Questioning Religion

[SuperCobraJet]

So...
If you can communicate with evil spirits through a Ouija board - which is inanimate but claimed to provide a corridor to the spirit world - but not spirits in Heaven, because they don't want to come back, regardless of the intent of the User, how come the Holy Spirit can communicate with you?.

I wish there was a way to get you off this Ouija board thing. Just for the sake of
variety, for the next round, lets switch to a "crystal ball". Waddaya say?

Latest contortion eagerly awaited.

When you accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour, (I have detailed this in a prior post) and get what is referred to as "The Baptism of the Holy Spirit" the Holy Spirit enters your body and becomes an additional dimension to your exsisting dimensions. It is for the purpose of becoming your "Dominant dimension" and leading you into all Truth. Or the things of GOD (or of the spirit) you can't understand without this dimension.

 

[MrktMkr1986]

Yea, I see what your saying. I made a post earlier in reference to somethings God told me and one was, which Church I should attend. That Church has about a 60/40, black to white membership. I'm still attending it and am a member as well. I want to elaborate on this a little more. To you, that recommendation might seem insignificant, but for me it was a radical departure from my upbringing and traditions. Now by saying that, I was never raised to hate or mistreat anyone and certainly never embraced the klan. Thats not what I mean. But, down here there is a traditional segregative underpinning. Blacks go to their Church, and Whites go to theirs, type thing. Socially, to a degree, it is still so too, although not as much as it used to be. Now, I did not have to take GOD's recommendation if I didn't want to, but if he made it to me it had to be to my benefit. Like I said in an earlier post, I have to admit, in all probability, GOD's is smarter than me. The result is, it has greatly been to my benefit.

Yonkers has a segregative underpinning as well.

I digress -- I prefer to go to racially-mixed churches than ones that are predominantly (insert demographic here). Glad to hear, though, that you're not a racist.

 

[PS]

I digress -- I prefer to go to racially-mixed churches than ones that are predominantly (insert demographic here). Glad to hear, though, that you're not a racist.

[Texan accent]"I am not a racist-- I hate everybody irrelevant of other issues.[/Texan accent] *excerpt from Vice City

I wish there was a way to get you off this Ouija board thing. Just for the sake of
variety, for the next round, lets switch to a "crystal ball". Waddaya say?

I say no. I too want to know why good spirits can't communicate, and why you can't answer us when we ask you why you said it was evil and then you said it wasn't. THEN we'll get to the crystal ball, another inanimate object.

 

[Famine]

I wish there was a way to get you off this Ouija board thing. Just for the sake of
variety, for the next round, lets switch to a "crystal ball". Waddaya say?

Latest contortion eagerly awaited.

Still wriggling out of that one then. Let me reiterate:


"If you can communicate with evil spirits through a Ouija board - which is inanimate but claimed to provide a corridor to the spirit world - but not spirits in Heaven, because they don't want to come back, regardless of the intent of the User, how come the Holy Spirit can communicate with you?"


Your statements lend themselves to just two possibilites. Either it's possible to speak to Heaven with a Ouija board - or other pseudo-mystic claptrap device - which purports to allow you to speak with the spirit world, or it's not possible to speak to Heaven at all.

So, you're either wrong about Ouija boards (etc.) or you're wrong about the Holy Spirit communicating with you - and by extension, the Holy Spirit's impregnantion of a Jewish virgin is also incorrect...

 

[Duke]

IF YOU THINK OF SOMETHING USEFUL TO ADD ON TO YOUR POST AFTER YOU HAVE MADE IT, CLICK ON THE

BUTTON IN THE BOTTOM-RIGHT OF THAT POST AND ADD IT ON. DO NOT PERSISTANTLY MAKE MULTIPLE CONSECUTIVE POSTS.

I would like to state, for the record and as a staff member, that it's fine for him to address individual posts sequentially as he has been. It does help to keep the replies clearer in a non-subthread-style board like this.

But yes, if you're adding thoughts to your own post immediately above, please edit them in rather than adding another post.

 

[Famine]

I sit corrected - although I hate consecutive posting myself and will always edit further quotes into messages where suitable.

 

[Blake]

I would like to state, for the record and as a staff member, that it's fine for him to address individual posts sequentially as he has been. It does help to keep the replies clearer in a non-subthread-style board like this.

But yes, if you're adding thoughts to your own post immediately above, please edit them in rather than adding another post.

Serious? I had always been "brought up" to believe that double posting was bad, at least within a few minutes of eachother....even if the subject matter was different....

Blake

 

[Sage]

Personally, I think it's a matter of how long the posts are. When someone double-posts with one-line posts, then it's a waste of space, since their avatar and signature will take up more room than the posts themselves. But, SCJ's posts are long enough that it makes almost no difference whether they're editted together or made separate.

