Real Guns
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- HamiltonMP427
Meaning it's far easier to use and maintain. You're never going to get a jam and if you get a dead primer in a critical moment how would you clear it with a handgun? Revolver is simple. Also the only safety with a revolver is the mental one you put up, a hand gun is different and thus allows for more mistakes. A revolver is the most easiest go to protection tool you can get in a firearm without a ton of practice. Now that's not to say that handguns don't have a place, they do but for a starter...I always recommend a revolver.
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- Ilikewaffles_11
First rifle purchase! 
Went to a gun show today looking for a Mosin Nagant M44 carbine. First vendor in the door has a single one, bought it on the spot, and didn't see another one in the entire show.
And a couple boxes of ammo, now to find somewhere to use it!
Went to a gun show today looking for a Mosin Nagant M44 carbine. First vendor in the door has a single one, bought it on the spot, and didn't see another one in the entire show.
And a couple boxes of ammo, now to find somewhere to use it!
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- HamiltonMP427
First rifle purchase!
Went to a gun show today looking for a Mosin Nagant M44 carbine. First vendor in the door has a single one, bought it on the spot, and didn't see another one in the entire show.
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And a couple boxes of ammo, now to find somewhere to use it!
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Red Army ammo, sponsored by Toyota
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- Phoenix, AZ
- GTP_Snaeper
By the way @LMSCorvetteGT2 , given our relative proximity, where do you usually go to peruse for possible purchase a practical panache of probable firearms? I've only been to a few places (Scottsdale Gun Club, Pistol Parlour), and have yet to find a place with a large selection of used or interesting firearms.
Do you go to any gun shows and are they any good around here?
Do you go to any gun shows and are they any good around here?
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- HamiltonMP427
B & D guns in Glendale, my dad is friends with the owner so that's who I usually go to. If I don't feel like taking a drive (since I live in Tempe) then I usually go to a Bass Pro shop or something more casual. It just takes some shopping around, I know what gun stores aren't good and what are based on just seeing all the weapons my dad purchased some years ago.
If that doesn't work for me then I go to a local gun shop back in my hometown when I'm down their to visit my mom and brother.
EDIT: As for the Gun show, I don't bother with it, I have been before it's one of the biggest you can go to in the nation and it's usually held at the Phoenix Colosseum where the state fair is held.
- 5,231
- Nicest part of hell
Oh oh! *raises hand* I've known about that little rifle for many years, I've always found it very neat.
Though I think the Marlin Papoose takedown is better - or so I've heard:
Speaking about 22, I brought my old Nokia phone to the range, well, even at 50 meters with sub sonic ammunition it made short work of the little phone (I removed the power cell before shooting it)
It went through the phone, through the 1'' pine board behind it and went into the dirt behind it.
The 22 is so silent I heard the impact. The bottom left hit took out the little mignon battery, lol.
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$10 says the Nokia still works
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- KCCO
Good site to read up on if you haven't already:First rifle purchase!
Went to a gun show today looking for a Mosin Nagant M44 carbine. First vendor in the door has a single one, bought it on the spot, and didn't see another one in the entire show.
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And a couple boxes of ammo, now to find somewhere to use it!
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7.62x54r.net
Let us know what you've got. I got my Mosin at a small store in my town square. 1925 Tula 91/30.
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The closest thing I can think of is an old mauser 264 win mag I bought for one of my girlfriends when I took her muley hunting.
Nice link 👍
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- Ilikewaffles_11
Awesome, thanks for sharing that, I'll definitely be spending some time in there. Mine is a 1953 M44 Carbine.
Finally got to fire it off this week though, last minute cabin trip meant I could fire off as many rounds as I'd like! Also took my dads single shot bolt action .22, and everybody else brought some stuff. Good times.
What a few 7.62x54 rounds do to a cantaloupe (and the ground)
Also found out I'm a terrible shot
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If you get bored, or out of targets, trees are excellent to shoot at. So far I've cut down two of them..Awesome, thanks for sharing that, I'll definitely be spending some time in there. Mine is a 1953 M44 Carbine.
Finally got to fire it off this week though, last minute cabin trip meant I could fire off as many rounds as I'd like! Also took my dads single shot bolt action .22, and everybody else brought some stuff. Good times.
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What a few 7.62x54 rounds do to a cantaloupe (and the ground)
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Also found out I'm a terrible shot
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Yea somebody was telling me to cut down some trees with it for some firewood.
I'll have to try that next time.
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In all seriousness though, they probably die more to the poisoning rather the holes in them.
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- Ilikewaffles_11
Anybody know of any good 7.62x54R manufacturers? I was using Red Army Standard which seemed alright, but from what I've read online they actually are quite hit or miss and some of it is extremely corrosive.. I fired off 40 rounds of it a few days ago and I'm almost scared to look at the bore..
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- a6m5zero
I've shot Tula's & their box said non-corrosive? Mine was a .308, but I'd have thought their 7.62x54's also non-corrosive. Other than that, I have zero knowledge on the caliber.
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I bought some of the 440 spam cans and meh results. I think my box was Romanian from 54 I think (or 74... dunno). Out of the 200 I've shot so far, only 1 case has cracked. It's not a good target ammo, but rather for plinking. Since then I've started to reload but I'm waiting to get my Mauser scoped and sighted in before I work on the Mosin. It also needs to be restained, as the top hand guard looks horrific.
