Random Car Facts

[Zenith]

^ Those are really no "production" as in mass production is how I take the term.

When its all said and done there will probally near 10k of those engines made and that guess would inculde ones built for warranty needs and FRPPs crate engine program.

Let's see, most of those cars were built in a factory to be purchased by the public to be driven on public roads. They're production cars. You can't discount them because you say so.

 

[Bopop4]

I know a lot of people have trouble with rise, slope, angle, grade etc. As a civil engineer and a Surveyor/Mapper - here's the deal. Grade = rise/run. A 46% grade means that for every 100' you travel forward, you go up 103'.

If you know it so well then why did you get it wrong?

You wouldn't go up more than forward with a grade of less than 100 percent.

A 46 percent grade actually means that the angle is about 25 degrees, doable by most cars, maybe not an old Beetle with 2 people though.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

Some older cars like the 67 Mustang actually used a foot pump for the windshield washer fluid. I didn't know this until I purchased our 67 Mustang. It hooks to a bag in the engine compartment on the driver side. One day I was trying to hit the parking brake and fluid started spraying on the windshield. Found out later that its a windshield washer squirter activated by a foot pump.

This is what the pump looks like. (google search) It is located to the left of the brake pedal.

This is the bag that holds the fluid. (google)

 

[Zenith]

Yup! I've got four pedals in my car.

 

[Sage Ages]

Let's see, most of those cars were built in a factory to be purchased by the public to be driven on public roads. They're production cars. You can't discount them because you say so.

Except most of them use a modified version of an existing engine. Production car? Yes. Production engine? No. Also, hybrid systems don't count. Just the engine alone.

 

[Dennisch]

Just the engine alone.

But the engine isn't alone, it has a supercharger.

 

[Sage Ages]

But the engine isn't alone, it has a supercharger.

You know what I meant.

 

[MarinaDiamandis]

A Unimog could not drive up a 46% grade.

Most, if not all, models of Unimog will climb 100%-plus grades (45 degrees-plus).

 

[Zenith]

Except most of them use a modified version of an existing engine. Production car? Yes. Production engine? No. Also, hybrid systems don't count. Just the engine alone.

Are you joking? If it is the engine in a production car, then the engine is in production. It is a production engine. Whether or not the engine is based off of an existing engine is irrelevant.

 

[Slash]

I love how everyone argues about this now, yet no one said anything when it actually came out.

 

[Sage Ages]

Are you joking? If it is the engine in a production car, then the engine is in production. It is a production engine. Whether or not the engine is based off of an existing engine is irrelevant.

The modifications are made after the engine was built, so technically, it isn't. Last time I checked, GM doesn't make a 1200hp Turbo LS engine.

 

[Badasp5.0]

Are you joking? If it is the engine in a production car, then the engine is in production. It is a production engine. Whether or not the engine is based off of an existing engine is irrelevant.

To you maybe, My point is that most of not all of those engines are not produced by these small supercar makers but modified versions of MASS produced engines, some I bet are nothing more than putting some form of Forced induction on a crate engine and some ECU tuning. They way I look at it those engines are more like tuner work than OEM level work but that could be just me. That doesn't take away from these cool supercars but way different from what a OEM has to do the put a engine into production.

Porsche 918 Spyder — 795 hp
Porsche 918 Spyder V8 makes 608 HP

2007 Gumpert Apollo S — AUDI V8

2005 Saleen S7 TT — Ford 351W

2013 HTT Pléthore LC-750 —GM LS7

2013 Gumpert Apollo S — Audi V8

2006 Koenigsegg CCX — Ford Modular V8

McLaren P1 — Nissan VRH35

2013 Koenigsegg Agera — Ford Modular V8

2008 Koenigsegg CCXR — Ford Modular V8

2013 Koenigsegg Agera S —Ford Modular V8

2007 Zenvo ST1 —GM LS7

2011 Koenigsegg Agera R — Ford Modular V8

2013 Hennessey Venom GT — GM LSx

 

[Zenith]

That doesn't take away from these cool supercars but way different from what a OEM has to do the put a engine into production.

Porsche 918 Spyder — 795 hp
Porsche 918 Spyder V8 makes 608 HP

2007 Gumpert Apollo S — AUDI V8

2005 Saleen S7 TT — Ford 351W

2013 HTT Pléthore LC-750 —GM LS7

2013 Gumpert Apollo S — Audi V8

2006 Koenigsegg CCX — Ford Modular V8

McLaren P1 — Nissan VRH35

2013 Koenigsegg Agera — Ford Modular V8

2008 Koenigsegg CCXR — Ford Modular V8

2013 Koenigsegg Agera S —Ford Modular V8

2007 Zenvo ST1 —GM LS7

2011 Koenigsegg Agera R — Ford Modular V8

2013 Hennessey Venom GT — GM LSx

The modifications are made after the engine was built, so technically, it isn't. Last time I checked, GM doesn't make a 1200hp Turbo LS engine.

"Technically" if a car is a production car, then every piece in an unmodified example of that car is a production piece.

If you order a production car from XXX company, it will come with YYY engine. It doesn't matter where that engine originally came from (let's say ZZZ company), the engine is a production engine of XXX company. It is not an engine of ZZZ company, it is a production engine from XXX company. Should we also discount the Ford-Cosworth engines because the engines were Ford engines tuned by Cosworth?