 

[Famine]

SCJ's posts are long

And yet utterly lacking in content...

 

[SuperCobraJet]

[Texan accent]"I am not a racist-- I hate everybody irrelevant of other issues.[/Texan accent] *excerpt from Vice City
I say no. I too want to know why good spirits can't communicate, and why you can't answer us when we ask you why you said it was evil and then you said it wasn't. THEN we'll get to the crystal ball, another inanimate object.

As far as I know, there is only one "good spirit", and as I have said already, more than once, it is the spirit of GOD, otherwise known as the "Holy Spirit".
I have just described the only way I know you can get it, and in that description, since he comes to reside in you, he can communicate with you.
Again, the evil involved in a Ouiji board is not the board itself, but the intent and purpose , by which it is being used.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

Still wriggling out of that one then. Let me reiterate:
"If you can communicate with evil spirits through a Ouija board - which is inanimate but claimed to provide a corridor to the spirit world - but not spirits in Heaven, because they don't want to come back, regardless of the intent of the User, how come the Holy Spirit can communicate with you?"
Your statements lend themselves to just two possibilites. Either it's possible to speak to Heaven with a Ouija board - or other pseudo-mystic claptrap device - which purports to allow you to speak with the spirit world, or it's not possible to speak to Heaven at all.
So, you're either wrong about Ouija boards (etc.) or you're wrong about the Holy Spirit communicating with you - and by extension, the Holy Spirit's impregnantion of a Jewish virgin is also incorrect...

Does any part of post 670 answer your question?

And yet utterly lacking in content......

Ouch, I hope their was some content somewhere, in all those posts. Maybe just a teeny, weeny bit?

Thanks to Duke and Sage for the clarifications.

 

[Danoff]

As far as I know, there is only one "good spirit", and as I have said already, more than once, it is the spirit of GOD, otherwise known as the "Holy Spirit".

You don't know that there is even one "good spirit".

I've explained to you before how you cannot know but you've ignored me. I just figured I'd keep poking at you.

 

[PS]

As far as I know, there is only one "good spirit", and as I have said already, more than once, it is the spirit of GOD, otherwise known as the "Holy Spirit".
I have just described the only way I know you can get it, and in that description, since he comes to reside in you, he can communicate with you.
Again, the evil involved in a Ouiji board is not the board itself, but the intent and purpose , by which it is being used.

No, as far as you "know", Christianity is the only single right religion. So, if it's the intent for evil, then does that mean if I really wanted to, and had evil intentions, I could turn my coke can into a gateway for demons? Or does it only work with pieces of wood with letters and numbers all over them?

 

[MrktMkr1986]

No, as far as you "know", Christianity is the only single right religion. So, if it's the intent for evil, then does that mean if I really wanted to, and had evil intentions, I could turn my coke can into a gateway for demons? Or does it only work with pieces of word with letters and numbers all over them?

I believe he established that already. According to him, it's not the object, it is the intent. According to him, you can use a coke can to contact evil spirits just as easily as a Ouija board. The only thing is, I think the company that makes the Ouija board (forget the name, are they publicly-traded? ), are using the whole "evil spirit" thing to market their product. It's all about marketing, profits, capitalism, expansion etc. Not evil spirits, in my opinion.

Anyway, I'm surprised SCJ didn't respond to your accusation that he was a racist...

 

[PS]

I called him a racist?

*goes off to speak to satan through coke can*

 

[SuperCobraJet]

You don't know that there is even one "good spirit".
I've explained to you before how you cannot know but you've ignored me. I just figured I'd keep poking at you.

Poke on, if it makes you happy. I can only attest to what I do know. BTW I don't wish to re-enter the revolving door of incognizable inclination, if its all the same to you.

 

[JGTChampion]

I think religion is dumb and thats why im atheist.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

No, as far as you "know", Christianity is the only single right religion. So, if it's the intent for evil, then does that mean if I really wanted to, and had evil intentions, I could turn my coke can into a gateway for demons? Or does it only work with pieces of word with letters and numbers all over them?

It just simply means, if you want to; seek after, communicate with, connect with, or otherwise, have relation to "demonic "or synonimously "evil" spirits, you can. They are real, and they do exsist. However, its a one way relationship, and by that I mean, they will be the USER and you will be the use-ee.

I called him a racist?

I don't recall you having done that either.

 

[MrktMkr1986]

[Texan accent]"I am not a racist-- I hate everybody irrelevant of other issues.[/Texan accent] *excerpt from Vice City

Maybe you were just joking, but based on the context in which it was used (in response to my saying "glad to hear you're NOT a racist), I interpreted it as you saying there is a chance he is a racist.

