posts as if you were some kid who had only just discovered the bible, and felt the need to tell everyone about how great it was. Like a fad, or a trend, I thought you might grow bored and move on...but:tup:

It's the REAL DEAL!

Since you have filled your profile in (and assuming it is true) then I think I owe you an apology
I do have respect for my elders, wisdom and experience counts for a lot, and I may have been a bit disrespectful in my replies to you.👍

It is. Forget about it.

If you have found peace in your faith, then good for you. Most of us in this thread were just trying to say "each to their own" and "don't force your beliefs on others."👍

I fully realize that. I've been on both sides of this fence.

My plan is to carry on sinning (oh yeah ) and then on my death bed, I can just repent and all will be good
The Catholic Church works this way, all I have to do is ask for forgiveness, and I'm straight into heaven
I don't even have to do any of that going to church nonsense. 👍

Even the best laid plans can go awry, especially those employing generous portions of presumption. Maybe you will, maybe not. As you continue on in your plan though, your heart will become harder and harder and it will become more difficult to say it and/or beleive it.

 

[Delirious]

just give up...they wont believe with evidence but only by faith, since we were led to believe by faith

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

they sure arent gonna believe by evidence...but only by faith

 

[SuperCobraJet]

Always willing to listen to a scientific answer, eh?



The answer to the seemingly-rhetorical question "Which came first, the chicken or the egg?" IS "The egg".

Your only answering from "who you want to believe". Since you wern't around all those however many years ago, your taking someone elses word for all that so called scientific mumbo jumbo.

 

[Danoff]

Your only answering from "who you want to believe". Since you wern't around all those however many years ago, your taking someone elses word for all that so called scientific mumbo jumbo.

Nobody has to take anyone's word for scientific mumbo jumbo. You can go run the experiments yourself - you'll get the same result.

Even the best laid plans can go awry, especially those employing generous portions of presumption.

...like plans for immortality through religion?

 

[Tacet_Blue]

...like plans for immortality through religion?

Nice one.

You know, I'm not really sure that I actually want to live forever in Heaven.
That's going to get pretty dull in a short time...how am I going to satisfy my adrenalin junky alter ego, how can you take a risk when you are already dead. Or when you die in heaven, do you go to "Heaven Heaven".

 

[Famine]

Indeed. The answer requires no belief at all, whereas the answer "The chicken came first because God made it like that" does.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

Nobody has to take anyone's word for scientific mumbo jumbo. You can go run the experiments yourself - you'll get the same result.

There is no experiment or combination thereof that will absolutely tell you which
came first "the chicken or the egg". It is ultimately and exclusively a question of who you want to believe.

...like plans for immortality through religion?

Ditto.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

Indeed. The answer requires no belief at all, whereas the answer "The chicken came first because God made it like that" does.

Contrar. Either require belief.

 

[Famine]

Contrar

Hmmm?

Either require belief.

Why?

One is logical progression through scientifically testable and repeatable observations, and the other is "God made the chicken".

 

[Danoff]

It's obvious from our discoveries of the progression of animals that the egg came before the chicken.

However, a more difficult question to postulate is:

"Which came first, the chicken or the chicken egg?"

In which case it all comes down to definition. Is a chicken egg an egg that comes from a chicken or is it an egg that contains a chicken.

I would say that it's an egg that contains a chicken in which case the egg came first. If you want to define it the other way then the question comes out with a different answer.