Refunded the game

[NICKname]

For a large portion of the playerbase we still got Liscense and mission to do.

Yeah, that's bonus content. With a game this linear, you complete the game when you've completed the career mode. When people say they've completed GTA V, for example, they're not talking about having done all the parachute jumps or whatever. That would be 100% completing the game, which is something the vast majority of players never do.

Oh yeah, and lots of online racing.

That's not even part of any progression at all. That's just online racing. And it costs €5-9 a month.

Unlike people with a lot of time and/or who get Gold on every mission/liscense on their first time, no, this game is not "complete" after 10 hours. For a large portion of the playerbase we still got Liscense and mission to do. Oh yeah, and lots of online racing.

No, that's the thing. You don't ever need to get gold on anything to complete this game. Bronze/3rd is always enough. You can definitely get bronze on your first try for anything. And a lot of menu books can be skipped entirely by simply buying the cars you need.

 

[sixty4half]

Yeah, this is Gran Turismo not GTA V. There is no storyline to beat here, only races and race like situations. Missions and tests all fit that definition. Like I said, you and I have a different definition of "complete" for this game.

You don't lay a foundation and do some frame work and say "I completed this house!"

That's a dumb analogy anyways. You really gonna tell me GTA V players dont do the Missions before considering the game complete. I've beat GTA V, dont pee on my leg and tell me its raining

 

[Batschisane52]

GT7 can be completed in less than 10 hours.

No, the Cafe Menues can be completed in less 10 hours...I know, that there is this theory out, that once they show you the final sequence(and they show you something like that after you are done with the cafe menues) you have also completed the game...but I disagree and wouldn't say that you have completed GT when you didn't make all the missions in gold, have all the license-tests in gold and didn't gold all the circuit experineces...

 

[mynameis66]

I guess we have different definitions of completed since there are new Daily Races every week and content updates are coming. Unlike people with a lot of time and/or who get Gold on every mission/liscense on their first time, no, this game is not "complete" after 10 hours. For a large portion of the playerbase we still got Liscense and mission to do. Oh yeah, and lots of online racing.

It's not fair to include daily races in that statement as some of us don't sub to psn,so we can't do the dailys

 

[sixty4half]

It's not fair to include daily races in that statement as some of us don't sub to psn,so we can't do the dailys

It's not fair to limit or censor my experience because you dont have psn

 

[mynameis66]

Thats not what I meant.Those that don't subscribe cant race the daily,nothing to do with censoring your experience.chill.

 

[NICKname]

Yeah, this is Gran Turismo not GTA V.

Analogy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There is no storyline to beat here, only races and race like situations.

There are 39 menu books you have to complete to get to the ending movie. You have to complete each menu book in a set order, none of them are optional, all of them have clear criteria for completion.

Missions and tests all fit that definition.

Except they're not a part of the requirements for completing the career mode, except for getting all bronze in National B and A.

Like I said, you and I have a different definition of "complete" for this game.

Yes, your definition of completing a game is equal to 100% completing a game. To most people, those are two seperate things. Partly because most people never 100% complete the games they play, but also because a big part of 100% completing a game is having to deal with bonus material that has little do to with the career modes themselves. Mission races and license tests are not a substitute for a decent career mode.

You don't lay a foundation and do some frame work and say "I completed this house!"

Yeah, this is Gran Turismo and not a house.

That's a dumb analogy anyways.

At least GTA V is also a video game.

You really gonna tell me GTA V players dont do the Missions before considering the game complete.

I don't know what that sentence means. You have to do the missions to complete the game. There are famously 69 of them, and after you've done all of them (in a more or less linear way) the credits roll. It's just like the 39 menu books in GT7. That's what most people consider completing GTA V. You could do all of the side missions to 100% complete the game, but the vast majority of people will never do that. Just like the mission races and IB/IA/S licenses in GT7.

 

[AmyUD06]

Anyone who`ve raced Red Rock knows better

Yeah. My go-to in GT2 was the '80s Tahiti Road race. Took less time and gave me cash in the intervals I needed (~250-300k if I remember right). But I've never owned every car in a GT game before, nor have I cared to.

