Real Guns

[RC45]

The biggest problem with the armed population holding off a real military is organization and training. Your average Joe Blow Rural Californian or anyone for that matter does not have the know how to survive in actual conflict. No battalion organization. Under gunned as well. Ammunition as well. One guy has 5K rounds, another guy has 50 rounds and one magazine. Most people simply can't afford to be a defensive threat. Basically similar to the likes if an insurgent in say Iraq. Sometimes those boys would put a hurting on us but they lacked the training and weaponry. We had a command calling the shots. Motivation can only get you so far. Small pockets of resistance weren't much of a threat. It then becomes a battle of attrition. You can't stop insurgents but you can keep a pretty good handle on them.

In Iraq that is/was true because of the small population and very limited arms cache and ammunition available.

30 million people vs. 300 million people with hundreds of millions of rounds of ammo in civilian ownership and hundreds of millions of guns in civilian control.

Huge difference - the US/Coalition attacked and decimated Iraq in a show of shock and awe - then systematically swept the small isolated 3rd world villages and towns.

To accomplish the same thing any invading (or domestic oppressive) force would have to level the US and then somehow come to grips with 100 million+ armed people willing to defend their homeland.

We will be able to hold our own thanks - even against an organized force such as our own military.

Hell, I can count 6 or so families in our immediate circle of friends that could muster 25,000 rounds of ammo and about at least 70 guns - hand guns, rifles shotguns etc. without even trying very hard.

And we are all urban middle class. There is a reason ammo retailers run of ammo every week - it is because civilians are buying it up.

God Bless the USA. I wasn't born here but immigrated as soon as I could.

 

[a6m5]

God bless Walmart, too. Picked up two boxes of 7.62 NATO & 100rd Value pack of .45ACP for $59. While late-night grocery shopping.

 

[Michael88]

Just got my 400 pcs .69 cal civil war muzzleloader conicals, 710 grains each, let a professional make them from my custom mold.
You should have seen the face of the mailman, carrying a shoe box which he could barely hold. I should have told him that this is Naquadah for my ship, he probably would have believed it.

Cant wait to shoot them, unfortunately my shooting range will be closed for two weeks.

168 grain 7.62 BTHP on the right side. Thats why I like muzzleloaders so much, they smell good and boy they move lead like nothing else. But the thought of getting hit by one of these is very scary.

 

[Blood Eagle]

If anyone is looking for an AR upper, this is one of the best deals out there regardless if I think the company is ran by complete idiots.

http://aresarmor.com/store/Item/Har...s.&utm_campaign=4Sep14-email&utm_medium=email

 

[a6m5]

@Blood Eagle - I'm not familiar with them, but what's their problem?

Cant wait to shoot them, unfortunately my shooting range will be closed for two weeks.

I'm getting my spotting scope out. Counting & loading ammo into a pack, along with the eyes, ears, Rem Oil, etc. Guess what I'm doing tomorrow.

Seriously though, I haven't gone shooting in forever, and I haven't shot my AR in many, many months. I'm taking my Bushmaster, USP & Ruger SR22 out to the range tomorrow. I'll try to take couple of pics.

But the thought of getting hit by one of these is very scary.

But it'll be over quick!

 

[Blood Eagle]

@Blood Eagle - I'm not familiar with them, but what's their problem?

Ares Armor here in California specifically marketed their 80% AR lowers as "Untraceable" firearms. They have been raided by the ATF. They come out with products and give them controversial names to attract attention like the "Obama's Blaster" etc. Basically making all gun owners look bad. That do have some good deals though lol

 

[David]

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[Blood Eagle]

Look at you, big spender

 

[Michael88]

I'm getting my spotting scope out. Counting & loading ammo into a pack, along with the eyes, ears, Rem Oil, etc. Guess what I'm doing tomorrow.

Expressive dancing?

Seriously though, I haven't gone shooting in forever, and I haven't shot my AR in many, many months. I'm taking my Bushmaster, USP & Ruger SR22 out to the range tomorrow. I'll try to take couple of pics.

Have fun, sounds like you really deserve it! Guns need to be shot from time to time lest they be sad guns! No one wants sad guns.

But it'll be over quick!

Not if you get hit in the butt! Then you'll be living in a world full of butthurt.

 

[a6m5]

New gun night.

Pure. Class. Nice purchase there, David. I've always liked those. 👍

Expressive dancing?


Have fun, sounds like you really deserve it!