Best advice for corrosive stuff is as soon as you get home, get some paper towels and stuff them up the beginning of the bore. Then squirt about 5-8 shots of windex with ammonia, has to be with ammonia, down the muzzel. Get some more paper towels and start making the windex slide around on the inside by doing whatever makes you look silly, and then run a boresnake down. If you really want to clean it out after that, then some hoppes works great on a pad.
Make sure you also put some windex on a paper towel, and rub down the bolt, as the powder will go all over it.
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Czech made Sellier & Bellot 7.62x54r is extremely good. Also brass cases and completely non-corrosive. Its on the same level as new manufactured .308 etc.
They even make them with HPBT match bullets:
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I'm a terrible shot so target shooting doesn't matter to me.
But thanks for the advice, I'll be sure to try it out. 👍 I went out and got a cleaning kit for it, so I'd like to give it a good cleaning before I use it next time.
Czech made Sellier & Bellot 7.62x54r is extremely good. Also brass cases and completely non-corrosive. Its on the same level as new manufactured .308 etc.
They even make them with HPBT match bullets:
Interesting, I'll have to look them up, thanks. 👍
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- N0t_L3fty
Picked up a couple old girls for the toy box. One is M36 MAS in 7.5 x 54 French, got a couple boxes of ammo with it. Sporterized in the late 50's or early 60's by Golden State Arms.The other is a Mossburg 46M made between 1940 & 1950, it's a .22 with tubular feed. I haven't shot the 7.5 x 54 yet, but I did put a few through the .22, it has some extraction issues. I already found parts for it. Lyman peep sights & the missing hood for the front sight. The extended part of the forearm is a separate piece of wood with that metal band tying them together. Forgot about the S&W .22 I picked up used, it was crying that it need a good home, so I will give it one
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Decided to make a good decision and went down to C2 Tactical to rent some firearms and see what I like. I also brought my Grandfather's Colt Challenger along for some range time, which ended up being a great decision.
I rented my top two full-sized 9MM I was considering, the DA/SA CZ-75 (I ultimately want an SP-01, but their BD model would have to do) as well as the striker fired Walther PPQ. I'm really glad I fired these first.
I'm still pretty inexperienced with firearms, so the difference in kick from one to another wasn't noticeable. I do like the same trigger of the striker, but considering I was racking the CZ each time, I was pretty much in SA anyways and it wasn't until my last five or so rounds of 9MM that I intentionally began de-cocking it to experience the DA trigger, which was a mistake after getting used to the SA first.
The PPQ was a great gun overall and I enjoyed firing it as well. The obvious advantage of the PPQ being weight, but the more noticeable difference was ease of loading the magazine. In the end, I found myself liking both firearms just as much as I had going in and I think I'm going to end up going with the CZ, as this gun will be used for home defense, maybe kept in the car and possibly open carried during camping, so the extra weight really isn't an issue. I held a Walther PPS and might get that for my carry gun in the future, with the PPQ coming later as an additional range toy option.
I'm going to stick with 9mm for now as I liked the amount of kick and noise it made. A few people were firing a larger caliber of some variety next to me and I was just not down for that .40/.45 action yet.
After returning the PPQ, I grabbed the Colt Challenger and kept waiting for the kick. .22LR in an all metal frame meant it was an absolute Rolls Royce to plink with. I'm still a pretty big novice, but I was surprised to essentially get the same groups whether I took the time to aim, or laid the trigger out and dumped the mag.
The Colt also trained me on clearing the gun. I had some CCI and Winchester ammo, and while the CCI ran like a clock, the Winchester simply didn't have enough grain to function in the heavy gun, thus every third or fourth round would stick, giving me plenty of practice in removing it and returning to firing.
Overall I had a pretty damn good day and will be going back there for pretty much all of my gun-related needs in the future as all of the staff were helpful, friendly and knowledgeable.
I rented my top two full-sized 9MM I was considering, the DA/SA CZ-75 (I ultimately want an SP-01, but their BD model would have to do) as well as the striker fired Walther PPQ. I'm really glad I fired these first.
I'm still pretty inexperienced with firearms, so the difference in kick from one to another wasn't noticeable. I do like the same trigger of the striker, but considering I was racking the CZ each time, I was pretty much in SA anyways and it wasn't until my last five or so rounds of 9MM that I intentionally began de-cocking it to experience the DA trigger, which was a mistake after getting used to the SA first.
The PPQ was a great gun overall and I enjoyed firing it as well. The obvious advantage of the PPQ being weight, but the more noticeable difference was ease of loading the magazine. In the end, I found myself liking both firearms just as much as I had going in and I think I'm going to end up going with the CZ, as this gun will be used for home defense, maybe kept in the car and possibly open carried during camping, so the extra weight really isn't an issue. I held a Walther PPS and might get that for my carry gun in the future, with the PPQ coming later as an additional range toy option.
I'm going to stick with 9mm for now as I liked the amount of kick and noise it made. A few people were firing a larger caliber of some variety next to me and I was just not down for that .40/.45 action yet.
After returning the PPQ, I grabbed the Colt Challenger and kept waiting for the kick. .22LR in an all metal frame meant it was an absolute Rolls Royce to plink with. I'm still a pretty big novice, but I was surprised to essentially get the same groups whether I took the time to aim, or laid the trigger out and dumped the mag.
The Colt also trained me on clearing the gun. I had some CCI and Winchester ammo, and while the CCI ran like a clock, the Winchester simply didn't have enough grain to function in the heavy gun, thus every third or fourth round would stick, giving me plenty of practice in removing it and returning to firing.
Overall I had a pretty damn good day and will be going back there for pretty much all of my gun-related needs in the future as all of the staff were helpful, friendly and knowledgeable.
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