Rape 5 Year Old Dies in India

[MarinaDiamandis]

...seeing as how you chose to sympathize with the rapists first it might indicate where your priorities lie.

Looking for a real solution to stop these crimes for good is sympathising with rapists? Right, I'll remember that in future.

 

[Pagey279]

You are right, just because your first post didn't say as much doesn't mean you don't hold that sentiment, but seeing as how you chose to sympathize with the rapists first it might indicate where your priorities lie.

Outside of mentally diminished capacity where the perpetrator has no concept of right and wrong, I have no sympathy for anyone who would commit such a crime. You are free to be concerned about their rehabilitation and whether or not they'll rape and kill anymore children in 20 years after they get out of prison. As far as I am concerned if they are tried and convicted on DNA evidence, they deserve nothing less than death. My empathy starts and ends with that little girl and her family.

I'm not sympathising with the rapist at all, I was trying to express my view point, something that Marina and Liquid did much more eloquently than me:

Well, I don't quite understand at which point you were given the right to decide whether someone lives or dies, could you clarify for me? Why should someone like you stop someone like this from getting several years in a good rehabilitation program and a second chance at life? Just because it makes you feel safe, it doesn't solve the problem.

Locking someone away for 15-20 years and then releasing them and expecting them not to reoffend rarely works for any crime. The same is true for putting them on a register, giving them curfews, and most of the other penalties that they receive. Rehabilitation is what works.

This idea you have that sex offenders will carry on committing offences of a sexual nature once released shows how little you know about the subject. They respond to treatment as well as any other criminal group, and are certainly not a lost cause to be cast away.

Oddly enough, the less you isolate and punish sex offenders, the less likely they are to reoffend. This is true for all criminals.

EDIT: Oh, and Johnny, please stop. Next you'll have us stamping all our posts with "Just my opinion". Being upset at a story as tragic as this is no justification for typing out some very sick wishes. If anything, it is an insult to the victim, as you are doing nothing to fix the problem.

Certainly not. If people honestly find the idea of a rapist being raped several times to be suitable justice, I think they may need some professional help.

I'm with MD here, while I think it is an abhorrent crime, and I do believe that reacceptence into society would be problematic, I do condemn eye for an eye-esque punishments. As with my view on capital punishment, it [eye for an eye] is as hypocritically barbaric as the crimes which are punished; frequently the punishment is the same as the crime. I don't see the development and advancement of society there.

 

[Liquid]

At what point does criminal responsibility kick in? And I mean that from a moral point of view, not a legal one. What about when children kill other children?

It is sad when children are killed. James Bulger is a, frankly, dreadful case of a three year old boy being abducted, tortured and murdered by... two 10 year old boys. Do those who wish death and rape upon the criminals in this case wish that the United Kingdom had executed Robert Thompson and Jon Venables? I certainly hope not. "That's an exception, they're children too", I'm sure you'll chime. Now that these two are adults, they have had new identities in addition to press vilification, as if they were born evil. It's a difficult balance, I grant you. Not that they deserve to be pardoned or accepted due to diminished responsibility, but... well, I don't think it's fair that we're socially re-trialling them as adults considering they were children themselves at the time.

As an aside, Venables and Thompson are both back in prison for various other offences. Seems they won't have the chance to try and better themselves. Why bother? The entire country wants them dead anyway.

 

[arora]

Well, I don't quite understand at which point you were given the right to decide whether someone lives or dies, could you clarify for me? Why should someone like you stop someone like this from getting several years in a good rehabilitation program and a second chance at life? Just because it makes you feel safe, it doesn't solve the problem.

Locking someone away for 15-20 years and then releasing them and expecting them not to reoffend rarely works for any crime. The same is true for putting them on a register, giving them curfews, and most of the other penalties that they receive. Rehabilitation is what works.

This is the reason I actually support the death penalty, here we don't rehabilitate, our prisons are inhumane, and reintegration does not exist. In fact a released prisoner has very little chance of success these days as they are tagged and flagged, they can't get bank accounts, jobs, places of residence etc, what exactly is he supposed to do? It's a horrible mess.

This idea you have that sex offenders will carry on committing offences of a sexual nature once released shows how little you know about the subject. They respond to treatment as well as any other criminal group, and are certainly not a lost cause to be cast away.

I was not aware of that, I've always thought the chances of repeating the offense was very high with these guys. In this particular case though, we are also talking about murdering the child right? That is pretty hanus, defo a candidate for having many rights stripped imo.

Oddly enough, the less you isolate and punish sex offenders, the less likely they are to reoffend. This is true for all criminals.

What I said above speaks to this, isolation after release is an understatement. Punishment I can't disagree with however, there has to be a debt to pay.

