Really disappointed with this gamePS4
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There were a few bugs on pCARS 1 that lead me to quit.. are these happening on pCARS 2? (other bugs normally I can live with as nothing is perfect) - I never had these types of problems with other titles (Dirt Rally, SLRE, Dirt 4, Asstto Corsa, WRC 7. GTS)
Looking for more tracks and pCARS 2 has them..
Invisible walls launching cars or dead stopping them on the track.
FFB buzzing vibrating just after the start of a race (leading you to restart or leave a lobby because it was annoying)
FFB going completely out just after the start of a race after you spend time qualifying (leading you to restart or leave a lobby because well it just sucks) - I am not talking wheel over heat fade.. I mean just no FFB at all.
Pit wall crashes on auto drive damaging your vehicle
Game crashing and sending my T300 100% full force lock to one side - had to jump up and pull the power or usb.
Looking for more tracks and pCARS 2 has them..
Invisible walls launching cars or dead stopping them on the track.
FFB buzzing vibrating just after the start of a race (leading you to restart or leave a lobby because it was annoying)
FFB going completely out just after the start of a race after you spend time qualifying (leading you to restart or leave a lobby because well it just sucks) - I am not talking wheel over heat fade.. I mean just no FFB at all.
Pit wall crashes on auto drive damaging your vehicle
Game crashing and sending my T300 100% full force lock to one side - had to jump up and pull the power or usb.
- 28,470
- Windsor, Ontario, Canada
- Johnnypenso
I've probably got less hours into PC2 than most people here but I initially had the same thoughts as you about the feeling of cars changing between practice, qualifying and race but, in my case anyway, I discovered that the source of those changes was mainly in tire heat and pressure conditions. Leaving the pits with cold tires, it takes time to get them up to temperature. You'll be slippery at first and then they heat up and the car becomes grippier and more balanced. But if you overdrive in practice or qualifying you can overheat the tires and then start to lose grip. Or you might have the brake ducts too open for the conditions and not get them up to temp so they never really feel right. Now comes the race and you start off with perfectly warm tires on each corner. If you didn't adjust the brake ducts properly, they'll cool down a bit and you'll lose grip. If you overdrive the car under pressure they might overheat and again, lose grip. They'll also wear, which might cause you to slip and slide more and lose grip.It's true, PC1 wasn't too good until all the patches it got. I do hope that PC2 ends up the same way. But in the meantime I just can't play it anymore.
With PC2, I just can't seem to have a good race. Especially endurance races (Which I like the best). The AI is always twitching like someone who doesn't know what their doing playing on a controller, AI crashing into me as well as other AI cars (And I don't mean in a good realistic way), playing for an hour or more setting up a car only to do a race in the same exact conditions and have the car behave completely different, etc...
I know some people will think it's just me, but I don't have these issues on PC1, or Assetto Corsa.
The live track is great, but I can't help feel that that's what killed this game. To much game power and focus on that and not everything else. My ideal game would be PC1 with the new driving physics (same AI though), manual pit stops with pit people, being able to see the headlights in the rear view mirror, time change more accurate, and of course the new cars and new tracks. That would have been a perfect PC2 game. I feel what they tried to do should have been a PC3 game on a new console system. But that's just my opinion.
Trust me, I really, really want PC2 to be good, and I hope at some point it will be.
Thing is, all these things are what happen to real cars and the fact is that you can actually feel the difference in the game, through your wheel, if you have one, and it shows up in overall grip levels, lap times, car behaviour etc. I don't know if that is what is happening to you, you might be experiencing a bug or something, but I'd pay very close attention to your tires each time you think something is affecting your grip levels in the game.
- 21
- Australia
I have it on ps4 and it is better than the first one besides the graphics and audio taking a nose dive. I have come across a few invisible wall moments but it wasn't as bad as on the first game where it would literally launch you off the track. Apart from that i have had no other issues really besides the ffb for each individual car being inconsistent, as in you will set up the ffb to feel awesome on one car, and then change to another car and it will hardly have any ffb.
But my advice would be to wait and purchase it on the cheap.
Harry Freq
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Yeah i think this is why i cannot put a vast amount of hours into the game like the first. First impressions out of the box were WTF have they done to the graphics?!?! Then the sound i swear is much worse as you say as well.
Physics wise its a big step up from the first game and getting close to AC but with the graphics been downgraded so much i tend to just play it for an hour a night (20 minutes in ffb menus) while PCARS1 i could easily play 6-8 a night. Shame really as i thought this would blow all other sims out of the water.
- 21
- Australia
I recently jumped to pc because of how disappointed i was with PC2, lack of vr, and lack of racing sims on PS4 in general. So i downloaded the PC2 demo and i swear the audio on pc sounds better than PS4. It has more punch to it.
Then i remembered Ian Bell saying something like they had to change the way they traditionally fit the game onto the disc because of all the content in PC2, and it has me thinking that's why the audio and graphics are average compared to PC1 on console.
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Soft tyres heat up more quickly and from lower temps, so if you run them on a hotter track surface they will get too hot.
Hard tyres heat up less quickly and need higher track temps to 'switch' on, allowing you to run on hotter tracks with a lower rusk of overheating.