To you maybe, My point is that most of not all of those engines are not produced by these small supercar makers but modified versions of MASS produced engines, some I bet are nothing more than putting some form of Forced induction on a crate engine and some ECU tuning. They way I look at it those engines are more like tuner work than OEM level work but that could be just me.

There is no "to you" or "to me" a car is either a production car or it isn't. Who made the parts originally counts for jack. I suppose they should dig up the metal from the earth as well to be a production anything "to you." You don't get to draw arbitrary lines because of the way you feel about cars.

 

[Dennisch]

 

[Sage Ages]

McLaren P1 — Nissan VRH35

Its an MP4 engine

Also, it has 700-ish hp, so it should be the most powerful V8 when it starts production.

 

[Joey D]

Its an MP4 engine

Which started life as a VRH engine.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2012-mclaren-mp4-12c-first-drive-review-tech-trickledown-page-2

 

[Zenith]

Which started life as a VRH engine.

So the P1 is using a heavily modified version of a heavily modified version of a Le Mans racing engine. OEM by Nissan? Please.

 

[Sage Ages]

"Technically" if a car is a production car, then every piece in an unmodified example of that car is a production piece.

If you order a production car from XXX company, it will come with YYY engine. It doesn't matter where that engine originally came from (let's say ZZZ company), the engine is a production engine of XXX company. It is not an engine of ZZZ company, it is a production engine from XXX company. Should we also discount the Ford-Cosworth engines because the engines were Ford engines tuned by Cosworth?

Except Cosworth was working with Ford to build the engines. However these exotics used out-sourced engines and modified them. The engines never came from the manufacturer in the modified state, so technically, it's a modified engine.

 

[Joey D]

So the P1 is using a heavily modified version of a heavily modified version of a Le Mans racing engine. OEM by Nissan? Please.

I'm justing pointing out that the engine started life as a Nissan engine, nothing more.

 

[Zenith]

Except Cosworth was working with Ford to build the engines.

You can try all you'd like to squirm out of this, but you're not going to come up with a compelling reason why those engines listed above are not production engines.

I'm justing pointing out that the engine started life as a Nissan engine, nothing more.

I'm aware, no harm meant. I'm responding to Badasp5.0's assertion.

 

[Badasp5.0]

There is no "to you" or "to me" a car is either a production car or it isn't. Who made the parts originally counts for jack. I suppose they should dig up the metal from the earth as well to be a production anything "to you." You don't get to draw arbitrary lines because of the way you feel about cars.

Now you are just being absurd, I never said anything close to that. Like some things there isn't concrete definition to what is a production car, just look at the "Hypercar" thread you ask 10 car people what a production car is and you will get 10 different responses . But I see any further discussion with you will just get more and more absurd responses so why bother with someone who cannot handle a differing opinion on mere semantics.

 

[Dennisch]

The Ford (oh no he didn't) Sierra was build with a 302 V8 engine, in South Africa, and was called the XR8.

 

[Sage Ages]

You can try all you'd like to squirm out of this, but you're not going to come up with a compelling reason why those engines listed above are not production engines.

SAE would say otherwise.

 

[Slash]

Ford wouldn't have much such a ludicrous claim without substantial evidence to back it up in the first place. It would have caused an outrage and Ford isn't that stupid.

 

[McLaren]

2006 Koenigsegg CCX — Ford Modular V8

2013 Koenigsegg Agera — Ford Modular V8

2008 Koenigsegg CCXR — Ford Modular V8

2013 Koenigsegg Agera S —Ford Modular V8

2011 Koenigsegg Agera R — Ford Modular V8

None of these cars have Ford V8s anymore. Only the CC8S & CCR had Ford V8s. The CCX & onwards use a Koenigsegg-developed V8 now to run a higher octane fuel for the power & to make the car legal for US buyers.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

wow, I didn't even know that there were koenigseggs powered by Ford V8s. How many cars are powered by a ford engine anyway?

 

[Sage Ages]

wow, I didn't even know that there were koenigseggs powered by Ford V8s. How many cars are powered by a ford engine anyway?

Anything that isn't powered by a god damned LS7.

 

[Slash]

wow, I didn't even know that there were koenigseggs powered by Ford V8s. How many cars are powered by a ford engine anyway?

Enough

Off the top of my wad I couldn't tell ya.

Anything that isn't powered by a god damned LS7.

I got a really good laugh from that

 

[RocZX]

"Technically" if a car is a production car, then every piece in an unmodified example of that car is a production piece.

And when a company puts a modified LS engine in thier car, the engine is still a LS engine . The name of the engine doesn't change, right?

The Shelby 1000 has the same V8 engine as the GT500 and it makes 1000hp. And that doesn't change that the "most powerful production V8" has only 662hp.

What Ford was saying is that the 5.8L V8 is the most powerful V8 engine from the start not after it was modified.

 

[Wolfe]

It seems Slashfan dropped a word:

It also has the most powerful production V8 ever built.

The all-new supercharged 5.8-liter powerplant in the 2013 Ford Shelby GT500 has been officially SAE-certified as the most powerful series production V8 in the world with peak output of 662 horsepower and 631 lb.-ft. of torque.

Series production, as in mass production. Here's the link. It doesn't mean production = mass production, as Badasp5.0 argued. But Ford never claimed it was the most powerful production V8 in the first place.

Is that enough?