Questioning Religion

[PS]

Don't let that blind you from the point he was trying to make.

I didn't, just adding my 2 cents.

Good point, but you're not going to convince someone that their "truth" is right or wrong until a FACT has been proven.

Alas, the innevitable fact comes back to bite me in the ass.

Again, and again, and again, and again...

'Cause it's the song that never ends...
Yes it just keeps on going on and on my friend
We just started singing it not knowing what it was...

I'm psychic. j/k

Is that why my cereal just said "ooooooooo!!"??!!1

That's not what I meant. The last place you saw the object was in your car. If someone moved it somewhere else without telling you, you would continue to believe the "truth" that the object is still in the car. The FACT is that the object is in your bedroom. You're not lying, your telling the truth -- even though its not a fact.

Oh ok, I just thought you meant he was aware it was in the bedroom. But yah I agree with that.

That is a possibility, but until it can be proven as fact, it is merely one "truth" among a sea of "truths".

They're everywhere!

His truths cannot be wrong until they are proven wrong.

Can't be right either.

I still believe in questioning everything -- I said that because if one truth (God exists) overrides another truth (God does not exist), I'd like to know that death is not "final". Still question everything, that's just my set of personal beliefs.

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[MrktMkr1986]

I didn't, just adding my 2 cents.

OK, no problem. 👍

Alas, the innevitable fact comes back to bite me in the ass.

You knew it was coming!

'Cause it's the song that never ends...
Yes it just keeps on going on and on my friend
We just started singing it not knowing what it was...

Is that why my cereal just said "ooooooooo!!"??!!1

Perhaps...

Oh ok, I just thought you meant he was aware it was in the bedroom. But yah I agree with that.

They're everywhere!

There's a swarm of truths around me!

Can't be right either.

Only in comparison to your truth. His truth is "right" to him. Just like with the object example -- your "truth" is right to you, his "truth" is right to him.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

You should become more familiar with aerodynamics before making statements like that. Planes do not defy gravity-- they displace air and use air pressure and air density to their advantage.

I didn't say they defy it. I said they overcome it. Are you saying that is not a true statement?

No, because to have 100% knowledge of something, means to have taken into consideration 100% of all factors that could affect the outcome of anything, which is impossible, since many of them are changing constantly.

As I said, with man I agree, but with GOD, he has the 100% and the changes covered.

But how do they know they have the Holy Spirit? They could be misinterpreting it. Heck, it could be from that hangover or night of salsa food, or all those anti-depressants someone is on.

Cotton could be a monkey too, but in this case, he isn't.

Then his truth may be right, but his facts are wrong and therefore doesn't know 100% that it's the Holy Spirit. If he knew 100% (hypothetically of course), then he would obviously "know" there is no such thing.

This looks like that circle of logic Famine was talking about.

Oh, and man can't fly. We can glide at high speeds, and we can ride large vehicles which fly.

Whether its a magic carpet or a 747, it's still flying in my book.

 

[PS]

I didn't say they defy it. I said they overcome it. Are you saying that is not a true statement?

If they could overcome gravity, they'd be able to fly wherever they want.

As I said, with man I agree, but with GOD, he has the 100% and the changes covered.

You may believe GOD to be true, but you don't know 100% that he/she exists.

Cotton could be a monkey too, but in this case, he isn't.

That was uncalled for. And besides, you don't know that.

This looks like that circle of logic Famine was talking about.

Should I explain more?

Whether its a magic carpet or a 747, it's still flying in my book.

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[MrktMkr1986]

If they could overcome gravity, they'd be able to fly wherever they want.

Good point.

You may believe GOD to be true, but you don't know 100% that he/she exists.

Actually, yes he does, because it is his truth. It may/may not be fact, but because it is his truth, he knows 100% that God exists.

Should I explain more?

I think so.

 

[PS]

Actually, yes he does, because it is his truth. It may/may not be fact, but because it is his truth, he knows 100% that God exists.

Nup, not quite. He believes 100%, but doesn't know 100%.

 

[Sage]

I don't think this thread has progressed at all in the last 35 pages. It's like a snake eating its own tail.

I'd like to suggest that everybody take a step back and try to hit the "roots" of the matter a little more, since this has become a bickering-fest on disconnected and somewhat trivial points. That's just my suggestion though, as a bystander, not a moderator…

 

[PS]

Well I don't really see what there is to discuss anymore, it's a lost cause. If it gets locked then w/e, we haven't really questioned religion since the second page anyway.

 

[Max_DC]

Well I don't really see what there is to discuss anymore, it's a lost cause. If it gets locked then w/e, we haven't really questioned religion since the second page anyway.

Yeah, relax and watch
Only availible until sunday

whoooooooo hundret and one .......

 

[SuperCobraJet]

I don't think this thread has progressed at all in the last 35 pages. It's like a snake eating its own tail.

I'd like to suggest that everybody take a step back and try to hit the "roots" of the matter a little more, since this has become a bickering-fest on disconnected and somewhat trivial points. That's just my suggestion though, as a bystander, not a moderator…

Originally Posted by PS:Well I don't really see what there is to discuss anymore, it's a lost cause. If it gets locked then w/e, we haven't really questioned religion since the second page anyway.


I don't know, whether or not, there should even be a "progress expectation," and on the surface, I can see why it looks as if a "bickering fest" is all thats going on. However, under the surface, I'm not so sure its a lost cause. Considering the subject matter, one expectation I think you could count on going in, is that there would certainly be some "bickering" involved and there is definitely some questioning going on here, but I'm not convinced its all about religion.