It would apply for all situations.
- 28,470
- Windsor, Ontario, Canada
- Johnnypenso
I have yet to find a temperature where the softs are any good but I've read extremely low temps, like single digit celsius. I have trouble keeping the hards at workable temps on some car/track combinations. GT3 at Dubai last night, all vents fully open, proper tire pressure and I had to baby it to keep hards below 110C. I often wonder if I'm missing something but I see everyone else slip sliding around the track
Woah! Every day's a school day. Who knows how long I'd have continued sliding around on softs if I hadn't peeked in here. Thanks, guys. You'll both get a shout out in my next victory speech.I have yet to find a temperature where the softs are any good but I've read extremely low temps, like single digit celsius. I have trouble keeping the hards at workable temps on some car/track combinations. GT3 at Dubai last night, all vents fully open, proper tire pressure and I had to baby it to keep hards below 110C. I often wonder if I'm missing something but I see everyone else slip sliding around the track
- 28,470
- Windsor, Ontario, Canada
- Johnnypenso
Tire temps and tire pressures are the number one tuning priority in this game from what I've discovered so far. You can have the most godly tune available, with a car that's perfectly stable but if your tires are down or up 4 PSI from ideal or the temps are up or down 20C+ from ideal, you will not be competitive against pilots of the same skill level who have ideal temps and pressures. An average tune with good tires temps and pressures will will be far more competitive. Tire management is the key in this game, just like...real racing!!
You have to really get a feel for tire temps. If you're practicing for a race, go really hard in practice for 6 or 8 laps and see where the temps and pressures are. 2 or 3 laps may not do it. Then take the same setup and try to be smoother. Brake a bit sooner so your corner setup is easier, less heat buildup through braking and corner entry. Smooth out but always use the whole track. Do that for 8 laps and see where the temps and pressures are and compare lap times as well. You might find you're just as fast being smooth and neat for 6 or 8 laps because you'll keep the temps down and pressures ideal and maintain higher grip levels. Then rinse and repeat with a full fuel load, then again with a Q fuel load of only a few laps. It makes a difference in how you drive and how you set up the car. Qualifying becomes a chess game. Can you get away with closing the brake ducts and engine fan for one hot lap and not blow up the car and overheat the tires? Can you do it in one lap or do you hedge your bets and open up the brake ducts and engine cooling to allow for 2 or 3 laps?
Once you get a feel for it it will become second nature. You'll show up at a track in your favourite car, look at the ambient and track temps and have a good idea what setup to try and, if you're racing online, you'll probably blow past all the noobs who still think this is GT or Forza
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The notes for the next patch state they will be addressing the operating window for tyres.I have yet to find a temperature where the softs are any good but I've read extremely low temps, like single digit celsius. I have trouble keeping the hards at workable temps on some car/track combinations. GT3 at Dubai last night, all vents fully open, proper tire pressure and I had to baby it to keep hards below 110C. I often wonder if I'm missing something but I see everyone else slip sliding around the track
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- Johnnypenso
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Cool...pun intended. That'll up the fun factor tremendously:tup:👍
It does make me laugh a bit, given the comment earlier in this thread that SMS don't address issue with the title and you then get update lists like this:
SMS
Harry Freq
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Should all that still need fixing 4 months after release? It's a hell of a patch that's for sure but 4 months after release we should be at a complete game by now, Also id put money on patch 5 having to fix just the same amount of things.
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- Windsor, Ontario, Canada
- Johnnypenso
Define "should". GTSport is one of the two best funded, Triple A racing games on the planet with a budget that is many multiples of this game and every other save for Forza. In the last month or two bugs have been revealed that allow you to increase grip magically to the tune of 3 seconds a lap or so and another that allowed you to change tires while on track just be going into the pause menu and hitting a couple of buttons. Dozens of players have been caught using the latter bug through the scrutiny of replays, including top tier aliens. GT is in no way a more complicated piece of software than PC2. This is not to slag GT or any other game, but to reinforce the concept that, with millions of lines of code in a piece of software you can buy for relative peanuts, things are going to slip by. It's inevitable and the correction process isn't easy or without complications of it's own. That isn't to say we should accept a game full of bugs but expecting everything to be perfect after 4 months isn't realistic.
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I would actually describe it as a correctly detailed list of patch notes, one that fits in with the patch notes you tend to get for any PC title.
This for example is the latest Elite Dangerous patch list (a title that came out four years ago):
Certainly I prefer this level of detail over the vague one-line rubbish that so often appears for console titles.
Harry Freq
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I understand that games this day and age are not going to be bug free and i did hear of a few dodgy bugs in GTS. I have barely touched GTS but what i did play it seemed to be a more "finished" title with far fewer issues than PCARS 2. Honestly i dont think that's down to the budget PD have i think that's more to do with SMS rushing titles and are happy to "finish" the game 12 months down the line (PCARS)
- 28,470
- Windsor, Ontario, Canada
- Johnnypenso
Budget and rushing are two sides of the same coin. The more money you have in the kitty, the more resources you can throw at your game to hasten the release date and/or the longer you can wait to polish things properly. Money makes the world go around...and that includes video game development. If budget didn't make any difference PD wouldn't have 200 staff and a budget that's likely in the high 8 figures just like GT5.
