Red Bull Ring, Volkswagen Scirroco GT24...

[scholesy1899]

I spent 40 minutes the other day for 1 race, then got booted at the start. lol not sure why, but it's a struggle with this one.


I was in a race last night and got a message from @SCClockDr , wondering why he decided to say high a that time. So I raced my race with the other two cars, both were dirty drivers, but one in a yellow car especially naughty. No such thing as any type of clean pass. We rammed each other, pushed each other in the sand, over and over. I got the penalties 8 out of 10 times, even when he hit me from the rear in turn two. At this point I exited the race, deciding this clown wasn't worth boiling blood. I re entered again, wind up in the same room and see @SCClockDr, along with the same few guys that I had been racing with? But then he suddenly disappeared. So from my perspective we NEVER raced in the same race.

Did you race with me DR?

That is extremely weird.

I think that has happened to me, almost like two different races going on in the same (room) match up.

 

[Fredzy]

I'll say I completed 3 or 4 races all weekend, spent maybe 45 mins total trying to get it? Of course I just browsed the web and Facebook in that time, but geeze I'd rather have been driving.

The worst was one room with a very belligerent, dirty driver who started on pole both races. Couldn't get past him first race due to his adept dirty driving abilities. Finally got far enough past him on lap 1 T2, he was history and I was off to victory. A few turns later - BANG - connection dropped.

 

[SCClockDr]

I spent 40 minutes the other day for 1 race, then got booted at the start. lol not sure why, but it's a struggle with this one.


I was in a race last night and got a message from @SCClockDr , wondering why he decided to say high a that time. So I raced my race with the other two cars, both were dirty drivers, but one in a yellow car especially naughty. No such thing as any type of clean pass. We rammed each other, pushed each other in the sand, over and over. I got the penalties 8 out of 10 times, even when he hit me from the rear in turn two. At this point I exited the race, deciding this clown wasn't worth boiling blood. I re entered again, wind up in the same room and see @SCClockDr, along with the same few guys that I had been racing with? But then he suddenly disappeared. So from my perspective we NEVER raced in the same race.

Did you race with me DR?

That is extremely weird.

I saw you get punted & strike the turn 2 wall then you were gone. When I joined you were the one I was brought to via the glasses icon. There were 7 or 8 in the room for the race. Your offender may have been invisible to me, the guy I saw in second looked like he followed the racing line.

 

[SCClockDr]

I am seeing a lot of wins netting me 2nd position payouts with the first member in the room list being the designated winner regardless of the finishing position. Racing from last to first & then seeing myself drop into 2nd is quite frustrating.
On a happier note I ran a 1:39.### first lap from a #2 start with a 4:44.572 for the race. Both personal bests.

 

[DoisEM1]

My problem exactly this weekend waiting in about 20/30m for races finding full rooms but races are 5/6 people in it.
My bests so for are 1.38.xxx on first lap in race starting from 1st, 1.32.4xx best lap and a 4.44.6xx for the race. I try to keep in line most of time, going wide to avoid other cars and penaltis or in over braking for the corners. This quick match races are lots of fun too bad they keep giving us the 3 laps races, 7 would be optimal.

 

[wedjim]

I am seeing a lot of wins netting me 2nd position payouts with the first member in the room list being the designated winner regardless of the finishing position. Racing from last to first & then seeing myself drop into 2nd is quite frustrating.
On a happier note I ran a 1:39.### first lap from a #2 start with a 4:44.572 for the race. Both personal bests.

Amazing, that race for me there were 3 cars. PD servers must be bonkers, lol.

I have also been paid 2nd for wins on several occasions, this and the Megane series. It happened 3 times in a row once, so I stopped and let one car pass me to see if finishing second would net me first...nope, 3rd.
It really hurts when you have been struggling to passed one of the major hacks, then get 2nd after getting it done.

Oh well, I'm usually buying duplicate cars now to be able to collect more money for cars I don't need anyway. rofl

 

[graveltrap]

New best run and race lap 4:41.954 with a 1:31.618 lights to flag no dramas...Actually a decent night of racing all in all, podiums all the way with more wins than anything else. It was a good room not much stupid stuff going on

Personally they got the duration right with around 6 minutes at the Nurburgring event, one more lap at the Red Bull Ring would be perfect. I am so used to this sort of time as I also race RC cars (badly)

New engine build making 409 BHP, it's even more power limited as well at 83.4% but seems to work with the gearbox a bit better more revs in the build gave me the ability to use a shorter 6th gear

No oil, Stage 3, racing exhaust, sports cat, High RPM turbo. Checking back this looks to be the same build as @SCClockDr but I've had to limit a little more for some reason?!