 

[PS]

All I'm saying is, is that the future conversations in the thread will be exactly like the past ones we've had. The only difference is that it may be a different discrepency we're all bickering over.

 

[PS]

Satanism.

What are your opinions on Satanism? Are you for it, or against it? Why, why not?

I'm here to swing the thread around into another direction- not Christianity, but Satanism. People sure hate satanism a lot, and it's not wildly popular. So I bring you a new topic of which to question the religion of Satanism. And before you say anything, I'm not a Satanist in any way. I am an atheist which puts me in disregard for anything to be said in this thread. But the focus of the opinions forum has been so heavily weighed against Christianity, that you may be surprised what else is out there.

All thoughts, words and opinions are appreciated.

 

[MrktMkr1986]

Satanism is just another religion. It's a relatively new religion -- it was founded in 1966 and believe it or not, is actually recognized by the US government. As a matter of clarification satanists don't really worship Satan. Satanism focuses primarily on the advancement of the individual, through personal achivement, and responsibility,and stresses a strong sense of elitism. Sounds similar to... something else.

 

[Anderton Prime]

For crying out loud, PS, let this thread go to sleep will ya? It has no end, save letting it die. But you seek to resurrect it. Why? For God's sake, WHY?

 

[Zrow]

For crying out loud, PS, let this thread go to sleep will ya? It has no end, save letting it die. But you seek to resurrect it. Why? For God's sake, WHY?

Because this is the opinions forum, and we don't have anything better to do. The point isn't to reach an 'end'; we're just debating here.

 

[Zrow]

Satanism is just another religion. It's a relatively new religion -- it was founded in 1966 and believe it or not, is actually recognized by the US government. As a matter of clarification satanists don't really worship Satan. Satanism focuses primarily on the advancement of the individual, through personal achivement, and responsibility,and stresses a strong sense of elitism. Sounds similar to... something else.

Objectivism?

 

[MrktMkr1986]

Objectivism?

I was thinking more along the lines of Libertarianism -- they believe all human relationships should be voluntary. As this is also part of Objectivism, Objectivism is a technically a Libertarian philosophy. So yes, you are correct.

 

[PS]

Satanism is just another religion. It's a relatively new religion -- it was founded in 1966 and believe it or not, is actually recognized by the US government. As a matter of clarification satanists don't really worship Satan. Satanism focuses primarily on the advancement of the individual, through personal achivement, and responsibility,and stresses a strong sense of elitism. Sounds similar to... something else.

I was kind of hoping people would rush to some big conclusion that Satanism was for the evil minded...but nonetheless, good job on your research, Brian.

And thanks for the kind words, Anderton.

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Oh oh oh - -

For crying out loud, PS, let this thread go to sleep will ya? It has no end, save letting it die. But you seek to resurrect it. Why? For God's sake, WHY?

I. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.

VIII. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.

The same reason someone resurrected the Gay Marriage thread, and the Creation VS Evolution thread— which, by the way, weren't resurrected by me.

 

[MrktMkr1986]

I was kind of hoping people would rush to some big conclusion that Satanism was for the evil minded...but nonetheless, good job on your research, Brian.

Thanks. I wanted to know more about it myself. I didn't want to jump to any conclusions which is why I cut the opinion short. However, Zrow picked up on what I was hinting at.

 

[PS]

Thanks. I wanted to know more about it myself. I didn't want to jump to any conclusions which is why I cut the opinion short. However, Zrow picked up on what I was hinting at.

No problem. The only thing I don't like however, is the elitism part of it. I don't want to cast myself as someone greater as another, but I do agree with about 75% of the points presented in Satanism (much more than any other religion I can tell you that). While I'm all for eliminating stupidity, it's moreso through education not killing. His tactics are a little harsh but quite direct, literal, and seemingly common sense. The only problem is, is that it could be considered a form of Genocidal Eugenics, should some sort of revolution occur.

 

[Lee]

Ever since i could think for myself i have nvr belived in god or the bible, yeah ive been christened but i just dont find it right tht one man can do all this....

All i belive in is what i can see, touch and hear...

 

[MrktMkr1986]

All i belive in is what i can see, touch and hear...

Not to be rude or anything, but I guess that means I don't exist then.

 

[Swift]

Not to be rude or anything, but I guess that means I don't exist then.

That's not rude. That's the direct conclusion that can be taken from what he said.

 

[ledhed]

I believe midgets live in my computer and put words on the screen with tiny typewriters.

 

[MrktMkr1986]

I believe midgets live in my computer and put words on the screen with tiny typewriters.

Sorry, Mike, but I've disassembled computers before. There are no midgets.

 

[Danoff]

Sorry, Mike, but I've disassembled computers before. There are no midgets.

You experimented on your computer, found some evidence and came to the concluson that ledhed was wrong... now just imagine doing that to the bible.

 

[ledhed]

The midgets hid when they knew he was comming. Just because he did not see them dosnt mean they were not there. They just moved over to my monitor . Thats why my computer is so sluggish.

 

[MrktMkr1986]

You experimented on your computer, found some evidence and came to the concluson that ledhed was wrong... now just imagine doing that to the bible.

I have... and as a result, I've come to the conclusion that science cannot explain everything.

The midgets hid when they knew he was comming. Just because he did not see them dosnt mean they were not there. They just moved over to my monitor . Thats why my computer is so sluggish.

I wouldn't discount the possibility given the new theory.

 

[ledhed]

so you want to take these midgets back now ? They keep drinking up all my beer .

 

[Swift]

You experimented on your computer, found some evidence and came to the concluson that ledhed was wrong... now just imagine doing that to the bible.

Just show me where you believe the bible contradicts itself.