RaceRoom: The Racing Experience General Discussion

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To be honest if R3E would be more cheaper than it is now they can close S3 Studios immediately. Nobody gets rich or drives a Ferrari they work on the edge of the budget they have and do an awesome but also hard job. Look what licences R3E has and i think this is an very expensive part. We also have licenced liverys. Take a look a PCars they dont even have real brands on the race tracks, liverys...

I tried Simraceway a while ago and the credit system was a joke. It would take hundrets of races/ years to get enough cash for an simple BMW 1M.

Personally i like the system iRacing has and also their own MP service. They have 10 years anniversary next year and they set the standards for accuracy und quality.

Sure its not cheap but its worth it and if i like a game in my favourite genre then i dont have a problem to pay a price and support the devs.
 
To be honest if R3E would be more cheaper than it is now they can close S3 Studios immediately. Nobody gets rich or drives a Ferrari they work on the edge of the budget they have and do an awesome but also hard job. Look what licences R3E has and i think this is an very expensive part. We also have licenced liverys. Take a look a PCars they dont even have real brands on the race tracks, liverys...

I tried Simraceway a while ago and the credit system was a joke. It would take hundrets of races/ years to get enough cash for an simple BMW 1M.

Personally i like the system iRacing has and also their own MP service. They have 10 years anniversary next year and they set the standards for accuracy und quality.

Sure its not cheap but its worth it and if i like a game in my favourite genre then i dont have a problem to pay a price and support the devs.

I'm not saying they don't work hard or that the game is bad, just that I'm not a fan of the fact that vRP has no reasonable way for someone who isn't a driving god to get it without paying for it. This game for me is just impossible to enjoy without being able to afford more cars then just the default cars and tracks I have (which is my main draw to ANY racing sim). I know Simraceway isn't the best (Its more or less a prettier rFactor), but its the simplest in how I can get car. I could spend actual money for cars or I could do loads of races and get credits that way. I understand grinding isn't everyone's thing, but I would just rather do that (which isn't anywhere near as sleep inducing as GT6) and as someone who a lot of times just doesn't have the money to get a lot of anything after Bills and supplies for school are taken care of, it just works better for me. I try to spend as little as possible and frankly, I'm just not a fan of R3E's pricing for its content nor the idea of buying in-game credits just to get said content (something I avoided entirely in GT6 and something I'm really avoiding in a current MMO I'm playing on PS4). That Free weekend was the most fun I had with the game and sadly, its also the depressing reminder of the great content I'll never be able to get because of the way in which to get them isn't simple nor cheap for me.
 
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To be honest if R3E would be more cheaper than it is now they can close S3 Studios immediately. Nobody gets rich or drives a Ferrari they work on the edge of the budget they have and do an awesome but also hard job. Look what licences R3E has and i think this is an very expensive part. We also have licenced liverys. Take a look a PCars they dont even have real brands on the race tracks, liverys...

I tried Simraceway a while ago and the credit system was a joke. It would take hundrets of races/ years to get enough cash for an simple BMW 1M.

Personally i like the system iRacing has and also their own MP service. They have 10 years anniversary next year and they set the standards for accuracy und quality.

Sure its not cheap but its worth it and if i like a game in my favourite genre then i dont have a problem to pay a price and support the devs.

Actually, Sector 3 might sell more copies if it's priced reasonably and get rid of the F2P model. Enough to offset the cheaper price. It's the reason why Steam sales are insanely cheap. The developers (and Steam) have worked out that people will buy more when it's cheap and the end revenue is greater than when a game is priced expensively and no one buys it.

I bet even Race07 makes more money for Simbin/Sector 3 than RRRE and all its expansion packs combined.
 
I hope not. I like to have the abillity to buy 1 car and can compete in the pack/experience/ or MP... In case of Race or Pcars you have to buy everything to be able to join MP ect... So i wont buy the new Pcars DLC because i give a **** on old Lotus race cars... Im only interested in the historic tracks... So they get 0 money from me...
 
I hope not. I like to have the abillity to buy 1 car and can compete in the pack/experience/ or MP... In case of Race or Pcars you have to buy everything to be able to join MP ect... So i wont buy the new Pcars DLC because i give a **** on old Lotus race cars... Im only interested in the historic tracks... So they get 0 money from me...

It is my understanding that with Pcars, providing the lobby host has access to the DLC, anyone who joins can race with the DLC content whether they have it or not, so no real need, in MP, to buy all the DLC to participate.
 
I hope not. I like to have the abillity to buy 1 car and can compete in the pack/experience/ or MP... In case of Race or Pcars you have to buy everything to be able to join MP ect... So i wont buy the new Pcars DLC because i give a **** on old Lotus race cars... Im only interested in the historic tracks... So they get 0 money from me...

As Cote Dazur said, PCARS gives you a loaner car if you don't have the DLC, so you can still race even if you haven't bought it.

There are far better ways to avoid fragmenting the community with DLC without ruining the whole game's pricing model. I respect your preference, but you can't deny RRRE is not as popular as it can be. And a big reason for that is the awkward pricing system.
 
