Real Guns

[a6m5]

Turns out I can't use the bore sighter I borrowed on a AR, because the scope sits too high. I might look at one of those laser bore sighters on Amazon.

Someone my coworker know got a FFL, and he got a deal on Fiocchi .45ACP? He bought a case of 20 boxes(1,000 rounds) at $16.30 a box(50 rounds). Not quite as good of a deal as the Federal Value Pack at Walmart(100 for $29.99), but close. I bought two off of him. Tulammo's .308 at Walmart is out of stock again, but I'll be buying 10 of those next time I see it.

Scope: 100yds min. Adjust it to 2'' high at 100 yds so you have a 200 yds zero and 8'' drop at 300. And voilà! You can blast zombies from 50 up to 300yds with no scope adjustments and holdovers!

Remember, you're shooting .308 not a .223, it has a truckload of effective range and there is no need to not use it and the scope to its full advantage.!

That is some unimaginable, crazy range to me, considering I've shot target that far away just once.

Thank you for the excellent tip on adjustment, but I really shouldn't have wasted time with this cheap freebie scope. I ended up buying cheap rings to mount it, only to shop for replacement later.

Oh well, I'll just stick with what I got for now. Use it to educate myself, if you will.

Spot on, as usual. 200 yard is the usual zero for .308 semi-autos. For bolt action rifles, I sight mine at 400 but only because I have the scope to do that accurately.

Went with a Burris? They're great for the money.

No, I ended up with a free cheap scope, so I bought a cheap UTG rings off Amazon for $27. When I'm ready for a real scope, I'll upgrade the rings then. 👍

 

[Michael88]

That is some unimaginable, crazy range to me, considering I've shot target that far away just once.

Yeah, and if I remember correctly you hit the target. 👍 With a modern quality gun equipped with a scope hitting stuff that far away is easy as pie. Breath control, a smooth trigger finger and a steady rest and you're good to go. There is not much you can do wrong.

I remember reading a book about a German sniper in WWII who taught himself how to hit a metal ammo box at 350 in 3 days without an instructor or any help with a captured scoped Mosin Nagant which was equipped with a simple 3x PU scope.
He was only a trained machine gunner at that time and had almost zero experience with rifles. (He had a sniper shot count of ~ 1000 at the end of WWII)

For me, hitting targets far away with a good rifle rest from sitting position is one of the easiest things, quick shooting with a heavy large caliber rifle standing unsupported and from prone without support at 50 and 100 is the difficult stuff.
Requires a lot of trigger finger timing, stance training, muscle control, breath control.....

 

[a6m5]

What do you think about bi-pods? I agree that sitting position, like in benchrest shooting is the most comfortable. Do you think bi-pods work OK for benchrest shooting?

P.S. Are you saying that this German sniper had close to 1,000 sniper k's? Jeebus.

 

[Michael88]

What do you think about bi-pods? I agree that sitting position, like in benchrest shooting is the most comfortable. Do you think bi-pods work OK for benchrest shooting?

Sure, for example the guys that participate in the Palma matches shoot rifles with bipods out to 600-1000yds. Use one with a ''swivel'' so you don't cant the rifle which will affect long range accuracy. But you are still going to need a small support for the rear stock. At those ranges only a front support wont cut it. If you're ''in the field'' and you don't have a small bag etc. you can make a fist with your support hand and use it to stabilize the rear stock, but thats just a less-than-ideal solution.

P.S. Are you saying that this German sniper had close to 1,000 sniper k's? Jeebus.

Yeah, I don't remember the exact numbers but it was something like 500 officially confirmed and another 500-600 during battles.
Those numbers sound totally incredible today, but at the eastern front they had battles were both sides lost up to 800 men in a day.

 

[a6m5]

Sure, for example the guys that participate in the Palma matches shoot rifles with bipods out to 600-1000yds. Use one with a ''swivel'' so you don't cant the rifle which will affect long range accuracy. But you are still going to need a small support for the rear stock. At those ranges only a front support wont cut it. If you're ''in the field'' and you don't have a small bag etc. you can make a fist with your support hand and use it to stabilize the rear stock, but thats just a less-than-ideal solution.

Wooo, nice tips. I'm gonna come back to this later. :tup:

Yeah, I don't remember the exact numbers but it was something like 500 officially confirmed and another 500-600 during battles.
Those numbers sound totally incredible today, but at the eastern front they had battles were both sides lost up to 800 men in a day.

Just epic battles. WWII was a huge tragic loss of life, but so many things from battles to engineering to everything that was so fascinating.

