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That's too bad. If I was a prepper, I'd have a set.
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I can't use bullpups because I'm left handed. When I used to train with the British Royal Marines they used the SA80. I asked one of them what if you are left handed and he told me that they would just make you shoot right handed lol I can only use bullpups that eject from the bottom like a Kel Tec KSG. Random cool story, bros.
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Considering I have yet to shoot it, it is great.
I really need to buy some land or make friends with someone who has land to shoot on.If you would like, I could break it down further on my impression of the weapon, other than actual firing part, like what I did with the HK VP9.
I can't use bullpups because I'm left handed. When I used to train with the British Royal Marines they used the SA80. I asked one of them what if you are left handed and he told me that they would just make you shoot right handed lol I can only use bullpups that eject from the bottom like a Kel Tec KSG. Random cool story, bros.
You could shoot the Tavor or AUG with left hand bolt. You could also shoot a right handed Tavor with not nearly the inconvenience of a right hand AUG.
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Yup... That's basically me with all semis I have....I can't use bullpups because I'm left handed. When I used to train with the British Royal Marines they used the SA80. I asked one of them what if you are left handed and he told me that they would just make you shoot right handed lol I can only use bullpups that eject from the bottom like a Kel Tec KSG. Random cool story, bros.
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The struggle is real! I don't have a problem with most semis. Only thing that sucks is that sometimes some hot powder will get flung in your eyes from flying brass in front of your face.
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My impression of the Tavor without having fired the thing:
Sights: I would not recommend the version with the Mepro sight. Having the full length Picatinny rail is just a more flexible option, especially since the Mepro sight can be mounted on the rail. The back up iron sights that are integrated into the rail are nice to have. I find the rear aperture to be on the small side, but that may be more of a problem with having little experience with rifles.
Charging handle: The charging handle is very well placed, easy to manipulate, and non-reciprocating.
Magazine release: It is the little dongle behind the grip and in front of the magazine. I am able to hit the magazine release with the back side of my hand on the grip without losing a grip on the grip. The force required to actuate the release is not too high or too low, but just right. It is conveniently placed for fast magazine changes or switching out a partially used magazine.
Bolt carrier stop: It can be awkward to lock the bolt to the rear on an empty gun without a bit of practice of locking the bolt to rear.
Bolt release: The bolt release is placed in an awesome spot directly behind the magazine well. Makes releasing the bolt a matter of pushing the thumb up after placing a magazine into the magazine well. With a bit of practice, putting the magazine into the rifle and hitting the release at the same time would be possible.
Sling mounts: There are four QD slots on the rifle, with three of them always available (one of the front swivels will be filled with some locking hardware). I find using the front swivel on the left side and the rear swivel on the right side of the rifle to work best to keep the sling out of the way.
Takedown: Push one pin out at the rear of the rifle and the buttplate folds down. The bolt can be pulled out. The sear pack can be taken out of the rifle by pushing two pins out.
Weight: The rifle could be lighter overall. However, when it is shouldered, the weight is less noticeable because the majority of it is at your shoulder.
Magazine compatibility: The Tavor can use any STANAG pattern magazines. The F2000 will only take steel magazines. Depending on the model, the AUG may or may not take STANAG.
Trigger: The trigger is just okay. It is on the heavy side. It is not terrible, but it is not exactly good either. It could be better and it could be worse. Lots of experience shooting double action would go a long ways towards using this trigger. However, there are upgrades available from Geissele, Timney, or Shooting Sight that dramatically improve the trigger. At some point, I will likely go that route.
Overall: The ergonomics are outstanding. The thing is very pointable. It is awesome having a 16" barrel in a package that is only 26 1/8" long. And while the rifle could be lighter, the weight disappears when shouldered because of being a bullpup. The Israelis did a very good job with the Tavor.
If you ever makes it to Oklahoma, then you are welcome to shoot the thing.
What... what.... what...
Yeah. I know. Lame. There are not really any close outdoor ranges open to the public. There is a state park nearby and one other spot somewhat in the area. I have not been able to line up a time with friends to make a trip to either. I have also only heard bad things about the state park.
There are also two indoor rifle ranges in the area. Up until just recently, there was only one and I am not a huge fan of that store. I have also not been to the new range just yet, as it is on the north side of OKC and I not really found a reason to make a trip up there just yet. However, they do have 100 yard lanes.
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@Brett - Ranges & places to shoot are not easy to find around here either. That range I always go to, it's like 30 minute drive, without traffic. So many people run into similar problems, due to most ranges requiring you shoot their ammo, join their membership, or both.
My range, I head there at like 9am on a weekday, and it's packed within the hour. It's mind boggling good shooting ranges are so hard to come by, at least in my area.
I hope you get to shoot your rifle real soon! 👍
My range, I head there at like 9am on a weekday, and it's packed within the hour. It's mind boggling good shooting ranges are so hard to come by, at least in my area.
I hope you get to shoot your rifle real soon! 👍
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I made it to one of the two close pistol ranges today and shot both the P22 and VP9. I was disappointed with the P22. It is just too dang picky on what ammunition it will function reliably with. I am considering looking into trading it in towards a Ruger 10/22 Takedown.