 

[sixty4half]

So missions for one game count, but missions dont count when they are part of the game your trying to say you beat in 10 hours..... got it. You did a lot of mental gymnastics to explain a sentence that you dont know its meaning.

 

[breeminator]

I bought a disc copy, and can't quite bring myself to sell it, but probably should. The game is just stupid. Time trialling to test builds/tunes of cars pays out ZERO credits. But buying just one normal car and the upgrades is typically going to be, say, 300k - 600k credits. So you do, for example, the Pan-Am championship 3 times, taking about an hour, to get the credits to buy one car and its upgrades so you can get on with doing the thing you actually want to do. What is the point. I have done that championship about 20 times now, and am totally and utterly bored with it. It's the most stupid game concept ever. Microtransactions? I'm sorry, but while I'd like to have all the cars and upgrades to be able to actually start playing the game, I'm not paying thousands of pounds, the game is not tens of times better than every other game in the world.

I think I'll stop bothering even running it up once a day for the trash lottery tickets. I recorded everything I got from them for 2 weeks. Came to 8.6m per year, there are individual cars in the game that cost more than you get for running the game up every single day for a year and driving enough to get the ticket.

What is it about driving games that makes game makers want to adopt this stupid model? I can play Age of Empires, or Rocket League, for example, and I know it's a novel concept, but everything you need to play those games is available to you from the start! Amazing, you just install it, run it up, and start playing the game!

 

[ScottPuss20]

I didn't exactly refund my PS4 copy of Assetto Corsa but I did sell it because it didn't offer enough for me at the time. A few years later I bought it on PC, then bought ACC on PS4 and now PS5. You can come back to a game that you didn't originally like if it adds enough new and interesting content.

 

[Imari]

So missions for one game count, but missions dont count when they are part of the game your trying to say you beat in 10 hours..... got it. You did a lot of mental gymnastics to explain a sentence that you dont know its meaning.

Just because something is called a "mission" doesn't mean it's functionally equivalent in two different games. In GTAV Story Missions are on the critical path to completion. In GT7 Missions are not.

You can call them Extra Zoomie Play Times if you want, and it doesn't change the fact that they're not on the critical path. If Polyphony wanted them to be required for completion then they'd have put a Cafe Book in for them.

You're doing a lot of mental gymnastics to show how you don't understand that things with the same name can be different.

 

[NICKname]

So missions for one game count, but missions dont count when they are part of the game your trying to say you beat in 10 hours..... got it. You did a lot of mental gymnastics to explain a sentence that you dont know its meaning.

What an absolutely absurd comment. Missions in GTA V are very obviously part of the career/story mode, and have the same function as the menu books in GT7. Mission races in GT7 are bonus content, comparable to hidden packages/strangers and freaks/street races in GTA V. Obviously the story missions in GTA V have nothing do to with the mission races in GT7, just because they're both called missions that does not mean they're both part of the career mode.

But you know this, you're just being disingenuous. As @Imari said, it doesn't matter what these events are called and it's clear what their functions are in their respective games. Ignoring that is you performing mental gymnastics yourself.

 

[Sn1per666]

No, the Cafe Menues can be completed in less 10 hours...I know, that there is this theory out, that once they show you the final sequence(and they show you something like that after you are done with the cafe menues) you have also completed the game...but I disagree and wouldn't say that you have completed GT when you didn't make all the missions in gold, have all the license-tests in gold and didn't gold all the circuit experineces...

Problem is that most of the missions and all of the license tests are not races. The circuit experiences are nothing but time trials. This is a racing game and it has a pitiful amount of races compared to past GT's and nearly every racing game on the market. Saying that you need to do every little thing in the game before it's completed is like saying you haven't completed GTA until you've found every hidden package.

 

[SG_86]

I have been playing Gran Turismo since 4

But Gran Turismo 7 felt nostalgic to me and a kind of disappointment.

- FFB on my Logitech G923 Trueforce is completely different than Gran Turismo Sport

- Spin Roulettes always give me the least amount of credits

- The car list is not what I was expecting

- When I saw Gran Turismo Sophy I was like: Yes finally a challenge but no AI is dumb as always



With this inaccuracies doesn't mean I hate the game or i don't like the game. Is still enjoy playing Gran Turismo 7 but i hope PD will improve the game with future updates

 

[sixty4half]

I'm the one being disingenuous when there are entire sections of the game you choose to arbitrarily ignore to fit your definition of complete.