You hear about ace pilots of the WWII, but I think this is the first time I've ever learned of high number of kills on the ground. The dude was a machine!

 

[Zenith]

a6m5. What distances do you have available to shoot at your ranges?

Also, what's wrong with good ole' fashion zeroing?

 

[a6m5]

a6m5. What distances do you have available to shoot at your ranges?

The one I have access to, 100 yard, max.

Also, what's wrong with good ole' fashion zeroing?

Is this where you peek out of the barrel? Teach me, sensei!

 

[Zenith]

Same story for me. I think you're fine without a bipod until you start routinely shooting at 200yds+ at least.

Hahaha. Just the standard shoot, see, and sight adjust is all I've ever used. I'd be amazed if people had some super secret way of sighting in that really made a difference. The little dummy round lasers that they sell on Amazon are nifty, but they wouldn't save me much time.

 

[a6m5]

Same story for me. I think you're fine without a bipod until you start routinely shooting at 200yds+ at least.

They seem so convenient though, and with a .308, I could use all the help I can get.

Hahaha. Just the standard shoot, see, and sight adjust is all I've ever used. I'd be amazed if people had some super secret way of sighting in that really made a difference. The little dummy round lasers that they sell on Amazon are nifty, but they wouldn't save me much time.

Lasers seems to be pretty cheap, around $10~$20, but I'll have to read up on them little bit to see if they are worth the time & money invested. I guess I could just go to range and do it manually, too. We'll see.

 

[Michael88]

The one I have access to, 100 yard, max.


Is this where you peek out of the barrel? Teach me, sensei!

I've never needed a bore laser in my life, I go to the 50yd range, take out the bolt, look through the barrel and aim at the target, adjust the sights accordingly and bam! Already in the black with the first round, two-three more adjustments and I'm ready to make fine adjustments at 100.
It shouldn't take more than ten rounds to zero in a rifle, its a bit tougher with iron sights that have to be moved with a pin and a hammer though, sometimes that takes me a whooping day.
Really frustrating!

Just epic battles. WWII was a huge tragic loss of life, but so many things from battles to engineering to everything that was so fascinating.

You know the saying ''War is the father of all things.''? Kind of sad but absolutely true.

 

[a6m5]

I've never needed a bore laser in my life, I go to the 50yd range, take out the bolt, look through the barrel and aim at the target, adjust the sights accordingly and bam! Already in the black with the first round, two-three more adjustments and I'm ready to make fine adjustments at 100.
It shouldn't take more than ten rounds to zero in a rifle, its a bit tougher with iron sights that have to be moved with a pin and a hammer though, sometimes that takes me a whooping day.
Really frustrating!

Let me remind you of the gap between you & me as far as skills & experiences go. Let's keep a perspective here.

You know the saying ''War is the father of all things.''? Kind of sad but absolutely true.

Oh, yeah. It's so true, it was obvious to me even at a younger age.

 

[Solid Lifters]

Hmmm...

At least his finger isn't on the trigger...

 

[Michael88]

This is the WWII sniper with the 1K kills I was talking about, Austrian Josef Allerberger. What made him so effect were his extremely sophisticated tactics.

The rifle hes holding in the pic is a late K98k 8x57IS with a Zeiss Zielvier 4 power scope, he got it pretty late in the war, most of the time he used a captured Mosin Nagant sniper. He also used a semi automatic Gewehr K43 when he needed firepower but according to him it was too inaccurate to be used as a true sniper rifle, it was more of a DMR.

If I remember correctly he was 20 when pic was taken, talk about war wearing you out.

 

[Quackjack]

This is the WWII sniper with the 1K kills I was talking about, Austrian Josef Allerberger. What made him so effect were his extremely sophisticated tactics.

The rifle hes holding in the pic is a late K98k 8x57IS with a Zeiss Zielvier 4 power scope, he got it pretty late in the war, most of the time he used a captured Mosin Nagant sniper. He also used a semi automatic Gewehr K43 when he needed firepower but according to him it was too inaccurate to be used as a true sniper rifle, it was more of a DMR.

If I remember correctly he was 20 when pic was taken, talk about war wearing you out.

I respect the Nazi soldiers; most of them didn't like Hitler and the Nazis, hell alot of them hated them! Unfortunately they had to defend their land under the horrific Third Reich. A shame, really. Besides, the Soviets committed as much or more war crimes as the Germans. And let's not even begin on the Japanese...