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- Australia
Nope i tested the same car on the same track and the ffb is the same.
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- Ireland
Well GT is more of a simplistic game with nowhere near the physics that PC2 has.
Are they not still patching IRacing/AC and every other Sim? And they have been out for years while PC2 has been in development for around 3 years.
Of course there is still going to be bugs after release.
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If anybody thinks "well, this stuff should have come up in testing" then they need to understand how testing works. If you have, say, 50 people testing a patch, they are going to find FAR less stuff than 500,000 people find when they play the game. They also all have their own way of looking for stuff, routines and habits, beyond the prescribed methods. It's like asking 5 people to drive a 500-mile journey from A to B, without satnav, and expecting them all to take the same route 
. Sure, if you had one person coding the entire game, you could argue that it should never have gone wrong, but when you have a bunch of people who, naturally, work on the areas they have the most expertise in, pooling their work into one product, well, they're human, mistakes happen.
As a practical example of how easily some bugs can slip through, imagine the situation whereby one particular paint livery for a car results in a certain moving part of that car to become invisible BUT, crucially, only when cornering at speed and only when viewed from a particular camera view. That happened with one game I was testing and would not have been picked up unless somebody stumbled on that specific scenario, like I did. You can just imagine the reaction from the first person in public that found it .... "look at this poorly tested piece of ****, why can't they test this stuff?" . Do you really expect every car to be tested, in every paint/livery, from every camera angle in every scenario? Sure, if you had 10,000 people and months of time available, you probably could, but then patches would arrive much later and the updated content would cost 3x as much.
I'm not writing this to say "well, that's just how it is, so it's fine to put up with it", I'm as frustrated by bugs as anybody else. But know this, SMS are equally, if not more, frustrated by the problems that slip through. It's their baby, something they are immensely (and justifiably) proud of and nobody wants to see us, the players, annoyed by glitches. You only have to look at how much work that went into this latest patch to realise how hard they worked (and are continuing to work) on improving it.
As a final note, quite obviously we all have our own tolerance level for what is and isn't acceptable, so there's nothing wrong with expressing disappointment in something if it genuinely disappoints. I've put down many a game in the past and never thought twice about not playing them again, due to frustrations with bugs or the game's approach to "fun" and there's nothing wrong with that. OK, it's frustrating that it's my money that I've spent on something that I'm not enjoying but it's not the end of the world, I find something else to enjoy instead. Life's too short to play games that don't make us smile.
* no, I don't work for SMS and never have done. I was very active in WMD1 and WMD2, mostly as the class clown! I have received some merchandise (poster, t-shirts, that sort of thing) from SMS by way of thank you, over the last 6 and a bit years and been privileged enough to meet a lot of their team. I do not write for them, I do not speak for them, I do not apologise on their behalf, I write what I write as somebody that enjoys playing their games. You can call me a shill if you like, but you'd be mistaken and I wouldn't care a jot anyway!
. Sure, if you had one person coding the entire game, you could argue that it should never have gone wrong, but when you have a bunch of people who, naturally, work on the areas they have the most expertise in, pooling their work into one product, well, they're human, mistakes happen.As a practical example of how easily some bugs can slip through, imagine the situation whereby one particular paint livery for a car results in a certain moving part of that car to become invisible BUT, crucially, only when cornering at speed and only when viewed from a particular camera view. That happened with one game I was testing and would not have been picked up unless somebody stumbled on that specific scenario, like I did. You can just imagine the reaction from the first person in public that found it .... "look at this poorly tested piece of ****, why can't they test this stuff?" . Do you really expect every car to be tested, in every paint/livery, from every camera angle in every scenario? Sure, if you had 10,000 people and months of time available, you probably could, but then patches would arrive much later and the updated content would cost 3x as much.
I'm not writing this to say "well, that's just how it is, so it's fine to put up with it", I'm as frustrated by bugs as anybody else. But know this, SMS are equally, if not more, frustrated by the problems that slip through. It's their baby, something they are immensely (and justifiably) proud of and nobody wants to see us, the players, annoyed by glitches. You only have to look at how much work that went into this latest patch to realise how hard they worked (and are continuing to work) on improving it.
As a final note, quite obviously we all have our own tolerance level for what is and isn't acceptable, so there's nothing wrong with expressing disappointment in something if it genuinely disappoints. I've put down many a game in the past and never thought twice about not playing them again, due to frustrations with bugs or the game's approach to "fun" and there's nothing wrong with that. OK, it's frustrating that it's my money that I've spent on something that I'm not enjoying but it's not the end of the world, I find something else to enjoy instead. Life's too short to play games that don't make us smile.
* no, I don't work for SMS and never have done. I was very active in WMD1 and WMD2, mostly as the class clown! I have received some merchandise (poster, t-shirts, that sort of thing) from SMS by way of thank you, over the last 6 and a bit years and been privileged enough to meet a lot of their team. I do not write for them, I do not speak for them, I do not apologise on their behalf, I write what I write as somebody that enjoys playing their games. You can call me a shill if you like, but you'd be mistaken and I wouldn't care a jot anyway!
