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Original race cars based on actual cars is staple of GT series, you know. Do people even remember those LM Edition/Race Cars? đź’ˇ
Reimagined Group B Rally Cars
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Tired Tyres
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You mean the cars I have never driven because they are fake you mean?
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A sim is about simulating anything. The driving physics are what are simulated here, not the design of the cars.
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Real things yes. Made up stuff. No.
You cannot simulate anything if it has no basis in reality.
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@Tired Tyres Although I understand your point and up to a point I agree, the made up stuff we are discussing here is cars wich are basically RM´ed to rally spec.
They start from a real world vehicle base so it is not like the entirely fictional Vision GT vehicles. In a way it is more possible to simulate this then the R390 GT1 you have on your thumbnail, that PD probably never had the oportunity to drive or conduct tests on
They start from a real world vehicle base so it is not like the entirely fictional Vision GT vehicles. In a way it is more possible to simulate this then the R390 GT1 you have on your thumbnail, that PD probably never had the oportunity to drive or conduct tests on
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You can. You could invent your own physics and simulate them if you wanted to. Simulation is simply about something that replicates something else.
Anyway, my main point is that the physics are what are simulated in GT6, not car design. They could be anything inside or outside reality.
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It is always better to have all the licenses for the real cars and the real series. On a GT game with such strong FIA connections it is even strange that doesn´t happen.
But that´s beside the point of this thread. It´s the uniqueness of creating Modern day Versions of Group B cars that is being discussed and the possibilites it may offer for the players.
But that´s beside the point of this thread. It´s the uniqueness of creating Modern day Versions of Group B cars that is being discussed and the possibilites it may offer for the players.
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1. My, so many people hung up with custom fantasy cars.
2. So I couldn't find a rendering of a Group B Camaro. So I made a quickie using the Sunoco livery that Ron Fellows ran in Trans Am.
2. So I couldn't find a rendering of a Group B Camaro. So I made a quickie using the Sunoco livery that Ron Fellows ran in Trans Am.
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These do have a basis in reality, though. Really, it's no different than using the modifications in GT6 to turn the performance up on existing models.
I totally agree when it comes to things like the ridiculous rolling peacock that is the SRT VGT, with "technologies that haven't been invented yet", but an Alfa 4C turned into a GT3-spec car? My desire for real cars is outweighed by how badly I wish Alfa would make something like that.
That being said, I'm very confused as to why GTS doesn't include cars that do have real-world racing versions, like the C7.R Vette.
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It's possible, if far-fetched, that PD and the FIA collaborated and devised a set of rules for the cars that are built specifically for GT Sport.These do have a basis in reality, though. Really, it's no different than using the modifications in GT6 to turn the performance up on existing models.
I totally agree when it comes to things like the ridiculous rolling peacock that is the SRT VGT, with "technologies that haven't been invented yet", but an Alfa 4C turned into a GT3-spec car? My desire for real cars is outweighed by how badly I wish Alfa would make something like that.
That being said, I'm very confused as to why GTS doesn't include cars that do have real-world racing versions, like the C7.R Vette.
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In the case of the GT3 cars there´s no need for a PD/FIA collaboration. The rulebook with all the modifications permitted and dimensions allowed is available to anyone who wants to see it. If PD used it then the feasibility is there.
In the case of the Group B cars it gets a bit more vague. If PD used the 1986 rulebook, pratically everything is permitted as long as 200 homologation units were produced. Which in this case don´t seem to be a limitation
In the case of the Group B cars it gets a bit more vague. If PD used the 1986 rulebook, pratically everything is permitted as long as 200 homologation units were produced. Which in this case don´t seem to be a limitation
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Oh boy, and I remember when people started suggesting that PD should fit VGT's to existing rulebooks, or create racing cars that fit certain regulations, like SMS did with PCars.
Now that PD does it there's people complaining about it... Logic isn't the strongest point of some people.
Now that PD does it there's people complaining about it... Logic isn't the strongest point of some people.
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They don't have to pay licensing fees and can make a car which fits with the other GT3 spec machines (there's no GT3 Corvette from Chevrolet, only the Callaway Competition cars, which would need another license).
I love this approach, not only because I was always a fan of GT's "LM" cars, they also look gorgeous and give us much more cars than reality offers. I mean, look at the Alfa, Jag and Toyota, can't deny that they're sexy as youknowwhatwordshouldbehere.
EDIT. Same goes for the rally cars of course, that Mustang gave me weird, unexpected feelings in my lower body regions.
