Questioning Religion

[SuperCobraJet]

Hmmm?



Why?

One is logical progression through scientifically testable and repeatable observations, and the other is "God made the chicken".

It is still an opinon or theory, no matter how logical it may sound. You can only
experiment with the exsisting processes that now exsists. Origin cannot be conclusively proven. However, as I have said before, mathematically it is much more likely God's explanation is true than the theory of evolution. Again it's a question of what you want to believe.

 

[Famine]

It is still an opinon or theory, no matter how logical it may sound. You can only
experiment with the exsisting processes that now exsists. Origin cannot be conclusively proven.

Ribosomal RNA.

*rests*

 

[PS]

You guys should just remember that fish have eggs too. Then the reptiles had eggs. Then the birds had eggs. And mammals have internal embryo's or w/e. So therefor, the egg obviously came first. Whether or not the chicken egg came before the chicken or not came first is a whole other story, to which it can be debated for the rest of time. Unlike religion where something just happens because it does and then you believe it.

[edit]mmmm Ribosomes....*drool*

 

[Danoff]

It is still an opinon or theory, no matter how logical it may sound. You can only
experiment with the exsisting processes that now exsists. Origin cannot be conclusively proven. However, as I have said before, mathematically it is much more likely God's explanation is true than the theory of evolution. Again it's a question of what you want to believe.

Ribosomal RNA.

He's gotcha there super.

 

[Tacet_Blue]

However, as I have said before, mathematically it is much more likely God's explanation is true than the theory of evolution.

Errr...Is that in the Bible, or a Maths text book? The odds of a supreme being, that created the universe, existing are obviously going to be less likely than evolution.

Religious science is an oxymoron, you should just stick to the "because it is" approach, rather than trying to bring in science, as it will always backfire on you.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

He's gotcha there super.

Why? That doesn't prove origin.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

Errr...Is that in the Bible, or a Maths text book? The odds of a supreme being, that created the universe, existing are obviously going to be less likely than evolution.

Religious science is an oxymoron, you should just stick to the "because it is" approach, rather than trying to bring in science, as it will always backfire on you.

Believe what you want. It's a bonafide scientific calculatable fact. Math and science
are inseparable.

 

[Tacet_Blue]

Believe what you want. It's a bonafide scientific calculatable fact. Math and science
are inseparable.

I don't have to believe in a mathematical equation for it to be true.

Care to show me the working, and how you quantify God.

 

[Pako]

Ribosomal RNA.

*rests*

What are you saying with this word? From what I gather it is a mutant process where the DNA -> RNA -> Protein...?!?!?! Guess I'm just a little and really don't have the time to 'learn' Ribosomal RNA and it's significance to this topic. A crash course would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Pako]

I don't have to believe in a mathematical equation for it to be true.

Care to show me the working, and how you quantify God.

Pi = The Existance of God

How else do you explain Pi.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

I don't have to believe in a mathematical equation for it to be true.

Care to show me the working, and how you quantify God.

The information is readily available. You should verify it for yourself.
What do you mean, how I quantify GOD?

 

[Tacet_Blue]

The information is readily available. You should verify it for yourself.

Oh, I thought it was so easy that you could show me yourself...how about a link then. I've never heard of "Advanced Statistics and God" being taught in any University

What do you mean, how I quantify GOD?

See Pako's post above

 

[Danoff]

Pi = The Existance of God

How else do you explain Pi.

Does it need to be explained? What about Pi suggests that there is a God?

Believe what you want. It's a bonafide scientific calculatable fact.

Um... what is? That God is more likely to exist than evolution?... 'cause that's a big stretch.

Math and science
are inseparable.

Why yes, yes they are.

 

[PS]

Math an science are inseperable- noone said they weren't.

God and Pi? Relevance? None. That's the point he's making.

How do you quantify god? You can't, theres no scientific or mathematical equation or theory to determine what "god" has done, created, or one that even proves his existence or presence.

Why? That doesn't prove origin.

No, but it proves evolution (beneficial mutation) and therefor proves origin to some degree.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

Oh, I thought it was so easy that you could show me yourself...how about a link then. I've never heard of "Advanced Statistics and God" being taught in any University

See Pako's post above

www.creationevidence.org is a good site for this topic but I'm not sure if thats where I got the statistic from originally. I may have to do some research to find it again. It goes back a few years but I believe I can find it.

 

[ledhed]

Mmmmmmmmmmmm Pi..me like pi ...gimme pi.

 

[Ten]

This thread is still on page one, and isn't locked. This I find amazing, what with all the run-on religious versus atheist banter.

"They won't believe, they'll have to find it for themselves."

"I don't need your faith, I think for myself!"