Harry Freq
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- United Kingdom
PCARS fans love to keep bringing iracing into this...iracing is a service it's like buying NFS Shift 15 years ago from SMS and they dont release another game instead they keep updating the game with updates whenever they work to progress the game. SMS model is different instead of that they release SHIFT, SHIFT 2, PCARS, PCARS 2 and then have the mountains of fixes for each game.
AC do bring patches out but they dont need to continually have to patch as much and not with such a vast amount of fixes. Nor was AC as buggy as PCARS or 2 on release.
Look we know other games get patched but SMS have been in the business for a long long time they should be at a point here quality control is pretty god dam high on their list rather than **** it get it out we will fix 6-12 months down the line then release the "full complete edition"
For me SMS bite off more they can chew - Far too much content for them to have the quality control that we crave.
The older i get the more i seem to love a good moan! Old Man Syndrome
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- 28,470
- Windsor, Ontario, Canada
- Johnnypenso
Assetto Corsa v1.2 patch notes
Assetto Corsa v1.14 Patch Notes
And those are only two examples. There are many more, running well into the hundreds of lines in total.
Harry Freq
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All tyour doing is backing me up, Each of those patch notes dont get anywhere near...
Project CARS 2 - PC Update 1.4.0.0
PC
Solved link to Facebook page when user selects the Facebook option on the Extras tab whilst Microsoft Edge is set as default browser on PC.
Corrected multiple options in Photo Mode not being reflected when playing in VR.
Solved VR flicker.
Dedicated Server: corrected session duration automatically changing to 140 minutes when the player sets the time to more than 140 minutes.
Dedicated Server: improved client and server code that uses older net API, allowing for more reliable connections.
Changed the default drawing distance when playing in VR to minimize intermittent texture flickering.
Improvements to droplets on camera in both VR and non-VR.
Resolved game launching in Spanish when Windows’ current location is set to Latin American countries.
Corrected an issue in VR where driving lines would disappear if camera view was changed during race.
Solved an issue where Dedicated Server lobby weather conditions would always display as ‘clear’.
Corrected an issue where Dedicated Server lobby vehicle images weren’t updated correctly during multiclass selection.
Corrected an issue in post-race results where the mouse would not switch between the Driver List and footer menu.
Improved an Online Lobby issue where players were able to select a vehicle before info was fully set.
Refined incorrect message 'Multiple inputs were detected. No action was assigned' when player presses Esc key and message 'Please assign a new configuration' is displayed.
Polished the missing background for ‘return to position’ messages in VR.
Stability improvement for when a user would join an in-progress session.
Corrected AI behaving erratically leading to a crash to desktop.
Corrected an issue in VR handling two screen systems to ensure that they are both treated separately, allowing either to be the default.
Resolved a save fail if ‘my documents’ folder is set to a network location.
User Interface
Corrected an inconsistency between info on the Track Select screen and the Loading screen.
Refined the Online Browser filter not closing properly.
Fixed the Password Protected Lobby icon that was missing on the Lobby Details screen.
Improvements to Career Dashboard Standings UI.
Corrected some display unit values not changing when switching between metric and imperial units.
Stability improvement where the game would become unresponsive when attempting to save a setup with no description.
Solved incorrect message when entering an invalid password.
Solved Career nationality not defaulting to console / Steam user's location.
Improved Session and Race settings not updating in Online Championship rounds if the user applies a Motorsport Preset, thereby adding a round to the schedule.
Corrected options under Realism Settings in Online Lobbies not displaying correctly and being inaccessible to Host after accessing the Realism Settings from the Online Lobby.
Added name of tyres on the car within the pre-race menu.
Improved language translations throughout the game.
Added message for when ‘ghosts’ and times are not uploaded due to invalid car-and-track combinations.
Resolved 'Pedal Type' and 'Calibrate Wheel' disappearing if the user clicks on the scroll bar of the Control Scheme from the Pause screen.
Fixed 'Rules & Regulations' and 'Esports' settings being altered if user selected 'Reset to Default' in the 'Realism Settings'.
Solved car classes disappearing in Vehicle Select screen of Online Lobbies when changing vehicles in multiclass lobbies.
Resolved changes of Helmet Camera settings not saving properly via the Pause Menu Options.
Corrected setup descriptions not fully appearing if too long.
Removed green screen appearing for a second when skipping the Career path intro movie.
Removed a copy of the 'Won Group A Pan-America Championship' accolade.
Fix for an issue where the pit strategies full message would not appear when trying to save a pit strategy with no available slots.
Fixed the 'Edit Driver' screen overlapping the Showroom when in Vehicle Select of Online Championships.
Added a notification for the lobby admin/host when a player rejects Director or Broadcaster roles.
Polished a mismatch of results on Sessions Result screen and Retire screen.
Adjusted location of important penalty messages on the HUD, and enabled them even when the HUD is Off.
Corrected long team names not appearing correctly in Online Championships.
Fix for correctly displaying the finishing status of players and AI that do not finish the race or retire early.
Resolved opponent cars flicking if they retire from an Online Championship on the Pre-Race screen.
Corrected an issue where user was unable to see which setup was being selected in Tuning Setups with HDR Enabled.