I finally took my AR out for some expressiveness danciness today(German for 'plinking' apparently). I shot 130 of crap Wolf Military Classic ammo I didn't like. I also tested a box of ZQI 7.62x51(brass) Turkish ammo. I still have couple hundred rounds of Tula(they are next!), but I never had any issues with them, and my goal of ridding of all Wolf in possession was a success.

None of the pics came out right, but I'm pretty sure many of you pretty much expect this from me at this point. I tried fixing the colors using a software, but it helped just little.






Dude next to me was just wrapping up his session when he noticed my USP(full size), and showed me his compact(both .45's). Compact to me was very ideal size as I imagined, guy was surprised by how much larger the grip on the full size was. He was thinking about ordering the full size mag to use in his compact, so I let him try it on for size....... they are not interchangeable. We both kinda chuckled that it was good thing he didn't order one online.

Here's a pic of very handsome Japanese man with great taste in MLB hat(too bad they suck).



I scored three boxes of mini-bricks on the way home!(325rds of .22s) 1 for me, 2 goes to couple of my buddies.

Not if you get hit in the butt! Then you'll be living in a world full of ass pain.

Victim would likely have this expression on his face when it happens. I know I would.

Ares Armor here in California specifically marketed their 80% AR lowers as "Untraceable" firearms. They have been raided by the ATF. They come out with products and give them controversial names to attract attention like the "Obama's Blaster" etc. Basically making all gun owners look bad. That do have some good deals though lol

I do remember the story, probably from this very thread. Not a fan.

 

[Michael88]

How did the Turkish 7.62x51 work in your gun? Did it produce tight patterns and was it clean?

I finally took my AR out for some expressiveness danciness today(German for 'plinking' apparently). .

You know, thats my code word for ''going shooting''. I tell my neighbors I'm going to an expressive dancing school so they wont question my sanity. Cool idea, huh?

(Above statement may or may not be true)

 

[a6m5]

How did the Turkish 7.62x51 work in your gun? Did it produce tight patterns and was it clean?

It was all good, broseph. Very pleased. I only shot 50-yards though. I was sighting in the detachable scope again(it's good again lol).

Same store where I found the .22LRs had two boxes left of those 7.62's, so I got them, too. $10 a box. You can not beat that for brass ammo. This was the first time firing NATO(7.62x51) in my Bushmaster .308, so I was tiny bit nervous, but they shot perfectly. I'll test it out at 100 yards next time, but that's the longest range at where I shoot.

You know, thats my code word for ''going shooting''. I tell my neighbors I'm going to an expressive dancing school so they wont question my sanity. Cool idea, huh?

(Above statement may or may not be true)

You earned the "like" after this edit. 👍

 

[David]

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[a6m5]

Hopefully get out to the farm for some clay shooting nect weekend.

Take couple of pics of the shotty. Please.

I'm interested in how they shoot, too. I've never shot folding-style guns, but they look like they might kick harder(then again, I don't know what I'm talking about lol).

 

[Brett]

I picked up a box of Blazer Brass today. Figured I needed another box to make it an even 150 rounds or as I like to think of 150 rounds, ten magazines in the VP9. I really need to shoot the thing.

 

[a6m5]

I picked up a box of Blazer brass today. Figured I needed another box to make it an even 150 rounds or as I like to think of 150 rounds, ten magazines in the VP9. I really need to shoot the thing.

Boy, you are as good as dead, Brett...... Not remotely sufficient stock for the zombie apocalypse, not at all......

 

[Blood Eagle]

I eat 150 rounds for breakfast

 

[Brett]

Boy, you are as good as dead, Brett...... Not remotely sufficient stock for the zombie apocalypse, not at all......

I have quite a bit more of 9mm than that. I just happen to have 150 rounds of Blazer Brass. I really should not have even picked up that one box. I am at the point that I do not need to do any more buying unless I do some shooting.

 

[a6m5]

How much do you guys pay for a box of brass handgun ammo? These days, if I can find it, Perfecta .45ACP for $18(I think) is the best deal. Federal Super Pack I used to buy(100rds) are $38. I still buy them, but they are up $8 from couple years ago.

 

[Brett]

For 9mm, around $12-14 is pretty common.

 

[a6m5]

For 9mm, around $12-14 is pretty common.

That's about what I've been seeing at Walmart I think. ZQI 7.62 NATO I've been buying are $10, but even their 9mm I think was closer to something like $14. Even if you are not shooting as much you buy, I think it's a good idea to stock up on cheap ammo. Just look at what the market went thru the last couple of years. .....and zombie apocalypse.

