Rape 5 Year Old Dies in India
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Nice study, although not much detail in there.
Still, doesn't change the fact that Finland has a recidivism rate of around 35%.
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Looks to be more like 75% to me with half of those being violent crimes..and that's only the ones that were caught. I'm sure at least some of them committed crimes for which they were eight not caught or not prosecuted for whatever reason. A random sampling of over 400 subjects is statistically significant is it not?
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- Shazbu A_Nox Ferrari_Magyar Nitrous_ox
Could someone please research the recidivism rate amongst these kind of sickos that got the death penalty, and explain how saving the victims of the 35% of recidivists that got out would be a bad thing if the sickos got capital punishment instead?
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Is... this even possible?
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Well, it would be if it was based on current Finnish law - there are other holes in it, but pointing them out is rather... pointless.
Between 1998 and 2006 the Finnish law system (not just the prison system) was completely reformed. This was the first reform that really focused on rehabilitation, and the reason why recidivism is so low there now.
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That's the point
👍Try expaining to the new victims of recidivists how the death penalty would have been a bad thing for their perpatrators
👍Unless you are prepared to take the place of the next victim, don't shove all that reform those poor souls BS, down our throughts.
Punishment is to deter and prevent, whilst the death penalty may not deter future sicko's it will certainly prevent the ones that are caught prepetrating again
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That's the point
Try expaining to the new victims of recidivists how the death penalty would have been a bad thing for there perpatrators
I don't want to get bogged down in another debate on capital punishment, but what if you've executed an innocent man?
Anyway, regarding the original case, I will reiterate once again; this is a heinous, despicable, abominable, vile and awful crime with complete disregard for morality, humanity and responsibility. But I simply do not wish death upon the perpetrator. Do I think the perpetrator has forfeited some of, if not most of, their rights? Yes, prison is there for a reason and could potentially serve a multitude of functions. But in a modern society, I do not see how killing one another is beneficial.
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Is there actually any purpose in punishment? What benefit is it to society, besides making people feel better through some sense of justice?
Theoretically, life in prison and rehabilitation are equally capable of preventing crime if it's done right (though it's certainly more difficult).
Theoretically, life in prison and rehabilitation are equally capable of preventing crime if it's done right (though it's certainly more difficult).
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Jail is still punishment and still applicable. Even with rehabilitation, criminals would still have to stay in jail while being rehabilitated. If rehabilitation took a long time, that's a significant punishment. If rehabilitation took a short time, well that would imply that we have a very good understanding of how the minds of criminals work and would be much more able to educate and prevent people from becoming criminals in the first place.
The most difficult part is that it's so hard to tell if a prisoner is actually rehabilitated, or just pretending in order to get out of jail. No one should be let out unless we're sure they won't do it again, even if that means keeping people in jail who may really have changed for the better.
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No that doesn't make sense, laws are made for the Immoral, uneducated and those without common sense otherwise how do you reconcile what happened to your comment, if everyone was moral, educated, had common sense and was honest we wouldn't need laws.
@dylansan I'm glad you now see the purpose in punishment
Let me say if this person sought help and was let down, that would be a factor in sympathising for him, but to merely act on his abhorant urges, I feel deserves the most severe of punishments.
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To be honest, capital punishment doesn't necessarily work for these people. Sure, they're wasting tax dollars by rotting in prison, but in the end, an early death for them doesn't quite do justice. That would essentially allow them to get away with their crimes scot free - what really needs to be done is to force every surviving criminal, whether it's Mrs Boudreau, her sweetheart Vernon or this bunch of pansies in India, to suffer for the rest of their lives behind bars while carrying that heavy burden of taking away someone else's life. If they become someone's bitch in prison for 20 years, I don't care. If someone knocks them over in prison and gets them paralyzed, I don't care. If they get their limbs cut off with spoons, it only gets better.
After all, none of us are saints. We don't need to try and prove we're better than these people by merely giving them the needle or the chair for a slow, painless death. Even if I sucker punched these fellas in the back of the head when they least expect it, giving them permanent brain damage, I'd still consider myself a better person than they ever have been. The Christian god may forgive, but I will not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jammu_Siltavuori
For the record I'll be straight with you guys... I'm a psychopath, yes. But at least I only direct my pain-causing fantasies at people who are asking for it.
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I agree that life in prison might be just punishment in some cases, problem is all the bleeding hearts have jacked up the prison system so that these high risk prisoners are no longer in the general population, they are isolated and not at risk, a benefit their victims did not have. They have their internet, their tv's, the library etc. Yeah it sucks to be in prison, but if the option for someone who did the following is life in a modern day liberal prison watching tv and reading nice books all day or death, I choose death. Her motive for this crime is even more sickening, she did it to keep her boyfriend. Full confession, no doubts about her guilt.
It was dark and snowy on Jan. 27, 2008, when Boudreau drove the girl to a remote spot on William Hebb Road in Hebbville, near Bridgewater.
They got out of the car and argued. Boudreau tackled her daughter, knelt on her chest and strangled her with a length of twine.
Boudreau could feel the girl's hands digging into the ground as she struggled.
Karissa's last words were, "Mommy, don't."
Boudreau then put the body in the car and threw away the twine in a coffee cup.
She drove to a spot along the LaHave River, and as she dragged the body, pulled down Karissa's pants to give the impression the girl had been sexually assaulted. She then rolled the body down an embankment.
Karissa Boudreau, 12, was a Grade 6 student at Bridgewater Elementary School. (Bridgewater police)
Boudreau later tossed several pieces of Karissa's clothing in the garbage can at the local swimming pool.
When she got home, she told police her daughter had run away. She also called friends and teachers to spread the story.
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4 year old raped and beaten to death....
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/01/world/asia/india-girl-raped/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
Incredible...these poor kids...
In a recent report, the Asian Center for Human Rights cited statistics that it said showed 48,338 child rape cases were reported in India between 2001 and 2011. The report said the number of cases rose from 2,113 in 2001 to 7,112 in 2011
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/01/world/asia/india-girl-raped/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
Incredible...these poor kids...
In a recent report, the Asian Center for Human Rights cited statistics that it said showed 48,338 child rape cases were reported in India between 2001 and 2011. The report said the number of cases rose from 2,113 in 2001 to 7,112 in 2011
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I generally admire the people and culture of India, so this is very disappointing. Don't get me wrong, this type of crime is seen worldwide. Just monstrous offense. Normal people would want to look after children.
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I can remember when that incident happened. Everybody was outraged. They wanted this guys head on a chopping block. Well, 15 or so years later, it has finally happened. 15 years of taxpayer $$$ shot down the tube to keep this a-hole alive.
Seriously, a 6 month old, raped and murdered. The death penalty for this guy should have NEVER taken this long after such a heinous crime.
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