Refined Online Championships showing previously-assigned team names in new sessions .
Improved progress bars in Pedal Calibration to more accurately represent pedal input.
Corrected overlapping text issue in Pit Strategy.
Corrected image for Fanatec Porsche GT3 RS wheel in Controller Settings.
Resolved lobby details not showing all classes in multiclass Dedicated Server lobbies.
Added help text for Menu Spring Strength.
Removed Damper Saturation option.
Corrected an issue where changing track would not remove invalid weather.
Improved an issue where the game would only allow for 250 laps when the player set more than 250 laps in Race Settings.
Resolved debug text appearing in S1, S2, and S3 columns of the In-Progress screen when the player selects 'Retire and Spectate'.
Refined the pit stop time being estimated incorrectly when setting 'Change Tyres' to 'Recommended' on certain cars.
Fixed Manufacturer Events showing incorrect progress for unlocked manufacturers when creating a new career.
Fixed the number of pit stops not being displayed correctly in Post-Race Results screen.
Resolved the Player not being able to determine their grid position when using the IndyCar Motorsport Preset.
Fixed conversion when displaying rev limit in tuning setups.
Corrected the 'Restart Session' button being highlighted by default instead of 'Continue' on Session Results screens.
Corrected pit stop progress information not showing in the pit stop cinematic cameras when entering the pits in the telemetry HUD.
Changed Rear View Mirror to disable dynamic scaling.
Enabled Enhanced Mirror when 'Enhanced Visuals' option is selected.
Resolved incorrect ordering after altering the Standings in Online Championships.
Added active Motorsport Presets to View Info and Edit screens in Online Championships.
Resolved changes not being reflected when re-editing a Created Event.
Corrected an issue where the game would incorrectly round up player's time on HUD and Results screen.
Fixed an issue where player would sustain damage in the pit lane, but it would not appear on the HUD damage element.
Corrected an issue where no data would be displayed when loading a default setup after previously overwriting it.
Resolved 4th position missing in Standings Panel when on the grid during countdown sequence.
Resolved 'Create New Pit Strategy' option remaining enabled when all pit strategy slots were filled.
Fix for Team tab being disabled on Round Results screen of Online Championship.
Corrected Status/Session info in Replays not correctly updating when switching drivers.
Fixed Director and Broadcaster screens not showing all participants data in Online Championships.
Fixed the Circuit of the Americas National circuit appearing when Daytona International Speedway Tri-Oval was selected in Online Championships.
Added a central cockpit camera to cars and the options screen.
Stability improvement when a player selected the 'Compare Driver Network Profile' option from Team Roster of Online Championships, after adding a Director or Broadcaster.
Corrected an issue where Online Lobbies were not sorted in lobby browser when a player altered the sort order of a certain column more than twice.
Resolved the player not being able to access Driver Network Profile on Livery Select screen of Invitational Events.
Removed the 'Edit' option in Online Championships Lobby for options that cannot be edited.
Improved the bars in the Competitive Racing License history chart to make them visible at lower values.
Refined an issue where Rounds in Online Championships Schedule were selectable after they had been completed.
Adjusted overlapping Online Championship names when text is extremely long.
Improved lighting to some objects in car thumbnails.
Polished the Current Session information being displayed on the Pre-Session screen in Online Championships.
Corrected Tuning setups saving issues.
Resolved an issue in Online Championships where class-wide results would fail to display under certain circumstances.
Improved the menu flow in Online Championships to prevent accidental return to Main Menu when pressing the back button during countdown on lobby screen.
Added lobby filtering for Competitive Racing License.
Adjusted an issue where, in Russian, the capital K and Y letters were showing as lower case in the driver profile.
Corrected an issue where the track UI wasn’t updating for the client if the host selected a new track in the Online Lobby.
Corrected an issue where an incorrect detailed view of a car would be shown in Vehicle Select.
Solved an issue where multiple DLC invitation pop-ups were triggered after creating a new career.
Corrected an issue where the player is unable to change the number of laps within a lobby screen.
Cars
Audi R8 LMS, and R8 LMS 24H: improved LOD popping issue at the rear of the cars.
Mazda Radbull: fixed backfires not being visible from the cockpit.
Honda 2&4: corrected glass HUD blurring with road behind the glass.
Improved steering animations for Honda 2&4 and Radical SR3 when using a gamepad.
Tracks
Bannochbrae: fixed collision issues in the pit lane / pit area with larger sized cars.
Catalunya Club: corrected cinematic cameras remaining active when restarting a concluded session.
Catalunya Rallycross: removed Joker Lap exploit.
Donington Park: adjusted pit crew positions.
Dubai Autodrome Club: corrected incorrect track length.
Hell Rallycross: improved tree walls and outer terrain LOD distance.
Indianapolis: changed the position of pit exit-line objects, and resolved an issue where the car could avoid the pit-out trigger.
Knockhill: reduced garage depth to fix the AI hitting the kerb and marshal-box exiting pit garages.
Lydden Hill: fixed a hole in collision mesh that caused players to lose control when hitting a dip in the road.
Monza Oval: turned off oval flag. This disables the oval setup being applied, as track direction is opposite to the other ovals in the game.