To me, all this has led me to a funny conclusion. Christianity is like an automatic transmission for life. If something happens, chalk it up to God and you'll shift from one life-changing moment to the next automatically. Without that, you're left to find your own answers - and with the closure you bring yourself, YOU shift out of that moment and onto the next. You can only progress as fast as you shift, and some peopple need assistance. So faith is there for those. For the rest of us, we prefer to answer own questions - sometimes this comes with quick closure, other times it goes unanswered and we forget about it - a missed shift.

Just don't get too caught up in your questioning that you end up redlining or burning your clutch. (spending too much time contemplating and falling into a slump of depression)

If you want God in your life, He's there, I suppose. At least that's what everyone tells me. If you don't, that's cool, too. Shunning science? Whatever. If you wanna live in the dark ages, go ahead. Amish people love that stuff. However, don't be so selective. If science can't put us here, then I suppose God, not Polyphony Digital, created Gran Turismo? Again, whatever.

Maybe there's a reason for why everything happens. Maybe there isn't. Just remember this much - you only get one (last I checked). Let everytime you see or hear about someone dying - especially those that are close to you - be a reminder of that. Stop bickering about how others live, and worry about yours. They just want to be happy with what time they have here - same as you. You don't have any right to tell them they're wrong in doing that.

Sorry for the interjection. Jiminy jillickers, do I ever hate this thread...

- much love, Ten.

 

[Tacet_Blue]

www.creationevidence.org is a good site for this topic but I'm not sure if thats where I got the statistic from originally. I may have to do some research to find it again. It goes back a few years but I believe I can find it.

Well I've had a quick look at that site, (I love these sort of things ) The first thing that strikes me as ironic and a tad bit humorous, is the inclusion of Dinosaur fossils in an attempt to prove Creationism. As the Bible says the Earth is only 8000 years old, and the fossils on that site are 165 million years old...do you think I should send them an email

No sign of any statistics yet, but I came across the museum artefacts The fossilized human finger is my favourite. Obviously impossible to fake...but wait you can order your own replica online Kind of reminds me of the "Fingers of Christ" sold in the middle ages...in boxes of 12

 

[SuperCobraJet]

Like I said, it still a question of who or what you want to believe, but consider this; we are multidemensional beings. Many of you, like I did are confining your discovery or regocnization of GOD on your dominant demension,(logic, reason, intellect,etc. for most men thats the general rule). However other demensions have to be considered as well and in fact are wieghtier. For example, on your wife, girlfriend, or Mom's birthday, anniversary(whatever the case may be) you had better show up and with something more than "sorry I was out saving the world". Likewise, a mothers love is not very logical, reasonable, or even understandable sometimes, but I venture to say it is cherished and highly valued by all who have experienced it. Where do you think women get that from? Why does GOD say;" when you have searched for me with your whole heart you will find me". As I said in an earlier post, your logic and reasoning (Head) will only only take you so far, other demensions are part of the equation.

 

[Delirious]

just give up...they wont believe with evidence but only by faith, since we were led to believe by faith

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

they sure arent gonna believe by evidence...but only by faith

for anyone who didnt get it around the first time

 

[Danoff]

Likewise, a mothers love is not very logical, reasonable, or even understandable sometimes, but I venture to say it is cherished and highly valued by all who have experienced it.

How does this serve your point? Are you saying that because my mom is not logical she cannot be explained by science? Are you saying that love or emotions, being largely illogical are not explainable by science and so must be a result of some other "dimension" which science does not explain? And somehow you know that this other "dimension" is god?

You're wrong almost from the beginning.

Yes, I'll grant you that my mother is illogical, as am I at times when emotions run high. But science has a perfect explanation for this. My mothers love for her children, though illogically unconditional would have improved our chance for survival back in the cave days. That's why only children of mothers who loved them and would sacrifice for them survived... and propagated those loving genes.

Doesn't that make perfect sense? That chidlren of unloving parents would be doomed in cave days and so they wouldn't propagate their genes?

Emotions are what kept us alive in the early days. They're an instrument of nature, conditioning us to respond in predictable ways to danger, children, women, men, etc.

So even though my mother is, in fact, completely illogical with her emotions, her behavior is easily explained through science and the evolution of our species.

So your thesis is torpedoed. But that's ok, you don't have to respond to this, just move on to another angle.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

How does this serve your point? Are you saying that because my mom is not logical she cannot be explained by science? Are you saying that love or emotions, being largely illogical are not explainable by science and so must be a result of some other "dimension" which science does not explain? And somehow you know that this other "dimension" is god?

You're wrong almost from the beginning.

Yes, I'll grant you that my mother is illogical, as am I at times when emotions run high. But science has a perfect explanation for this. My mothers love for her children, though illogically unconditional would have improved our chance for survival back in the cave days. That's why only children of mothers who loved them and would sacrifice for them survived... and propagated those loving genes.