 

[Blood Eagle]

Even if you are not shooting as much you buy, I think it's a good idea to stock up on cheap ammo. Just look at what the market went thru the last couple of years. .....and zombie apocalypse.

I fully agree. That .22LR frenzy that just happened was stupid. Considering you could pick up a 500+ round brick of the stuff for under $20 before the scare. Makes sense to buy 4-5 of those at once and if you don't shoot that much, theoretically, you wouldn't have to buy more rounds for years to come. I typically buy in bulk from the internet. I like having 1000 rounds reserve for any caliber of gun I own. I haven't bought shotgun ammunition in a few years now. I'm just using my reserve currently. Still have quite a bit of it.

 

[a6m5]

I fully agree. That .22LR frenzy that just happened was stupid. Considering you could pick up a 500+ round brick of the stuff for under $20 before the scare. Makes sense to buy 4-5 of those at once and if you don't shoot that much, theoretically, you wouldn't have to buy more rounds for years to come. I typically buy in bulk from the internet. I like having 1000 rounds reserve for any caliber of gun I own. I haven't bought shotgun ammunition in a few years now. I'm just using my reserve currently. Still have quite a bit of it.

Same here, but I haven't quite built up enough reserve to where I'd like them to be. 12-Gauge, which I never shoot, I have more than 3 ammo cans full, so that should be OK. My handgun & rifle calibers(.45ACP & .308), they are at around 1,000 each, which was my previous goal. After this last ammo shortage though, I don't think that's quite high enough for me now. .22LR *goes counting* 3,500 rounds. That's fine, but 5,000 would be better.

I buy most of my ammo at Walmart. Price's as low as anyone, and no shipping, but the availability's hit & miss at best.

 

[acascianelli]

I started making the next round of purchases for my Mosin Nagant 91/30 project. I bought a bent bold body from Rock Solid Industries, and I'll be buying the accessory rail for my Arch Angel AA9130 and a bi-pod soon too. Next month I'll probably buy the Rock Solid Industries scope mount and hopefully get it mounted. It's going to take me a while to save up the spare money for a scope so I'm saving that for last.

I'll post more pictures when I get the new bolt body in.

 

[Zenith]

Went out and shot my friends handguns. I got to compare a Glock 30S to a Smith and Wesson 1911. Punching big holes with .45!

It's amazing how big of a difference double stacked mags make. The Glock is so much smaller but still carries more ammo. I was very impressed with the 30S and it's controllable recoil. The stock sights suck though.

That said I always love shooting 1911's, even if I'm terribly slow on reloading drills. Damn slide release...

 

[Blood Eagle]

They always say left handed shooters are at a disadvantage. My Browning Hi Power is very similar to a 1911 lay out. I'm left handed. I use my left index finger to hit the slide release then get back to the trigger and use my middle finger for the magazine catch. ARs and the like are easy for me but the selector switch is the only thing that sucks.

 

[acascianelli]

It's amazing how big of a difference double stacked mags make. The Glock is so much smaller but still carries more ammo. I was very impressed with the 30S and it's controllable recoil. The stock sights suck though.

I've always found the grip on Glock 21/30's to be too big for my hand. I came close to buying a Glock 36 for a carry gun, but ended up deciding on the much smaller (both size and caliber) Glock 42 because I figured I'd carry it more often.

I also have a Remington 1911R1 and a Colt Defender in 9mm.

 

[a6m5]

Punching big holes with .45!

Is someone turning the corner from the 9 to 45?

j/k

Like acascianelli, I also notice the larger grip on the Glock 45's. 1911 feel so much better in my hands, it's a night & day, at least to me. I'm still warm on the Glock 30S, but I still don't like the look of handguns(I know, I know...) with short grip, and the pinky rests over the extended part of the magazine. Can anyone tell me why Glock would go with tiny grip with lot of magazine extension on guns like Glock 30/30S?

I know this looks horrible, but here's what I'm referring to(30S on the left, my butcher job on the right):

Compact full-grip would look so much cooler(not necessarily my ms paint photoshop).

P.S. I love the grip with smaller circumference, but would opt for higher capacity.

 

[Blood Eagle]

In CA we are limited to 10 rounds so you may as well get whatever feels most comfortable in your hands lol

 

[a6m5]

15 rounds for the criminals, 10 rounds for you. Sounds legit. At least it's few cents cheaper to empty the mag at the range.