Spa Francorchamps: polished the pits to stop rain and snow falling in garages.
Texas Motor Speedway: resolved player receiving insufficient progress notification while leaving the pits.
Resolved issue where, after race is restarted, advertisement boards failed to disappear and remained on-track after being knocked about.
Updated pit crew animations for tracks with left-hand-sided pit stop fueling.
Handling
Added a new Opposite Lock Assist for gamepads and keyboards. This is designed to help the player control oversteer and slides, and can be toggled On or Off in the Gameplay screen in Options.
Fixed incorrect altitude of many tracks for better balance of performance between turbo and naturally-aspirated cars.
BMW 1M: Improved FFB scale.
Dallara IR-15 Oval: increased FFB multiplier and fixed the FFB feeling very light, default gamepad setup changed to a differential which removes the left pull due to tyre stagger, revised tyre rubber for ovals when cold, and lowered rolling resistance of oval tyres.
Ferrari 333SP: small balance of performance changes to fit with other LMP900 cars. Fixed final drive ratios and improved AI gear usage.
Ford Escorts: raised and moved back chase camera position to help with high FOV settings.
Ford Falcon V8SC: shifted aero drag balance rearward, fixed rear wing yaw effect, re-balanced adhesive and ‘rip grip’ for slick tyre compounds.
Ford Fusion Stockcar: new Road Course tyre that now has a stiffer carcass and wider adhesive peak. Adjusted the AI tyres to match.
Ford Mustang RTR Formula Drift: improvement to cars’ handling based on Vaughn Gitten Jr.'s feedback.
Ford Sierra Group A: moved the launch RPM higher to help the AI on race starts.
Formula A: reduced fuel tank capacity to a more reasonable level.
Formula C and Formula R: revised tyres, engine braking, and damper setup for better stability and easier driveability. Revised Stable setups. Adjusted FFB for changes to tyres. Fixed rain tyre being faster than the slick.
Formula Cars: decreased sensitivity to aero and suspension damage.
Ginetta G40: Tuned for better control after large impacts and jump landings. Rebalanced side aero forces and tyre carcass bump-rebound damping.
Lamborghini Huracan GT3: slight drag decrease to hit known top speeds with low rear wing.
Lamborghini Sesto Elemento: increased FFB strength (previously too low).
Ligier Judd LMP2 and RWD P20: better engine cooling adjustments after HP changes.
LMP2 cars: gave approx’ 50hp power increase to get them closer to real-world lap times, and adjusted radiator sizes to suit.
Lotus 38 and Lotus 56: increased speed on ovals.
Mercedes AMG GT3 and SLS GT3: default wings changed for AI cars to obtain better speed balance at low downforce tracks.
Nissan GTR GT3: small increase in power to 525hp.
OMSE RX Lites: increased FFB multiplier and shifted aero drag toward the centre.
Porsche 911 GT3 R: revised suspension geometry and setup from new reference material. Re-calculated chassis moments of inertia.
Toyota GT-One 1999: small balance of performance changes to fit correctly with LMP900 cars.
IndyCar & Ford Fusion: increased AI tyre wear to better match player on ovals, making pitting and strategy similar.
Improved AI tyres for Ford MKIV, Lotus 40, Ferrari 365 GTB Competizione, and Mercedes-Benz 300 SL AMG
Group C and IMSA GTP: increased engine rotational inertia, new tyre carcass, and re-balance of adhesive vs ‘rip grip’. Bump Stop lengths also reviewed, as was lift:drag ratio on all cars. Fuel consumptions also addressed.
Group C cars: adjusted FFB for latest changes to tyres. Fixed rain tyre being faster than the slick.
GT3 Soft Slicks: tweaks to temperature operating window to broaden their range, mainly fixing their poor performance in cold conditions.
Small HP balance adjustments to Bentley, Cadillac ATS, and Ferrari GT3 cars.
Added 5 litres to fuel capacity to Aston Martin V12 Vantage GT3, Porsche 911 GT3, and BMW Z4 GT3. This ensures they can do a 90-minute race/fuel-run with the rest of the GT3 cars.
GTE Class: improved the rolling resistance of AI tyres to better match player speeds.
Fine-tuned fuel estimates for LMP1, GT3, GT4, and turbo cars.
Rallycross: improved adhesive vs ‘rip grip’ to help stability of slides on RX tyres.
Altered side- and push-drafting.
Reduced drag penalty associated with aero damage, and also adjusted thresholds for AI to pit.
Corrected differing amounts of fuel between players in Fixed Setup races.
Shifted the aero drag centre towards the rear on a number of cars, fixing rear wing yaw effect.
Adjustments made to reduce in-air negative tilt of some vehicles.
Reduced the speed of slick tyres in the rain.
Increased rain tyre heating for player cars.
Reduced heating on touring car rain tyres.
Reduced base wear on slick-based rain tyres.
Fixed issue that de-calibrated wear on some tyres.
Gameplay
Driver helmet now correctly shown in Helmet View camera.
Improved results of simulated career sessions. Randomness reduced by enhanced focus on performance and driver skill. Qualifying-to-race grid positioning will now more closely match results when not being simulated.