Doesn't that make perfect sense? That chidlren of unloving parents would be doomed in cave days and so they wouldn't propagate their genes?

Emotions are what kept us alive in the early days. They're an instrument of nature, conditioning us to respond in predictable ways to danger, children, women, men, etc.

So even though my mother is, in fact, completely illogical with her emotions, her behavior is easily explained through science and the evolution of our species.

So your thesis is torpedoed. But that's ok, you don't have to respond to this, just move on to another angle.

I'm not serving points or angles and it is obvious you didn't get what I was talking about. But thats OK, go ahead and explain women to us scientifically. I hope you aren't married yet.

 

[Danoff]

I hope you aren't married yet.

Yup, happily married for over 2 years now. My wife would agree with me 100% on this.

it is obvious you didn't get what I was talking about.

What did I miss? Where did I go wrong? Please explain so that I might see the light.

 

[Famine]

Like I said, it still a question of who or what you want to believe, but consider this; we are multidemensional beings. Many of you, like I did are confining your discovery or regocnization of GOD on your dominant demension,(logic, reason, intellect,etc. for most men thats the general rule). However other demensions have to be considered as well and in fact are wieghtier. For example, on your wife, girlfriend, or Mom's birthday, anniversary(whatever the case may be) you had better show up and with something more than "sorry I was out saving the world". Likewise, a mothers love is not very logical, reasonable, or even understandable sometimes, but I venture to say it is cherished and highly valued by all who have experienced it. Where do you think women get that from? Why does GOD say;" when you have searched for me with your whole heart you will find me". As I said in an earlier post, your logic and reasoning (Head) will only only take you so far, other demensions are part of the equation.

Multi-dementional more like...

Of COURSE we're multi-dimensional beings. Have you ever seen anything just made up out of width?

 

[Pako]

How does this serve your point? Are you saying that because my mom is not logical she cannot be explained by science? Are you saying that love or emotions, being largely illogical are not explainable by science and so must be a result of some other "dimension" which science does not explain? And somehow you know that this other "dimension" is god?

You're wrong almost from the beginning.

Yes, I'll grant you that my mother is illogical, as am I at times when emotions run high. But science has a perfect explanation for this. My mothers love for her children, though illogically unconditional would have improved our chance for survival back in the cave days. That's why only children of mothers who loved them and would sacrifice for them survived... and propagated those loving genes.

Doesn't that make perfect sense? That chidlren of unloving parents would be doomed in cave days and so they wouldn't propagate their genes?

Emotions are what kept us alive in the early days. They're an instrument of nature, conditioning us to respond in predictable ways to danger, children, women, men, etc.

So even though my mother is, in fact, completely illogical with her emotions, her behavior is easily explained through science and the evolution of our species.

So your thesis is torpedoed. But that's ok, you don't have to respond to this, just move on to another angle.

Although sounding logical, or even probable, there is no 'proof' that love is a conditioned response for our survival. I see you have faith in something that lacks scientific proof.

Shame on you....

 

[Max_DC]

for anyone who didnt get it around the first time

If I tell people things that are not true, I can't give a proof for my "very little realistic speculations"....
The only way to convince them now, is to say : You just have to believe.... try to wake up XVII... If you can't or don't want to, then don't... be and let be....

 

[Pako]

Famine,

Care to help me on this post?

 

[SuperCobraJet]

Yup, happily married for over 2 years now. My wife would agree with me 100% on this..

Good, I hope it will continue.

What did I miss? Where did I go wrong? Please explain so that I might see the light.

I was saying you have to consider discovering GOD in more than one demension.
Or other than in just logic or on an intellectual basis.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

Multi-dementional more like...

Of COURSE we're multi-dimensional beings. Have you ever seen anything just made up out of width?

You wouldn't be trying to sidestep me there would ya?

 

[Famine]

Pako - It's REALLY dull and complicated. You wouldn't want me to.

Essentially, what it boils down to, is rRNA-typing - like the Human Genome Project found out what the chemical make-up of the entire human DNA sequence is, you can do the same thing on a smaller scale with cellular components.

Families of organisms share rRNA traits and subunit sizes, and they match quite nicely with Linnaean Classification of organisms. You can track minor changes across species, orders and genuses and determine common ancestries.

Basically it's molecular biology proving 1800s science right - and not just for Linnaeus and Darwin.


For reference, the sequence of "DNA makes RNA makes protein" isn't entirely accurate. Protein makes RNA, which makes DNA, or DNA, and DNA can also make more DNA.

You wouldn't be trying to sidestep me there would ya.

Why would I even need to? You've done so much sidestepping yourself you're practically in Burma.

What on Earth is your phrase "we are multidemensional beings" (sic) supposed to convey? Yes, we ARE multi-dimensional beings. We live in width, length, height, time and the 7 other dimensions, seeing as the universe does and we are components thereof. How does this help in any way?