Gearbox is pretty much what @Aussie_HSV did...Excellent work BTW, gave me a better insight on how to deal with transmissions without the flip.

Reset to default, set FD to 3.000, max speed 162

1) 3.625
2) 2.600
3) 2.060
4) 1.700
5) 1.416
6) 1.232

Will still keep messing with the box just a little fine tuning but it's close now

I made a coupe of small changes to chassis setup as well, front compression And rear extension to 4, camber to 2.7

Diff also got played with as well with initial now set to 14

All the changes made should lead to more understeer but the car drives better for it pretty happy now, so I'll create a proper setup when I fire the laptop up again The car is now at 413.6 miles for reference...

 

[wedjim]

I have to amend my earlier post, saying turn two it was best to jump the yellow block inside the turn. Apparently I got away with it several times due to ride hieght and a bit of luck. Lately it hasn't gone so well. I'm having much more consistent success with right side tires touching the curb rolling while off throttle, accelerating in 2nd gear.


It seems this QM is similar to others, clean starts are faster, but a bit more severe if you don't get a clean start then previous ones. If someone fast gets a clean start and you don't, the battle is for second.

I had a first lap of 2:18.xxx yesterday, let's just say it wasn't pretty.

 

[wedjim]

@graveltrap , glad to hear you've done some RC car racing, once full size cars got too expensive for me, RC became my passion. Of course, then that became too expensive at the level I raced. lol

But your times are awesome! I have been tinkering but haven't found more speed, although I have gotten more consistent at the same speed.

About to get online tonight and see what I can do.

 

[graveltrap]

Those sort of runs only occur from a clean front row start What was really strange is that I only picked up two penalties all night, 3 second at T2 and 10 seconds at T3 really early braking from a slow car, which I couldn't do much about and I rear ended it at a fair rate of knots My bad!!

I suspect it's now more me getting to grips with the track than changes in setup, saying that I'm now much more sensitive to what the car is doing and what the wheel is telling me so I am tinkering to stop the things I don't like, can't seem to stop the outside front from smoking though

 

[wedjim]

It is odd that the left front and right rear smoke around hard corners. I hear the engine spool up, under heavy throttle, knowing the front tire must be spinning, look up at the screen and see the OUTSIDE front tire is red and rear is orange.

I tried softer and softer front sway bars thinking allowing more suspension roll SHOULD keep both front tires planted better. Nothing. Even all the way down at 1/3...So I went to sway bars set at 7/7, which seems to be the best lap times and consistent handling for me.

As you said, seems like most of the time comes from driving once the set up is reasonable. I've had a good 1:32 lap going and overshot the entrance to the final turn before the straight and ended up with a 1:33.0xx. Definitely a finesse car, along with a finesse track.

 

[graveltrap]

Transmission bug is fixed!! Not sure if that's good or a bad thing, but it does mean more track time

I've noticed a pause in the engine response at times, I think this is from the wheels regaining traction after a bit of slip. Its not a huge flair in revs feels almost normal then a short pause or even a small decrease in revolutions and everything is back to working properly, it is probably costing some time.

This could well be something with the diff settings it gets worse the lower the acceleration setting which is why I altered the initial setting. It usually occurs at the top end of the rev range, anyone else experience such a thing?


The track is defiantly about finesse, the fast runs are harder to come by for sure! I had a proper good start to the evening last night, getting good grid slots and hitting fast laps, then I went of the boil and slowed down I seem to of alter my braking positions during the course of the night, maybe something to do with running with slower cars and not wanting to hit them, but it carried over when I had clear track ahead

 

[jimmywizz]

loving this event! just need to be patient getting into a stable room. once I'm in been having some great racing, generally if I get a top 4 starting position the racing is clean, but if I'm back of the pack I bide my time on lap one trying to keep out of the mess, then break free lap 2 and push for podium in lap 3. mid 1.33's seem to be enough to get a top 3 finish.

 

[graveltrap]

Your tag rings a bell I think we raced last night...

Uploaded my full tune to GTP Database here still with the 1.17 gearbox, I doubt I will be able to improve it, it just drops right into the power band with the way I drive the lap

Lapiz Blue from the VW VGT looks well on this car

[edit]
Even with a flipped transmission it's still a second gear start it's also still very smokey

Ran into one of the fast Japanese guys for the first time 4:38 race time with sub 1:31 laps rather impressive! All I could figure out from the replay was it was a standard turbo engine build...