 

[VspecZR1GT2RS89]

I respect the Nazi soldiers; most of them didn't like Hitler and the Nazis, hell alot of them hated them! Unfortunately they had to defend their land under the horrific Third Reich. A shame, really. Besides, the Soviets committed as much or more war crimes as the Germans. And let's not even begin on the Japanese...

Yep, which is true. There's so many Nazi soldiers who wanted out or even help the Allied Forces, but they had small choices between being executed (which is the most likely choice with a harsh ruler like Hitler), tortured, prisoned or exiled from their country.

But even with the Soviets, the Japanese and anyone else who were against their countries' leaders and/or their outrageous and unethical rules/beliefs, they were forced or they suffer the consequences, meaning a difficult choice. That's dictatorship for you.

 

[Zenith]

Hmmm...

At least his finger isn't on the trigger...

NEAAAHH. My Safety Nazi is having a heart attack.

 

[Ibonibo]

I respect the Nazi soldiers; most of them didn't like Hitler and the Nazis

No that's soo not true. Most German soldiers were indoctrinated, granted, but the burocratic* process doesn't relieve you of the cruelties you made.

*in the real historic definition, not the one used today, which is misinterpreted

 

[Michael88]

No that's soo not true. Most German soldiers were indoctrinated

How can you know that?

 

[Quackjack]

How can you know that?

Herp-Derp right there. Sure there were bad apples in the 3rd Reich, but there were in the Red Army, Imperial Army, US Marines, Royal Army, ecetera.

 

[Michael88]

*edit* Ah, I guess its better to not touch the WWII and Nazi subject. Can of worms.

Lets continue to talk about guns instead.

 

[Quackjack]

True. The SS were worth less than the water I **** in.

 

[a6m5]

Yeah, the Japanese were no good. I guess that's why it wasn't a war crime to mow our civilians down with automatic fire between firebombing them, and dropping two nukes. Yeah, no good Japanese.

This is exactly why Americans are looked down upon by so many in the world. Yeah, Nazi were evil, so were Imperial Japan. But stop acting like your 🤬 don't stink. Where did your land come from in the first place? Give me a break.

 

[Zenith]

British and Americans bombed German civilians.

Americans firebombed Tokyo and nuked two other cities. Both full of civilians.

Imperial Japanese murdered more Chinese civilians than the Holocaust killed Jews and committed war crimes against prisoners.

Nazi Germany committed the Holocaust.

Russia sent their soldiers and civilians to their deaths by the hundred thousands for funsies.

Italians had concentration camps.

French Resistance committed numerous atrocities to German soldiers.

I could go on. Trying to say "We were more honorable than you were in WWII" is silly. That was 70 years ago. Nobody here has a chicken in that fight.

Back to guns.

 

[sumbrownkid]

America does have its skeletons in the closet. The atomic bomb, either if one does support or does not support the decision to deploy them in war, cannot argue that the end result is not grizzly or barbaric. But we have to move on also from the past and prevent it from happening again.

That said, how did this end up being about crimes done by nations?

 

[Zenith]

 

[a6m5]

I don't think my camera can do that.

Yeah, my bad. I did overreact. We all got our hands dirty in WWII, but everybody knows that Imperial Japan & Nazi Germany did some purely evil stuff. Don't get me wrong, if I had the chance to pick sides, I'd fight with the Allies, because I believe that ultimately, it's also in the best interest of the Japanese people to defeat Imperial Japan. It just rubbed me the wrong way. Sorry.

Keeping with the WWII () and firearms, I took my 1911 to work today. Guy at work is interested in getting one, and wanted to let him check it out. He liked it a lot!

 

[Zenith]

I wasn't specifically targeting you. Your point that Americans committed atrocities is valid (and the basis for my point.)

Is he interested in the 1911 for self defense or for fun?

 

[a6m5]

I wasn't specifically targeting you. Your point that Americans committed atrocities is valid (and the basis for my point.)

I know, but I more than took part in it, derailing the thread and everything.

Is he interested in the 1911 for self defense or for fun?

I'm not sure. He realizes that full-size 1911 is not ideal for concealed carry(he is a permit holder), but I think he already have couple of pistols for that. He has a property + cabin in middle of nowhere, so maybe it's for fun and defense, both.

 

[Omnis]

Range day cancelled today because of the hurricane.

 

[a6m5]

Range day cancelled today because of the hurricane.

I'm sorry to hear that. Just saw the thread about some monster hurricane that's about to attack the East Coast. Pacific Ocean's much nicer to us.

Stay safe Omnis and all other Floridians!