Or maybe I'm just confusing myself?

 

[PS]

It was a joke that John F Hickory says on VCPR.

It just simply means, if you want to; seek after, communicate with, connect with, or otherwise, have relation to "demonic "or synonimously "evil" spirits, you can. They are real, and they do exsist. However, its a one way relationship, and by that I mean, they will be the USER and you will be the use-ee.

So would my life become crap, or would I start becoming sinister? Or would things just start getting crappy for me and I wouldn't even realize it? This actually intrigues me now.

I think religion is dumb and thats why im atheist.

How profound.

 

[JGTChampion]

How profound.[/QUOTE]


thats my opinion

 

[Famine]

Does any part of post 670 answer your question?

No, not really. You skipped right over the "regardless of the intent of the user" part.

Your statements on this issue give rise to the following thoughts:

You believe that it is possible to contact spirits through the use of an Ouija board.
You believe that it is the user, not the board, that is responsible for this.
Yet you believe that a "good" user cannot contact "good" spirits through the use of the board.
One can assume from this that in fact it is neither the user nor the board that can contact spirits - since apparently a bad person can call up bad spirits but a good one cannot call up good spirits - so in fact an Ouija board is useless.
Then again, you believe that it is possible to contact spirits through the use of an Ouija board.

Do you see how circular that is? And yet you've said all of these things - apart from the logical extension of the statements which links the circle.

Then we have the next set of thoughts:

You believe it's only possible to contact evil spirits, since only evil spirits want to be contacted.
Good spirits do not wish to return from Heaven.
Yet you believe you are in contact with the Holy Spirit, and you believe that the Holy Spirit knocked Mary up (one of the fundamental fulcra of your religion), and that Jesus will come down from Heaven to initiate Judgment Day.
The Holy Spirit, part of the Holy Trinity, resides in Heaven with the Father and the Son, according to your religion. Thus, by extension of your statements, none of the three wish to be contacted by humans as they are in Heaven.

That's not very circular at all. So, as I said, you're either wrong about being able to contact good spirits through para-psychic machinations (in that you actually can), or you're wrong about your entire religion. IF you stand by your statements.

 

[PS]

I think he should just become jewish and drop the whole evil thing. It's easier that way, only half the problems to worry about and oddities to explain/make up.

thats my opinion

It's not much of an opinion. You see, at GTP in order to just state an opinion, you have to back it up with an explanation. Otherwise, it's just useless spam that slows down the server, reduces bandwith, and gives people one more thing to ignore. Welcome to GTP, btw.

 

[Danoff]

Poke on, if it makes you happy. I can only attest to what I do know. BTW I don't wish to re-enter the revolving door of incognizable inclination, if its all the same to you.

You don't know that there is even one "good spirit". You CANNOT know there is even one "good spirit". So don't claim you can.

You don't even have strong evidence there is even one "good spirit".

You confuse order for evidence of design. You confuse existance for evidence of creation. And you confuse creation for evidence of "good".

 

[JGTChampion]

Welcome to GTP, btw.[/QUOTE]



Thanks

 

[JGTChampion]

sorry for causing problems
my bad, didnt know

 

[Blake]

I think he should just become jewish and drop the whole evil thing. It's easier that way, only half the problems to worry about and oddities to explain/make up.

I dunno, the old testament is pretty messed up...

You don't know that there is even one "good spirit". You CANNOT know there is even one "good spirit". So don't claim you can.

You don't even have strong evidence there is even one "good spirit".

You confuse order for evidence of design. You confuse existance for evidence of creation. And you confuse creation for evidence of "good".

Exactly, there is no real evidence that there is a god. There are huge flaws in the religion itself unless you choose to ignore many accepted scientific theories which probably are correct.

That being said I can't prove there is NO god, but I'm pretty sure there is no god as described in the Bible.

Blake

 

[Danoff]

Exactly, there is no real evidence that there is a god. There are huge flaws in the religion itself unless you choose to ignore many accepted scientific theories which probably are correct.

That being said I can't prove there is NO god, but I'm pretty sure there is no god as described in the Bible.

My point is that even if you could prove that there IS a god, you don't know which god it is or what that god is like.

 

[MrktMkr1986]

My point is that even if you could prove that there IS a god, you don't know which god it is or what that god is like.

And my point is, for some people, it's not always about proof or scientific evidence. For some people, it's about faith.

 

[Danoff]

And my point is, for some people, it's not always about proof or scientific evidence. For some people, it's about faith.

What gives you any reason to put your faith in one book's god versus any other?