Can the mustang crash into the crowd on rally stages
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PD never disappoints when it comes to their fantasy race cars. The more the merrier I say! I'd love to see the cars from here make an appearance too (https://www.carwow.co.uk/blog/modern-day-rally-cars-wed-like-to-see).
Shame that the rally track still looks like a simple flat surface with just a reduced grip and gravel texture on top though. Oh well at least there's Dirt Rally.
Shame that the rally track still looks like a simple flat surface with just a reduced grip and gravel texture on top though. Oh well at least there's Dirt Rally.
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Loose surface physics is pretty difficult. We haven't even cracked all aspects of normal road physics yet in the most advanced sims. I don't think there is a game out there that does both road and rally well. So for now at least, it's better if we keep them separate. GT's rally could be better though, no doubt about it.
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1. My, so many people hung up with custom fantasy cars.
2. So I couldn't find a rendering of a Group B Camaro. So I made a quickie using the Sunoco livery that Ron Fellows ran in Trans Am.
Wow that's actually nice. 
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This.I totally agree when it comes to things like the ridiculous rolling peacock that is the SRT VGT, with "technologies that haven't been invented yet", but an Alfa 4C turned into a GT3-spec car? My desire for real cars is outweighed by how badly I wish Alfa would make something like that.
That being said, I'm very confused as to why GTS doesn't include cars that do have real-world racing versions, like the C7.R Vette.
Same applies for the F-Type....Jaguar dropped the real GT3 program, and PD put this little treat for the fans...gotta love how PoDi guys are so enthusiastic and how they show their love about cars and motorsport world...yeah but I'm going OT
About the C7...I think there's always been some licensing issues with the modern racing versions of the Corvettes...even the C6.R is a mockup labelled as LM Race Car in GT6
Not a problem for other games, don't see why it would be for PD.This.
Same applies for the F-Type....Jaguar dropped the real GT3 program, and PD put this little treat for the fans...gotta love how PoDi guys are so enthusiastic and how they show their love about cars and motorsport world...yeah but I'm going OT
About the C7...I think there's always been some licensing issues with the modern racing versions of the Corvettes...even the C6.R is a mockup labelled as LM Race Car in GT6
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It's funny how people think cars are difficult to license, just because GT doesn't have them.
Face it, Polyphony has a terrible licensing department. Just about every major manufacturer has licensed their real cars to Turn 10, including Porsche and Rolls Royce, so no, it's not difficult to get certain cars. You just have to be determined to get real cars and not create fantasy replacements or vision cars.
Face it, Polyphony has a terrible licensing department. Just about every major manufacturer has licensed their real cars to Turn 10, including Porsche and Rolls Royce, so no, it's not difficult to get certain cars. You just have to be determined to get real cars and not create fantasy replacements or vision cars.
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Not all times it's about licensing issues. One of PD's major advantages are the cars that they designed and/or design (like the LM, VGTs, and the actual cars), because that shows creativity and love to car designing and motorsport, one example it's exactly this thread's main theme, considering how legendary and unique it's the group b for rally fans, another would be the homologation cars they made like the Fairlady/350Z Z33 concept LM (based on it's real life z32 counterpart), and sometimes, those cars can end up being better than the based real-life model, for me, if the developer doesn't show it's own creativity in the game (apart of building enviroments and typical stuff), then it's just another game, and, if you want to say it's not a simulation thing, then explain, why PCars have their own house-designed cars?? So does Live for speed??
So far, I never heard a complain about them... And both are sims too...
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I suspect it's rather more along the lines that Polyphony didn't want to pay a real team for the license, so they just made their own race car.
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There are a lot of possibilites and a group3 Mustang is as good as any. But I would prefer they got the new Ford GT for that role.
Being that said, truth is if somebody told me there would be a Mustang Group B version prior to Gt Sport presentation I wouldn´t thought it was that great of an idea. But here I am thoroughly impressed with the execution.
So as bad as PD can mess up lots of things in their games, truth is this reality based fantasy race cars always are very compeling. Imagine the CRX del Sol LM, or the FTO LM, or the Altezza LM and many others converted to modern graphics... Pretty tasty
Being that said, truth is if somebody told me there would be a Mustang Group B version prior to Gt Sport presentation I wouldn´t thought it was that great of an idea. But here I am thoroughly impressed with the execution.
So as bad as PD can mess up lots of things in their games, truth is this reality based fantasy race cars always are very compeling. Imagine the CRX del Sol LM, or the FTO LM, or the Altezza LM and many others converted to modern graphics... Pretty tasty
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