Improved an issue where changing track in Multiplayer to one with a smaller grid size limited entry to the lobby, causing some players to spawn under the track.
Career - Group A: changed the date of Round 1 for the PA Final race at Bathurst so that the weekend no longer takes place during snow season.
Adjusted ambiguous spotter logic calculating probabilities remaining to take Joker Lap in RX.
Fix to ignore other classes for cut-track penalties in multiclass races.
Corrected the player having control of the car before the 'manual control' handover at the start of Formation Laps.
Resolved Competitive Racing License not disabling if Flag / Penalties are disabled.
Fix for Player not automatically getting correct tyres when pitting on default pit strategy.
Fix for players receiving speed limit penalties in the pits when the auto-speed limiter is engaged.
Turned headlights off when the car is in a ghosted state.
Issues relating to Join In Progress and Spectators for Rolling Starts resolved.
Improved formation laps: leader now slows down earlier in order to allow the rest of the field to catch up during the the switch from Formation Lap to Rolling Start.
Improvement to prevent players being able to drive in Community Events with DLC cars, when they don't own the DLC.
All vehicles are now permitted to use Kart tracks for Private Testing.
Fixed remaining race time calculation for the end of session simulation.
Resolved an exploit for Tuning Setups being applied to fixed setup Community Events.
Radical and Light Sports slick tyres: adjusted the range of ideal temperature to reduce difficulty of controlling car while the tyres are warming up.
Fixed the Lotus 38 and Lotus 56 being slow at Indy Oval.
Added sound for penalty HUD messages.
Tuning of cut track ‘tweakers’ following Update 3 feedback. This now reduces the amount of calculated slow down time required following track limit breaches.
Resolved an exploit where players could enable driving aids that are not allowed in Time Trial and Community Events.
Improved an issue where the AI, taking over control of the car when setting the 'Swap Driver' option to ON in the ICM, would not pit.
Resolved the issue where the Tuning Setup would reset to default after player attained a personal best time and then restarted the session.
Corrected the Pit Stop Estimate time not being calculated for RX cars.
Improved poor sounds of high/fast revving engines.
Added Sampala track to Private Testing mode.
Stability improvement when the admin of an Online Championship assigned any car to a player through a DLC-car class.
Fix for player not joining a lobby when accepting an invite whilst on Esports screen.
Removed 'Randomize All Cars' button in Online Championship when using Kart tracks.
Removed penalties accrued by player due to others retiring and spectating during the formation lap.
Resolved the skipping of a Career Round if player joined and completed an Online Championship race whilst their Career Championship was active.
Corrected car stalling whilst being held in pit box due to other cars passing, despite clutch pedal being pressed.
Fixed an exploit where the player could become immune to penalties when ghosted in multiplayer.
Fix for 'Invite Only' trophy unlocking after DLC installed and a new Career started.
Improvements for when players ‘Join In Progress’ into a session.
Added pit speed limiter to cars from which it was previously missing.
Resolved rare instances where incorrect starting grid positions were assigned to players.
Corrected issue where left-sided pitstops were causing parts of the vehicle chassis to flip.
Improved an issue where ‘return to position penalties’ were allocated based on overall position, and not class position.
Corrected an issue where Livetrack and weather was not correctly syncing across online races.
Refined an issue where fuel level appeared white despite not being enough to complete a session on-track without refueling.
Improvements to the cut-track penalty system now takes into account crashed, pitted, and other class opponents in timed races.
Corrected behaviour to prevent Online Reputation Safety Rank increasing when there are no opponents on-track.
Fixed an issue where pit crew would freeze during a fuel-only pitstop.
Added ‘automatic by weather' choice to the pitstop strategy menu. Crew will now change tyres if they are deemed unsuitable for the weather.
Polished an audio issue where pit-crew animations and sounds were not in sync on shorter pit-stops.
Resolved an issue where, during an RX Lites career, in Q2, the HUD would display incorrect info.
Corrected an issue where points were not being awarded to each class in a multiclass race for fastest qualifying lap.
Fixed an issue where a player would incorrectly receive a time penalty when hit by another player during the formation lap.
Stability improvement when crossing the finish line in multiplayer races.
Resolved a Rare ‘hang’ caused by crashing into AI during the warm-up lap.
AI
Brands Hatch GP: slowed AI lap times by about 2 seconds based on player feedback.
Brno: new AI alternate start line to improve first lap racing.
Catalunya GP and Catalunya National: improved AI alternate start lines to improve their race starts.
Daytona: updated AI. Added missing pit-path corridors to improve pit entry speeds. New alternate start-path to clean up contact at the start.
Daytona Road Circuit: reduced AI speeds coming off the oval into Turn 1 and other general changes to improve lap performance. New AI alternate start line to improve first lap performance.
Daytona Tri Oval: Implemeneted AI pit lane path to prevent the AI from hitting the pit wall , and improved pit entry and exit merges. Tweaked AI line at the Kink to prevent them from lifting slightly in stock cars. Adjusted inner corridors on the banked corner to prevent AI banking when racing side-by-side.
Dirtfish Mill Run: updated AI corridors.
Dubai Autodrome: new AI alternate start line to improve first lap racing.
