Real Guns

[Michael88]

There is a warning on the box of the bullets saying the twist rate should be 1:9, and thats exactly the twist rate of the barrel of my gun. 1:10 are more common but those can barely stabilize the 220 grainers let alone the 240's.
I've heard that 260 and 270 grainer .308s are in development with a BC of .9, when they're available I'm gonna build me a .378 Weatherby Improved with a 8'' twist 32'' barrel.
Short barrel life but tons of FUN.

 

[Brett]

I picked up four 100 round boxes of 9mm over the weekend. A trip to the range is in order very soon.

 

[a6m5]

and his SWAT issued M4 Carbine, 26 round magazine, with a foregrip, red dot sight and supressor that shoots fully automatic....boy that was a treat lol.

Thats why I put some glue between the mount and the scope when installing it.

When you do want to take the scope off, do you know if they come off without much problem?

almost a mile.

That's..... far. Really far.

I picked up four 100 round boxes of 9mm over the weekend. A trip to the range is in order very soon.

Nice. 👍 This shortage couldn't end soon enough. My friend bought a barely used Springfield Armory 1911, and he's asking where you could get the ammo. We are like, "uh.... check everywhere & often." I told him worst case scenario, I'll sell him some of mine for what I paid(DIRT cheap), so let's just hope it won't come to that. I hope you have fun at the range Brett!

 

[Zenith]

What do you mean by 26 round magazine?

 

[Slash]

Man that wood furniture is red, I love it.

Common problem, that happens when the scope gets a knock froma tree or something, it doesn't take much to make the scope move a tiny bit which will shift the POI. Thats why I put some glue between the mount and the scope when installing it.

Finally! Got my 240 grain 7.62 Sierra Matchkings from the US, they look gorgeous. According to my calculator if the bullet is launched at 2650 fp/s its good for almost a mile. With a BC of .711 they're retaining their velocity a loooong way downrange.

Left to right: 150 grain flatbase, 168 grain SMK, 220 grain SMK, 240 grain SMK.

Yeah it is. Most are stained maple or oak but ours is genuine black cherry. The color is called russian red. Thanks lol. The wood on it is unbelievable. Its very smooth and very shiny. If I had my iPod with me yesterday I would have got pictures of everything. My gramps also brought his 30/30. Couple weeks ago at the annual Woodchuck tournament I participate in we were shooting a fulley automatic and supressed .22 cal long fifle with a x4 cross ahir scope, that was fun too. That was after the hunt though, when we were target shooting at the weigh in. There was also a few 25-6s there as well.

As far as the .17 I figured that. It doesn't see a lot of use though. A few times a year at most. Still though its not far enough off yet to require sighting it in again. 1/4 inch isn't much to compensate for.

@a6

I know right haha. The only problem is on full auto the suppressor gets very hot very quick and the gases like to come back in your face. I was only shooting 6 round bursts or so because of it getting in my eyes. Still fun though. That .223 has a lot more kick than I figured it would. A bit surprising really. Caught me off guard and made it tough to keep steady. My uncle prefers semi auto for that gun.

@zenith

His swat issued mags only contain 26 rounds. Look at the picture of the ak47 I posted. That has a 30 round. Compare that to the one of the m4 and there is a noticeable size difference.



I think I have a picture of the .17 HMR with my dad carrying one tof the woodchucks we shot...hold up.




Here it is. Tough to see though

Shot this with my BB gun at 30 yards and a broken sight. Was compensating about 5 inches up and same distance right. Need to get a scope for it. It had one but its on my other gun that's broke and the scope is pretty cheap. Most of these were 3-5 pumps per round. Pump it about 30-50 times and it will rival a .22 in fps.

 

[a6m5]

Optics do make it much easier, though I don't know by how much at 30 yards.

I get you on the M4 recoil. I've never fired a .223, but while I'd expect minimal kick firing it semi-auto, I would expect it to kick quite a bit full-auto.

 

[Slash]

The sights aren't really broken but due to neglect over the past few years I've had it, the mount under the front sight above the chamber was lost and the barrel sight is ever so slightly twisted...just enough that when lining the sights up it's off from making a straight line over the U shape by about 3 degrees, if that. The scope that came with it was a pretty cheap thing and didn't sight in very well. It also camp with a 5 round pellet sliding clip that eventually broke because I dropped it and stepped on it wihile looking. I paid around $84 for it 4-5 years ago. I beleive it's a Crosman Pumpmaster 660 might be wrong on the number...I have a 760 too...and Ihad one of the wood ones too. A lot of the oddball shots are either my girlfriend or my sister shooting. Few were off though when I was first seeing how far off it really was and how much I was going to have to compensate for it. Still though that's not too bad for a messed up BB gun.

The black one that I used to shoot that target was the one that wuill rival a .22, at least when it was new. It's a bit tired now after having however many thousands of rounds fired through it.