Honestly, I'm okay with the prices for additional content. With the DTM 2015 Experience pack (last time I checked, it was 84% off) you get 3 cars and 9 tracks for around 15 dollars. On iRacing, where there are almost no sales, only one track on there would cost the same price. A track not on sale on R3E would probably be around 5 or 6 dollars, so imo, I think R3E is very reasonably priced
 
If you treat the packs as DLC, then yes they are reasonable. But there should be an option to buy everything (and I mean everything - all cars, tracks, liveries) at a discounted price ($90-100 would be reasonable) without requiring the user themselves to try and mix-n-match the different packs to try and get the best deal.
 
For me there are 2 problems with R3R's system:

- You have to spend a lot of time comparing packs vs individual cars an tracks, and against the content you already own, so it's quite a chore to assess the best deals and you have to calculate these VRP's against the € and $ on top of it. Also having to buy VRP's in bundles is not very convenient.
Just get rid of them and work with normal currency, that would already be a lot less hassle IMO.

- A lot of the content we already own in other racing sims, mostly for free so why would i want to pay for a track or car if i already own it in 3 other games.
 
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For me there are 2 problems with R3R's system:

- You have to spend a lot of time comparing packs vs individual cars an tracks, and against the content you already own, so it's quite a chore to assess the best deals and you have to calculate these VRP's against the € and $ on top of it. Also having to buy VRP's in bundles is not very convenient.
Just get rid of them and work with normal currency, that would already be a lot less hassle IMO.

- A lot of the content we already own in other racing sims, mostly for free so why would i want to pay for a track or car if i already own it in 3 other games.

Pretty much my main issue (along with the fact that you more or less have to be an alien to win vRP)
 

I think of all the versions i've seen in the last years this takes the win. photorealistic almost!
Think i'll need to return to R3R soon as i haven't touched it since the beginning of the year.
 
You missed some great improvements... Go for GTR3, Aquila, Silhouette, FR2 and Audi TT to feel the latest updates...
Cheers, i guess most of the content i bought last year has 'old' physics still?
 
I think of all the versions i've seen in the last years this takes the win. photorealistic almost!
Think i'll need to return to R3R soon as i haven't touched it since the beginning of the year.
R3E has a very realistic lighting model now, but external replays still let it down... Then you see the low quality trackside elements.

It's definitely at it's best when driving in cockpit mode with all graphical settings on max.
 
I'd love to see a 4 way Nurburgring comparison GT vs AC vs iRacing vs RRRE.
I doubt any of the YouTube content makers will include GT, since it didn't ever broadcast "we laser scanned Nordschleife" loudly to the whole world. Forza 5/6 did, however, so that might be included.

But I assume as soon as the R3E Nordschleife is released we'll immediately get AC/iRacing comparisons.
 
Honestly, I'm okay with the prices for additional content. With the DTM 2015 Experience pack (last time I checked, it was 84% off) you get 3 cars and 9 tracks for around 15 dollars. On iRacing, where there are almost no sales, only one track on there would cost the same price. A track not on sale on R3E would probably be around 5 or 6 dollars, so imo, I think R3E is very reasonably priced

Not a good comparison. As much as iRacing's entire model is flawed, you pay iRacing for the multiplayer, which seems non existent in this game bar time trail competitions. I dislike iRacing a lot, but no single car game comes close in terms of online racing. It is easy, and has a system (whilst flawed) is better than most other games.
 
For me there are 2 problems with R3R's system:

- You have to spend a lot of time comparing packs vs individual cars an tracks, and against the content you already own, so it's quite a chore to assess the best deals and you have to calculate these VRP's against the € and $ on top of it. Also having to buy VRP's in bundles is not very convenient.
Just get rid of them and work with normal currency, that would already be a lot less hassle IMO.

- A lot of the content we already own in other racing sims, mostly for free so why would i want to pay for a track or car if i already own it in 3 other games.

That's not really true. I don't spend any time comparing packs vs. individual cars and tracks, packs/experiences are always the best deal on a price per piece basis. If you don't want the whole pack you can just buy one of the cars and get into any races using that class for only a couple bucks. I also don't do any VRP calculations, I just add the item to my cart to see what the price would be in my local currency, if I like the price I buy it, if I don't I remove it.

And you don't have to buy VRP's in bulk, you can just add it to your cart and then pay with funds in your Steam wallet. Yes, you get a bit of a discount if you buy them in bulk, but it's not a requirement (I've only done it once). The reason they use VRP's is so they can give them away in competitions, doing that with real currency can go up against various anti-gambling laws, and IIRC they are awarded randomly (to anyone in the top 10?) from the competitions so you don't necessarily have to be a super alien to have a chance of winning them. Personally I think it's pretty cool that they do that, I don't know of anyone else doing it.

Yes, it's a confusing system and I'm sure it's turned some people off or caused others to spend more money than they needed to. Yes it's cheaper than iRacing, but can also be more expensvie than every other sim. Not an ideal system but it's also not that hard to understand and the more you own the cheaper it all gets. If you have any questions just ask me, I have a fairly firm grasp on how it all works and can make sure you're getting the most for your money.

As for the last comment, R3E is the only sim I know of that actually gives you any content for free, they give you three tracks and about a half dozen cars for zero investment and you can race them as often as you like, even online. In regards to already owning the stuff in other sims, well, R3E gives a truly unique experience from any of the other sims and they also offer a lot of tracks/cars that aren't commonly found in other sims. I can't think of another sim where I can (out of the box) drive Group 5's around Zolder, or a full field of DTM cars around Norisring, or a Daytona Prototype around Lausitz.
 
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