Anyway, what a terrible thing, I wish we could change our behavior as a whole, take care of our children, educate, be nice, all that which will not happen

 

[MarinaDiamandis]

Stop what? Stop posting my opinions? I thought that's what this forum was about, posting opinions. You don't like them so you want me to stop posting them...lol. Thanks for the offer but no thanks. Obviously you didn't bother to read the article because I think the Mom and I are in perfect sync on this:

"The court should give them the strictest punishment ever," she sobbed Tuesday.
"These men should be burned alive so that the whole world will see how such criminals ought to be punished," she said, wiping her tears with the corner of her sari."

We agree.

Stop using this awful crime to try to pin up your arguments. Do you seriously think that just because I didn't say that I cared (or in your case, how much I wanted to see the rapist raped several times - would sir like it televised, for his own enjoyment?) that I am on the side of the rapist?

I read the article and, to be completely honest, I couldn't care less what the mom wants. The last people who should be deciding a suitable punishment for the rapist are the highly emotional parents of his victim. Your use of "What if it was your son/daughter/cat/dog/terrapin?" shows me that you don't understand this.

 

[arora]

One thing is for sure, if I caught someone doing that to my child I'd shoot them. I'd most likely get away with it as justifiable as well, or a mild slap on the wrist. It would have to be in the act though.

 

[Eks]

I know for sure that there is no way I could think rationally and not want some sweet revenge if someone raped my little niece to death, and I'm sure (and hope) that many of you here are, in some way, the same.

 

[Liquid]

I know for sure that there is no way I could think rationally and not want some sweet revenge if someone raped my little niece to death, and I'm sure (and hope) that many of you here are, in some way, the same.

I don't deny that I would almost certainly harbour thoughts revenge or vengeance, but I don't hope that I do or would.

 

[arora]

revenge is one thing, doing the same things over and over and expecting a different result is another however. After the crime it's too late in many ways, we don't bother trying to address the underlying problems.

And, because I can

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We are screaming for vengeance. The world is a manacled place. Screaming, screaming for vengeance. The world is defiled in disgrace

 

[ItsAllAboutWins]

I watch stuff on the news about what horrible things these monsters do to children, and I look over at my 9 month old daughter and wonder how someone could do anything to hurt something so innocent and precious. If anything like that ever happened to my baby girl, they had better hope that God finds mercy for them because when they got out of jail (if ever) I wouldn't show them any.

 

[Carbonox]

The good thing is that pedos, especially murderous ones, are ultimately the very bottom of the food chain. They will most certainly get :censored:ed up in prison and most likely become some big guy's little bitches for as long as they remain behind bars. After all, this is India, where the "let's think about a criminal's rights for safety too!" bull:censored: isn't really in place (and will hopefully never be).

 

[Joel]

After all, this is India, where the "let's think about a criminal's rights for safety too!" bull:censored: isn't really in place (and will hopefully never be).

Yep. Because that approach has obviously led to such low crime rates in India compared to the West.

 

[a6m5]

Lately, I've been thinking that parole should require sponsor family. If you want to host rehabilitating rapist/child molester in your home, they may deserve second chance(looking for volunteers, defense lawyers!).

After strike two, they should be put away for life. Every time I see news of repeat rapist, or child molester strike, I seriously question the judicial system in this country.

Edit: I can't believe I forgot to mention how sorry I feel for the little girl, also for her family. Like the rest of you, I can't believe there are people who can commit such crime.

 

[MarinaDiamandis]

Yep. Because that approach has obviously led to such low crime rates in India compared to the West.

I find it interesting that someone from Finland, a country with many open prisons, a great rehabilitation system, and low rates of recidivism (some of the lowest in the world, in fact), is in support of the complete opposite of what is working very well across all of Scandinavia.

 

[a6m5]

He's probably Finnish-American. Sounds totally American.

 

[Joel]

I find it interesting that someone from Finland, a country with many open prisons, a great rehabilitation system, and low rates of recidivism (some of the lowest in the world, in fact), is in support of the complete opposite of what is working very well across all of Scandinavia.

He's the guy who called all of Islam a hate group so take it with a kilogram of salt.

 

[Johnnypenso]

The good thing is that pedos, especially murderous ones, are ultimately the very bottom of the food chain. They will most certainly get :censored:ed up in prison and most likely become some big guy's little bitches for as long as they remain behind bars. After all, this is India, where the "let's think about a criminal's rights for safety too!" bull:censored: isn't really in place (and will hopefully never be).

Prison justice is harsh. They might be better off asking for the death penalty.

He's probably Finnish-American. Sounds totally American.

Sounds totally American? What does that mean?...lol. How does one sound American?