The M4 had a suprising amount of recoil. Not a lot on semi auto abut when it was on full auto it got a bit hard to control. In fact I think it was just a little less than a .20 gauge shotgun. It was that bad. Still a very fun gun though. My AK has a bit of a punch to it also. I'd venture to say that the H&K USC 45 ACP rifle had less kick than the M4 did and the ACP was shooting a much larger round. I don't think my .222 even comes close to matching the recoil this thing put out. If I can get the video from my dad you'll see when I shot it on semi auto the thing was pushing me back pretty good.

 

[a6m5]

When you consider recoil, you can see why military rifles got away from full-autos and more to three round burst.

 

[Slash]

When you consider recoil, you can see why military rifles got away from full-autos and more to three round burst.

This was my first time shooting a fully automatic gun in a long time so it took a minute to get used to it again, but you really need to have a firm grip or the thing will fly all over the place spewing bullets everywhere. I can see why 3 round burts are nice, and IRL I prefer burst fire but this wasn't too bad once you get ahold of it better.


You can see in this video what I'm talking about. This isn't me, but you can see even with a hell of a grip, and goggles theres still a far bit of recoil for a guy his size and ythe gas blowback was still getting in his face.

 

[a6m5]

I can't even imagine an automatic .308.

 

[Slash]

I can't even imagine an automatic .308.

Like my AR-15? =P


I've never shot that on full auto though. That's sketchy haha.

 

[MarinaDiamandis]

Like my AR-15? =P


I've never shot that on full auto though. That's sketchy haha.

Your AR-15 is chambered in 7.62mm?

 

[a6m5]

Yeah, AR15's chambered in same caliber as the one in the vid(5.56mm), Slash.

 

[Nicksfix]

Like my AR-15? =P

Your AR-15 is chambered in 7.62mm?

Uuuuum, he has a Mosin AR ?

 

[Slash]

Your AR-15 is chambered in 7.62mm?

Yes.

Yeah, AR15's chambered in same caliber as the one in the vid(5.56mm), Slash.

Wrong, there are several companies that produce .308 AR-15s. 5.56's are much more popular though so I wouldn't be surprised if you've never heard of a .308 AR. They are pretty common around here.

Uuuuum, he has a Mosin AR ?

No I don't remember what it is off the top of my head. I believe it is an early model .308 cal AR but I can't remember off the top of my head what brand made it. It has a lock on it and isn't used much except for the odd hunting trip if that. It rarely gets used like my AK and civilian M16. But it has definitely always been a .308 gun. Mosin sounds familiar but I'm not sure its that. I'll have to ask my dad what brand it is. It might be Chinese made. It's similar to my Norinco SKS paratrooper that started as a fiberglass wood finish gun that has slowly progressed to fully synthetic etc. The one we have may be a Colt from around '93 or so.

From what I hear, .308 AR's aren't nearly as popular as their 5.56 counterpart. Part of the reason he got it chambered 7.62 was so he could cross use ammo he has, as the AK and SKS both use 7.62x39's.Both of those guns use the same mags as well.





Heres a good read:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_121/373257_7_62x39mm_AR_15_configurations.html

 

[a6m5]

I think you got it all mixed up, Slash. If you are talking about the .308, then you are talking about AR-10. Not the official name, but that's what people often refer to .308/7.62x51mm AR rifles. I have it(click on my profile to see a pic). When you say AR-15, it's assumed the gun is chambered in .223/5.56.

7.62x39mm or Mosin are Russian, they are not .308. AR-15s are everywhere. AR-10s, you don't see everyday. AR chambered in 7.62x39, if they sell that, I've never even seen it.

 

[Slash]

I know about the AR-10, and this is definitely an AR-15. I may be mixed up though, I don't know a lot about it, just going off things he's said haha. He's told me it's a .308 AR-15. I'll try to get him to get it out, it's locked up right now. If he does I'll take pics for you guys.


I thought I read somewhere that 7.62=.308 and 5.56=.233.

 

[a6m5]

7.62x51mm is .308 Winchester. 7.62x39mm is a Russian caliber.

If it's chambered in .308, most people would call that a AR-10, though officially, I think AR-10 is Armalite gun. I don't know if it would regarded incorrect, but AR-15 is assumed to be .223/5.56.

*edit Actually, 7.62x51 is not exactly .308, but they are practically same size. My Bushmaster .308 will fire either 7.62x51 or .308 Winchester. I'm making it more confusing.

 

[Slash]

I see. I just saw a thing that said 7.62x39's will fit an AR with the right mag...

IDK I'll try to get more information about it.

 

[a6m5]

Odds are, rifle would be made by Bushmaster, DPMS or Armalite. All the one's I've seen on net are one of the three.

My Bushmaster:



I'm still learning to shoot it, and it does kick!

 

[Nicksfix]

I'll take pics for you guys.

Pics are always worth a 1000 words ..... especially when you claim the following about the magazines on the SKS and the AK. I'd like to see this.

as the AK and SKS both use 7.62x39's.Both of those guns use the same mags as well.