Dubai International: new AI dry racing line for better consistency.
Fuji: new alternate AI start line to fix inappropriate merging from Formation Lap to Rolling Start phase.
Hockenheim: new alternate AI start lines and AI improvements.
Imola: new alternate start line to improve AI at race starts, and adjustments to AI cornering speeds.
Indianapolis: added an alternate starting path for AI to improve rolling starts.
Laguna Seca: new AI alternate start line to clean-up race starts. Slowed the AI speed on the pit lane exit at the inside of Turn 1 to better match player’s speed.
Le Mans: slowed the AI alternate start line in Ford Chicane as previously, cars were getting loose when the race went green on rolling starts.
Long Beach: adjusted AI cornering speeds to improve their lap times.
Monza GP: new AI start line to clean-up race starts. New AI pit lane path to fix cars going off into the gravel after the chicane. General improvement to AI speeds through the lap to make them faster based on player feedback. Also improved AI setups for GT1 cars to fix them getting loose through the Parabolica.
Nordschleife Stage 3: turned down the AI speed in Pflanzgarten 'jump' (both layouts) to prevent AI going off.
Nurburgring GP: new AI alternate start line to improve race starts. Reduced AI speed in the Schumacher Esses, and increased entrance speed in the previous 180-degree corner.
Rouen GP: improved AI pit entry speed to stop them going in too fast.
Sakitto GP: new AI dry racing line for better consistency, and new alternate start line to improve race starts.
Silverstone GP: new pit path to resolve issue with AI driving off the track after Turn 2.
Snetterton: new alternate start line to improve race starts.
Sugo: new alternate start line to clean-up race starts, and adjusted AI speed through Turn 6 and final turn.
Texas Oval: resolved an issue where AI could hit the pit wall.
Texas Motor Speedway Road Course: new AI alternate start line to improve race starts.
Watkins Glen: new AI line and alternate start line to improve AI competitiveness and general cornering behaviour.
Willow Springs: fixed AI speeds into final turn.
Zhuhai: new AI racing line to improve pace and consistency.
Fixed an issue where the AI was not affected by aero damage.
Improved AI aggression.
Improved AI behavior on ovals. Improved how aggressively AI change lanes in order to reduce contact and improve racing.
Improved when AI use KERS/boosts as previously they weren’t using it on some straights when they should/could have.
Improved the timing of AI pulling out of slipstream when overtaking.
Improved AI whilst passing slow cars, or when trying to give back positions.
Various improvements to AI logic for avoiding danger, as well as overtaking.
Slow or lapped AI cars now allow more room for overtaking cars, improving multi-class racing and AI lapping / passing slow cars.
Improved AI tyre wear to better match player experience.
Corrected AI behaviour when pulling over due to damage.
Improved AI pit exit speeds to fix AI ramming the player on pit lane exit.
Improved AI behaviour and speed on cool-down lap.
Improved rare cases of AI swerving during pre-race laps causing occasional instability.
Improved AI mandatory pit stop logic to avoid too many stops in fluctuating weather conditions.
Improved AI tyre choice in light rain conditions, and their tyre selection in changing conditions.
Improved AI rain speed, reduced their rolling drag with saturation, improved AI throttle application on corner exit and braking on corner entry in the rain to obtain better balance.
Improved AI in snow conditions.
Improved AI path finding off-road.
Improved AI behaviour when being forced into situations where reversing is necessary.
Improved AI drivability at tighter tracks in the Ford Bronco ‘Brocky’.
Dallara IL-12 Oval: adjusted AI top speeds, rolling resistance, load sensitivity, and total grip to balance with other changes, and reduce corner entry speed at Indy to better match players’ speeds.
Ford Fusion: given the AI the tallest final drive ratio at Daytona to fix them bouncing off the rev limiter while in the draft.
LMP3 cars: new tyres for the AI in order to better tune their rolling resistance.
Hardware
Corrected Controller/Wheel setups getting reset if control type is altered and game is restarted.
Madness Engine
Improved Livetrack 3.0 performance.
Various stability improvement .
Refined a stuttering problem caused when vehicles take damage.
This is a game that the soft tires last patch work perfectly and as they should, This patch? Totally changed them and now they are working as the majority of us thought they would ...what one is right? It's like there's no consistency
- 28,470
- Windsor, Ontario, Canada
- Johnnypenso
Incorrect. Those are only two examples. There are many, many more. Patch notes for AC stretch well into the hundreds of lines in the first year. If you're that bugged about it maybe you can pull out all the patch notes and add up the lines to see who wins. But characterizing AC as somehow having less bugs and fixes is probably incorrect, given the size and scope of the game especially, which was much smaller. AC was also a 12 person team at the time, PCars was and is much bigger and more ambitious. Perhaps you'd prefer a much smaller game with far less content, no weather, no dynamic time, no LiveTrack and a whole host of other features missing. Simpler game, easier to code. If so, I hear AC is pretty cheap right now.
Harry Freq
(Banned)
- 486
- United Kingdom
AC is amazing mate! Great physics probably class leading (not played iRacing) and class leading FFB. You should check it out. Make sure you have a wheel for it though.
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