[/edit]

 

[SCClockDr]

Here is an image of the Spread sheet I've been working on whilst tuning up a competitive car for this event. It is complete through 10 entrants. The events with more entrants are still incomplete mostly due to dropouts. I've only managed 1 16 participant race that finished with the full 16.

Please feel free to PM me with your data if it fills the blanks or conflicts with my data. It assumes a 200% login bonus is in effect.

This Chart now obsolete!

 

[graveltrap]

It wouldn't let me play tonight So I got to tinkering off line...

Standard turbo build, flipped gearbox and a altered suspension set up netted my best lap round this place in a Sirocco GT24

Replay attached if anyone is interested in a ghost to chase when quick match won't let you in...

 

[wedjim]

What am I missing with the term, "flipped gearbox?"

I tried some different set ups offline last night, now that the trans setting stay after the update. It doesn't seem like it made a big difference in time, but it certainly changes the cars feel. My best lap is a 1:32.1xx, but can't even duplicate it for some reason. Getting good 1:32.xxx laps on a regular basis though, lots of low 1:32's with anything comfortable, regardless of how different the set up.
Making the car slower is easy though, haha.

Wheelspin and corner entry speed are what I'm tinkering with now. Everything else feels like it's reached its limits for me.

 

[SCClockDr]

What am I missing with the term, "flipped gearbox?"

1. Slide the Final all the way to the right.
2. Slide the speed all the way to the left.
3. Slide the Final to your desired ratio.
4. Tweak the individual gears to suit.

That is a "flipped gearbox" as I understand it.

 

[Aussie_HSV]

I haven't done anything more yet, but I'm hoping to give it a good run on the weekend.

When I flip I tend to do step 4 first, then finish with step 3.

A very basic flip example for me would be:
Set Final about 3/4 along scale.
Set Max.Speed to min.
Then gears. (example for 5 gears)
1st full left
2nd 1/4 along scale
3rd half way
4th 3/4 along scale
5th full right
Then reduce Final back down to around 1/4 or 1/3 along scale.

Take it for a run and see how top speed fairs on longest straight.
Inevitably I'll shuffle all those settings around to suit the track better.
But never move the Max. Speed or you'll lose the flip.

 

[wedjim]

1. Slide the Final all the way to the right.
2. Slide the speed all the way to the left.
3. Slide the Final to your desired ratio.
4. Tweak the individual gears to suit.

That is a "flipped gearbox" as I understand it.

Ahhh, I suspected it might be that, but was hoping for some magic.

I got some better results by using 149 max speed, before setting the individual gears. Using a 2:95 final and a 3:50.6 first gear for less wheel spin at the launch and no intermittent bog from 2nd gear starts at the wrong rpm. I also have a lot more room to tweak FD and top gear.

I built a bright green car out of bordom today after getting the boot a bunch of times. Only 3 little men lit up and still gave me a hard time.


I also keep getting rear ended in turn 1 and getting the 5 sec penalty for it. Going to have to start going wide at the start to minimize it.

 

[graveltrap]

The only bog I get from second gear start is the shift to third as the wheels regain traction I generally pick up a few places off the line now, the smoke screen may help

I take the first corner in a cautious manner, inside line early braking if I am in the pack the places you loses are gained back again once the penalties kick in I now have confidence in my ability to fight through the field

I don't get anywhere near as many penalties now for some reason, I do see others hitting my car and picking them up though. My car positioning on the track is much better now I think and I try to avoid any contact at all!

Shame I don't have the ability to capture video, more use than attaching replay files as it's easy to view and doesn't require anyone else to do anything...

Flipped transmission for me is

1) Set to default.
2) Set FD to shortest ratio.
3) Set max speed to 112mph.
4) Set 1st to tallest ratio.
5) Set 6th to shortest ratio.
6) Set spread of other gears between 1st and 6th.
7) Set FD for max speed (test and adjust as required).
8) Adjust gear spread 2nd to 5th (test and tune).

It's just a quick way to get a working box with a tall first gear, with the Scirroco I set 2nd for the start

I'll post my gearbox for the standard turbo engine when I switch the PS3 on for reference, it needs a bit more optimisation though

 

[SCClockDr]

The only bog I get from second gear start is the shift to third as the wheels regain traction I generally pick up a few places off the line now, the smoke screen may help

I hold 2nd for a few 10th's more, then the 3rd bog feels more like a kart clutch.

I take the first corner in a cautious manner, inside line early braking if I am in the pack the places you loses are gained back again once the penalties kick in I now have confidence in my ability to fight through the field

I don't get anywhere near as many penalties now for some reason, I do see others hitting my car and picking them up though. My car positioning on the track is much better now I think and I try to avoid any contact at all!