 

[Nicksfix]

This is such a horrible act. It's hard to believe that there are people out there who can do such things to a 5 year old child.
🤬 weaklings !!!

You may call your punishment as you wish on these guys, but if this ever would have happened to my kid ......

One thing is for sure, if I caught someone doing that to my child I'd shoot them. I'd most likely get away with it as justifiable as well, or a mild slap on the wrist. It would have to be in the act though.

Maybe I would get away with it as noted by arora. Maybe I wouldn't, but I sure as hell would feel 100% better about it.

 

[a6m5]

Sounds totally American? What does that mean?...lol. How does one sound American?

Just reading what he wrote. Lingo used is totally how people in my area actually describe prison life. Bottom of the food chain, 🤬 in prison, become somebody's bitch, etc.

I highly doubt people in Finland, even when fluent in English talk like that. Maybe Canadian? I don't know.

 

[Liquid]

He's probably learnt American English as opposed to British English ("That rapist is an utter rotter! They should damn well give him a bloody great birching!")

But as someone else has pointed out, Carbonox has demonstrated ignorant right-wing views before now.

 

[The Bman]

What kind of sick 🤬 would carry out such disgusting acts? The fact that I'm only a teen doesn't help at all.

 

[Liquid]

What kind of sick 🤬 would carry out such disgusting acts? The fact that I'm only a teen doesn't help at all.

What does you being a teenager have to do with anything?

 

[Johnnypenso]

I find it interesting that someone from Finland, a country with many open prisons, a great rehabilitation system, and low rates of recidivism (some of the lowest in the world, in fact), is in support of the complete opposite of what is working very well across all of Scandinavia.

Lookee what I found:

http://www.rikosseuraamus.fi/33601.htm

I'll bold the highlights for those that don't want to read a book..if this is low recidivism I'd hate to see what high looks like. And remember, the rate of recidivism is based on crimes that perpetrators were caught and convicted of. The actual rate of recidivism is probably much higher.


This research on the recidivism of arsonists, rapists, and those under a restraining order (so-called index crime groups) was commissioned by the Criminal Sanctions Agency from the Criminal and Forensic Psychology Research Group of the Department of Psychology of the University of Helsinki. The research material, i.e. random samples gathered from the police database on reported offences, consists of those who have committed arson (N=184) or stranger rape (N=56) between 1993 and 2001, and those who have been placed under a restraining order (N=186) in 1999. The data on the recidivism of the persons mentioned above was retrieved from the police database on reported offences in the autumn 2004. The follow-up period of the persons varies between 3 and 11 years in this research.

During the follow-up period, 76% of the arsonists, 73% of the rapists, and 76% of those under a restraining order committed a crime defined in the Penal Code. On the whole, 76% of the research subjects reoffended during the follow-up period. More than half of the offences committed during the follow-up period were violent offences. A total of 49% of the research subjects committed property offences and 4% committed sexual offences. The recidivists committed an average of 19 different offences within the follow-up period. There was a connection between the number offences and the person’s age: younger offenders committed more offences during the follow-up period.

In total, 58% of all the research subjects had reoffended within six months of committing the index crime and 71% within the first twelve months. Based on the evaluation of each index crime group, those under a restraining order reoffended noticeably sooner than arsonists and rapists.

Perhaps this is why our Finnish friend isn't so friendly towards child rapist/murderers.

 

[The Bman]

What does you being a teenager have to do with anything?

The fact that I'm among the age group of people that pedophiles target.

 

[Carbonox]

Me causing controversy again? Nothing new I'm afraid. Ohhhh, and the Islam card was drawn too. How creative. By the way, I picked up the "bottom of the food chain" and "become someone's bitch" stuff from the Penny Boudreau case. (Disgusting story btw) As far as I know, I have no American heritage.

 

[Liquid]

The fact that I'm among the age group of people that pedophiles target.

Ebophiles target teens, usually 13-17, paedophiles typically go for 12 and under.

But that's not a concrete accuracy.

 

[W3H5]

More support for my self-contained argument that reading the news is a certain way of ruining one's day.

I have no words.

 

[a6m5]

That is amazing. Carbo, no offense, I was convinced that you were American. My bad.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Me causing controversy again? Nothing new I'm afraid. Ohhhh, and the Islam card was drawn too. How creative. By the way, I picked up the "bottom of the food chain" and "become someone's bitch" stuff from the Penny Boudreau case. (Disgusting story btw) As far as I know, I have no American heritage.

Penny Boudreau, poster girl for the return of the death penalty in Canada. What a waste of human flesh she is.

 

[Carbonox]

That is amazing. Carbo, no offense, I was convinced that you were American. My bad.

Nah, I won't be offended unless you punt me off in GT5.