And yes, this game needs some improvements

 

[NICKname]

I'm the one being disingenuous when there are entire sections of the game you choose to arbitrarily ignore to fit your definition of complete.

And yes, this game needs some improvements

Since I'm clearly not doing that, you indeed are the one being disingenuous. It's neither arbitrary nor my own definition of completing a game. I've explained to you in length why many people consider completing a game's linear career mode to be the act of completing that game. You've even got to read comments from people other than myself who think that. Don't pretend like that didn't happen.

 

[RichiPuppy]

An opinion of when a game is complete is just that, an opinion. It is not objective. What is disingenuous is telling someone else they should have that opinion too.

 

[sixty4half]

An opinion of when a game is complete is just that, an opinion. It is not objective. What is disingenuous is telling someone else they should have that opinion too.

I'm the one who has repeatedly said that "our definition is different." I'm not the one saying other people are wrong, just that they are using their opinion of where a game ends to justify a full refund on a game they say they completed. Seems hypocritical

 

[TwentyValve]

Just going to leave this here:

Definition of COMPLETE

having all necessary parts, elements, or steps; containing all essential amino acids; total, absolute… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

 

[Jewel Runner]

How did you get on?

Sorry for the late reply. No luck. Got hit with lots of generic questions about what error messages I was seeing etc. I elaborated fully on what was wrong with everything including the lies we were fed but think the Sony representative was trolling me as I got hit with the same generic questions again.

 

[thehonestjock]

Sorry for the late reply. No luck. Got hit with lots of generic questions about what error messages I was seeing etc. I elaborated fully on what was wrong with everything including the lies we were fed but think the Sony representative was trolling me as I got hit with the same generic questions again.

They asked me the same and after I answered I got the first refusal email, then I replied with the email in the OP and they refunded 👍

 

[Ghostfan93]

Yeah I got everything done now the game collects dust. I did menu books, every race in world circuits, missions, and all license gold. I refuse to do the circuit experiences as they are just to hard for me to do.

 

[Jewel Runner]

They asked me the same and after I answered I got the first refusal email, then I replied with the email in the OP and they refunded 👍

Thanks. I just copied and pasted it and sent it so will see again.

 

[Jewel Runner]

No luck even after including that message. They just keep saying the same thing, to send them a video. So I'm back playing the game to try and get my money's worth. At least the physics are fixed.

 

[Bosso]

Yeah I got everything done now the game collects dust. I did menu books, every race in world circuits, missions, and all license gold. I refuse to do the circuit experiences as they are just to hard for me to do

You should honestly give it a go. You don't even need a wheel or manual to complete them with gold. Once you 'break through' the knowledge of racing lines and throttle control, it really is fun. Circuit experience is the best part of this game atm.

 

[mattikake]

Believe it or not, the problem isn't developers or publishers, the problem is the law. This protects these people and allows them to do and exploit whatever they like because the games industry has special dispensation.

Under normal consumer law and distance selling (consumer contracts regulations) a product must be sold as advertised and if the product cannot be examined by the customer before sale (distance selling), a full and unconditional refund must be offered within 14 days, that can be for any reason the customer chooses... except for computer games.

Computer games HAD, past tense, an issue with being copied and pirated. If you had a copy of a game, you could sell it as many times as you liked. With digital sites and online ID'S this is no longer possible. But how can you test if a doneloadable product is as advertised without downloading first? Companies like Sony are continually hiding behind these laws.

Change the law, you Change the way these companies behave. You will also change how devs and publishers release products, they will have to be "fit for sale" at release.

 

[Sasek]

This game is totally lacking in content. I really don't know what's so difficult to add more races to the game. Many track configurations are not used at all in single player experience. I don't have much time to play myself, because I have family and kids, and yet I was able to finish all the races, events and missions, and at this point there is nothing new for me. Multiplayer and Sport mode is as an occasional trip for me. I was buying GT7 for single player in mind and I want a lot of more new content... I'm slowly getting bored of doing the same races, or so I would feel there was a purpose in the game.