Yes, they both shoot 7.62x39, you got that part right.

No, the magazines are not the same. I know, I have a Mil. Spec. SKS (converted to full auto) w/a 30 rounder attached and a virgin, never fired, never chambered AK47 (complete with 6 additional mags). The only, and I mean only remote chance of having an SKS that will accept an AK magazine is if the SKS is an M or a D. Very, very rare. Very few have made their way into the U.S.. Those few people who have them, don't / won't come off of them very easily. The only other way you can fit an AK mag to an SKS is by extensive modding ...... something that few people, if any, would do. Simply because they do not know how to do so without f'ing it up.

and yes, I am allowed to own and fire a full automatic weapon .... I have since acquired a class 3 license and a C&R license as well. (I'm going into business for myself .... part time for now)

 

[Slash]

The SKS I have is a Norinco SKS Paratrooper that started with wooden type-fiberglass furniture on the gun. It now has a full synthetics, grips etc. The stock is a folding stock, and it has a bayonet mount for a 12" bayonet (I have 2, one for the AK and the other for the SKS). It has a bipod on it and a strap and I think the scope is a 12x but I could be wrong, The gun takes my AK mags no problem and it's never been modded in any way, it's always been like since it was bought. I used to have a picture of it in my gun case but I think it got deleted. From the descriptions I've read, it sounds like an SKS-D, because it has the standard length barrel and bayonet lug. The gun we have is pre-ban. It accepts both the 5 round and 30 round magazines we have for the AK, in fact, most of thw 150 or so magazines we have were bought for the intedned use in the SKS because we use that more than the AK and that is the type it accepts

This isn't mine but it's something to this effect. It has a star pattern on the reciever.

Pretty much started as this with a longer barrel. The barrel is about 8 inches longer, maybe a bit less:

This is another thats close but has the bipod etc and reciever thingy off the one above:

 

[Zenith]

There are AR platform rifles that shoot .308/7.62x51 NATO. Those are called AR10's by some but there is not a standardized design in the market. The most accurate way to address them would be with the manufacturers specific name. They are not AR15's.

There are AR platform rifles that shot 7.62x39. This was by Knight's Armament during the early stages of the war in Afghanistan. It accepts AK mags. It's called the SR-47. Rock River Arms makes a copy called a LAR-47. This is an AR15.

7.62x51
7.62x54R
7.62x39

Are all different rifle calibers and cannot be used interchangeably.

 

[a6m5]

Pretty much started as this with a longer barrel. The barrel is about 8 inches longer, maybe a bit less:

I wouldn't have messed with that. Rifle looks awesome as was.

P.S. We don't reference rice with guns. j/k

There are AR platform rifles that shot 7.62x39. This was by Knight's Armament during the early stages of the war in Afghanistan. It accepts AK mags. It's called the SR-47. Rock River Arms makes a copy called a LAR-47. This is an AR15.

That is so cool, but I think I'd rather get a AK.

 

[Slash]

There are AR platform rifles that shoot .308/7.62x51 NATO. Those are called AR10's by some but there is not a standardized design in the market. The most accurate way to address them would be with the manufacturers specific name. They are not AR15's.

There are AR platform rifles that shot 7.62x39. This was by Knight's Armament during the early stages of the war in Afghanistan. It accepts AK mags. It's called the SR-47. Rock River Arms makes a copy called a LAR-47. This is an AR15.

Like I said I'll try to find out more about it. Most of it was by ear.

I wouldn't have messed with that. Rifle looks awesome as was.

P.S. We don't reference rice with guns. j/k

That is so cool, but I think I'd rather get a AK.

I still have the fiberglass stuff in the original box the gun came in when it was new. It's in the garage.

 

[Whitlock9mm]

I love my firearms. 👍

 

[Michael88]

There are AR platform rifles that shot 7.62x39. This was by Knight's Armament during the early stages of the war in Afghanistan. It accepts AK mags. It's called the SR-47. Rock River Arms makes a copy called a LAR-47. This is an AR15.

I've heard those are extremely unreliable due to the extremely tapered cartridge and the magazine, ARs were designed for a rather straight walled cartridge.

 

[Zenith]

I've heard those are extremely unreliable due to the extremely tapered cartridge and the magazine, ARs were designed for a rather straight walled cartridge.

I've heard that too. I also heard that they suffered reliability problems because of the wide variety of conditions and manufacturers of the cartridges they found.

 

[Auraxir]

I love my firearms. 👍

i like the one with the punsiher sticker(it is a sticker right?), what rifle is that?? XM107??

 

[Michael88]

@ Zenith
Guns originally chambered in 7.62x39 probably have sloppy chambers to deal with dirty and slightly out of spec ammo, no surprise that a match chamber can't accept both Romanian and Russian surplus from the 50's.
Reminds me of the .303, same story.