Now I've got the suspension about where I like, the bangers are their own victims mostly. The car seems more stable and less susceptible to external inputs. I am drifting a touch in 3 - 8 especially 7 & 8. Does not leave much to bang when I'm ghosted.
My biggest vulnerability seems to be side pushing forcing me off the tarmac, I've been too stubborn to yield and with 50DF on the rear the car can be moved. I'm going to try a temp downshift at full throttle to see if I ghost and induce the pusher to merge and find the grass/sand for themselves.

Shame I don't have the ability to capture video, more use than attaching replay files as it's easy to view and doesn't require anyone else to do anything...

I do and will make an attempt today. Missed some real kool 2 wheeling early on and one competitor going 2-3 cars in the air between 7 & 8 & then forgot to save that replay.

Flipped transmission for me is

1) Set to default.
2) Set FD to shortest ratio.
3) Set max speed to 112mph.
4) Set 1st to tallest ratio.
5) Set 6th to shortest ratio.
6) Set spread of other gears between 1st and 6th.
7) Set FD for max speed (test and adjust as required).
8) Adjust gear spread 2nd to 5th (test and tune).

It's just a quick way to get a working box with a tall first gear, with the Scirroco I set 2nd for the start

Thanks for the tip I'll try that on my test car next. It seems my normal flip is a tad different than flipping at lower Final ratios even when the gear ratios are adjusted to match the total ratio for the original flip. Could PD have some hidden variable that impacts what final you use to flip with? Hmmmm!

I'll post my gearbox for the standard turbo engine when I switch the PS3 on for reference, it needs a bit more optimization though

I am liking the car more as I get to know its needs better. About done fiddling with it and more concentrating on the driving to squeeze out those last few seconds.

 

[LoopyLye]

Nice tune WedJim, with a few tweeks i have made my first 1:32s today and made them a few times over

i notched the brakes up 1 each to 5-7
the springs up to 9.00 - 13.75
the camber reduced to 0.0 - 0.4
LSD 9/30/8

A great tune WedJim i touch 143mph before braking.

As mentioned earlier, it is frustrating watching folk gain by going wide around turn 1. They don't seem to gain at t2 thou even thou they try

 

[SCClockDr]

Nice tune WedJim, with a few tweeks i have made my first 1:32s today and made them a few times over

i notched the brakes up 1 each to 5-7
the springs up to 9.00 - 13.75
the camber reduced to 0.0 - 0.4
LSD 10/24/8

A great tune WedJim i touch 143mph before braking.

As mentioned earlier, it is frustrating watching folk gain by going wide around turn 1. They don't seem to gain at t2 thou even thou they try

Turn 1 wide is also slower than getting it right within the lines. The only + is avoiding the lap 1 scrum and as an escape when punted on entry.

 

[SCClockDr]

Just to note the Credit payout has significantly increased overnight. A 1st in an 8 member field now gleans 490,160 vs 306,860 Wed.

 

[graveltrap]

I noticed a track temp of 0 degrees C last night, didn't get to race no timer came up and the guys in the lobby looked to be in free run mode...

Looked to be a little misty as well from the lobby screen anyway!

Someone has been playing with settings I think

[edit]New car was rubbish online had to build the old one back up in the lobby

512,440 for winning a 9 car race [/edit]

 

[jlbmel]

I noticed a track temp of 0 degrees C last night, didn't get to race no timer came up and the guys in the lobby looked to be in free run mode...

Looked to be a little misty as well from the lobby screen anyway!

Someone has been playing with settings I think

[edit]New car was rubbish online had to build the old one back up in the lobby

512,440 for winning a 9 car race [/edit]

This happened many times in the Megane race event. These QM races have way too many bugs/glitches.

 

[SCClockDr]

Here is a video of one of my better attempts not my best however. I've since trashed the tune. 'Twas a bit too drifty and the gearbox was not optimum.

 

[wedjim]

Here is a video of one of my better attempts not my best however. I've since trashed the tune. 'Twas a bit too drifty and the gearbox was not optimum.

That was a nice run, you're definitely a couple tenths better than I am thru 2. Have to work on that, the video will help. I also want to try 0 Traction control. But it's tuff to be consistent on the starts with the controller....for me anyway.

 

[SCClockDr]

That was a nice run, you're definitely a couple tents better than I am thru 2. Have to work on that, the video will help. I also want to try 0 Traction control. But it's tuff to be consistent on the starts with the controller....for me anyway.

I use TC 0 & ABS 2 for aids. Brakes are 6/9. G27 wheel is my interface.