The VP9 on the other hand functioned flawlessly with what I would consider quality practice ammunition. It had a few hiccups with a some TulAmmo BrassMaxx, which did not surprise me, as that is the only stuff my PPQ has had any issue with. Needless to say, unless I find more that is subcontracted out to somewhere other than Bosnia and Herzegovina, I will not be buying any more of that stuff. Now the VP9 ate up 50 rounds of Sellier and Bellot and 150 rounds of Blazer Brass. So long as I did my part, the pistol was incredibly accurate. I am quite satisfied with the purchase.
The VP9 on the other hand functioned flawlessly with what I would consider quality practice ammunition. It had a few hiccups with a some TulAmmo BrassMaxx, which did not surprise me, as that is the only stuff my PPQ has had any issue with. Needless to say, unless I find more that is subcontracted out to somewhere other than Bosnia and Herzegovina, I will not be buying any more of that stuff. Now the VP9 ate up 50 rounds of Sellier and Bellot and 150 rounds of Blazer Brass. So long as I did my part, the pistol was incredibly accurate. I am quite satisfied with the purchase.
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I've never shot a .22 pistol that didn't have FTE/FTF issues. I think it has more to do with it being a blowback design and some .22LR not having enough umph to move the slide back enough. That said, any blow back pistol needs to be held firmly in your hand. If you relax during the recoil aka limp wristing on a small caliber blowback you will have problems with reliability. I am not saying you are doing anything wrong just a little explanation of a possible issue with a .22 blowback pistol.
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As long as I have used stuff from CCI, excluding subsonic stuff, I have not had issues or very few issues depending on whether it is Standard Velocity, Mini-Mag, etc. Anything that is not made by CCI has had issues. If Mini-Mag were readily available, then it would not be an issue. However, I have not seen any Mini-Mag locally in at least a year.
I did notice the Federal Champion stuff had a few less issues than the Federal American Eagle. I can only guess that the Champion is a bit hotter.
I did notice the Federal Champion stuff had a few less issues than the Federal American Eagle. I can only guess that the Champion is a bit hotter.
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I've read about P22 before, which was the reason why I went from looking at P22(which I much preferred) to the Ruger SR22. SR22, it was advertised as the reliable .22 pistol, but it's a hit & miss at best. As @Blood Eagle pointed out, I also started questioning the power of .22LR to cycle reliably. Like @Brett I never have any issues with CCI. I don't know what they do different(it's not the high velocity stuff), but I like them alot.
I'm very surprised to hear about the Tula brass in VP9. I was of the impression that HK was even more reliable than Glocks. My Glock 17 ate absolutely everything I fed it. Crap ammo, weird casing(aluminum?), reloads, everything. If I spent good money on a Glock fightning HK, I'd expect it perform 100%.
I'm very surprised to hear about the Tula brass in VP9.
I was of the impression that HK was even more reliable than Glocks. My Glock 17 ate absolutely everything I fed it. Crap ammo, weird casing(aluminum?), reloads, everything. If I spent good money on a Glock fightning HK, I'd expect it perform 100%.
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Some of the lingo used above is far out of my range of knowledge, but I think I know what you mean..
As far as ammunition, Federal does seem to make the most consistent shooting in terms of accuracy, and the entire cycling process, compared to various other brands. My experience however is only with the Ruger 10/22 (will have to check exact model) and the Mark III hunter, but I do prefer Federal ammunition over anyone, except for 30-30, as Winchester seems to make some of the better firing rounds..
I don't know if that even applies but that's my two cents..
As far as ammunition, Federal does seem to make the most consistent shooting in terms of accuracy, and the entire cycling process, compared to various other brands. My experience however is only with the Ruger 10/22 (will have to check exact model) and the Mark III hunter, but I do prefer Federal ammunition over anyone, except for 30-30, as Winchester seems to make some of the better firing rounds..
I don't know if that even applies but that's my two cents..
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I'm very surprised to hear about the Tula brass in VP9.
HKs are very reliable. Even the most reliable firearms, including Glocks, will have issues with bad ammunition. And I think that stuff that TulAmmo subcontracted out is not good ammunition. Whoever made that ammunition for TulAmmo lacks good quality control. I have seen it with two different pistols now, one of which I have had no issues with outside of that particular ammunition.
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@Swagger897 Those Mark III's are so cool. 👍 How many rounds does the magazine hold in those?
@Brett I suppose you are right. I'll take your word on the quality of Tula. I also think the 10/22 Takedown sounds like an awesome idea. 👍
@Brett I suppose you are right. I'll take your word on the quality of Tula. I also think the 10/22 Takedown sounds like an awesome idea. 👍
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Very cool. 👍 I googled it, and it sucks to hear about the wooden grip. It looks so bad ass!
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I picked up the shotgun I ordered today. I traded in the Walther P22 towards a Ruger 10/22 Takedown. It should be here sometime within the next week. I also made another trip to the gun range today. I put another 200 rounds down range, 100 with the PPQ and 100 with the VP9.
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