Religion is contrived

[Danoff]

In both examples the opposition was not a power that was minding it's business.

People aren't minding their own business when they slap your face - but you're supposed to turn the other cheek anyway right?

 

[DemonSeed]

maybe you are just supposed to refrain from aggression. just do not slap back. aggression brings out more aggression, that is how it goes. so unless you are stronger it is actually a survival idea to 'turn the other cheek' - don't slap back.

 

[James2097]

And don't forget your hand towel.

HEHE I'm a big Douglas Adams fan too!

 

[Danoff]

maybe you are just supposed to refrain from aggression. just do not slap back. aggression brings out more aggression, that is how it goes. so unless you are stronger it is actually a survival idea to 'turn the other cheek' - don't slap back.

See WWII and gulf war examples.

 

[DemonSeed]

See WWII and gulf war examples.

see them for? wars are not too good as examples, in war you don't have a choice. individuals on both sides just have to go and fight. they do not have any other option, apart from facing army court, which in state of war is pretty harsh. also, war often puts you in situation where you have to defend yourself or be killed. not just get slapped.

that's actually intersting that there isn't much about war in the bible, is there? i can't recall anything on this subject. somehow the chosen nation always got away with divine intervention [like angel of death in egypt].

 

[skicrush]

Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!
-- Author: Patrick Henry

 

[Danoff]

see them for? wars are not too good as examples, in war you don't have a choice. individuals on both sides just have to go and fight. they do not have any other option, apart from facing army court, which in state of war is pretty harsh. also, war often puts you in situation where you have to defend yourself or be killed. not just get slapped.

that's actually intersting that there isn't much about war in the bible, is there? i can't recall anything on this subject. somehow the chosen nation always got away with divine intervention [like angel of death in egypt].

I'm not talking about draftees here. I'm talking about whether you support the president's decision to go to war.

 

[DemonSeed]

I'm not talking about draftees here. I'm talking about whether you support the president's decision to go to war.

sorry, i didn't get it there. 1st, i do not believe in god. 2nd, yes, most probably i would be pro-war, sometimes war is necessary [im not american, bush is not my president, but i would support him if i was]. 3rd, maybe thats the subject for another thread?

 

[Danoff]

sorry, i didn't get it there. 1st, i do not believe in god. 2nd, yes, most probably i would be pro-war, sometimes war is necessary [im not american, bush is not my president, but i would support him if i was]. 3rd, maybe thats the subject for another thread?

I'm just trying to point out how these little parables from the bible don't always apply.

 

[JParker]

Wow back there JParker, you misunderstood my point. The 'above' statement I was reffering to was in fact only 'just' above that sentence. It was:
and was just meant to be a funny way of showing the absurdity of religion by being intentionally absurd myself. I wasn't referencing your post, so its all cool! 👍

Sorry man.

 

[ledhed]

maybe you are just supposed to refrain from aggression. just do not slap back. aggression brings out more aggression, that is how it goes. so unless you are stronger it is actually a survival idea to 'turn the other cheek' - don't slap back.

Maybe you need to find your warrior spirit and when they smack you rip out their friggin throats and leave them as food for the maggots. put a couple heads up on poles and people will tend to stop smackin.

 

[skicrush]

Maybe you need to find your warrior spirit and when they smack you rip out their friggin throats and leave them as food for the maggots. put a couple heads up on poles and people will tend to stop smackin.

I think you're confusing the Halo 2 Instruction manual with the bible.

Sorry to keep quoting the bible, but... actually, I'll quote the Birds quoting the bible (without the "turn, turn, turn" part):
"To everything there is a season and a time for every purpose under heaven."

Now, that is a quote from the bible too. I'd take that to mean that Jesus was asking us to refrain from the tooth for a tooth mentality that was the law at the time. As such, you could say it could be better applied to our collective legal systems than our present governments at war.

 

[GT4Mania]

So why is your first - and only - reaction to dismiss the scientific side of the answer? Why does the thought never ever ever cross your mind to question if the miracle didn't exist?

No, this is called faith, a thing it seems you can never have. I can not make you believe in God if you don't want to accept something without seeing it.

Oh, forget it. I could shout in your ear with a bullhorn and nothing would get through. I give up.

What about? This argument was to Famine, not to you If you read the posts before, you'd know what I was talking about . Go ahead, take the time, check them out, then you'll understand. Then argue. 👎

 

[sicbeing]

damn, i thought this thread was dead

 

[GT4Mania]

I can't believe I read the whole of GT4Mania's post
There is too much in there for one man to have a go at

This was good...look, a confession at last

Science can't explain miracles....yep you got that right

????? What does that have to do with what I wrote about the Bible not being a story book????? Are you expecting the Bible to explain how miracles occur?

I'm glad you read all my post though 👍

 

[GT4Mania]

Famine, where are you? To tell you the truth, I miss arguing with you, not because it was easy, but because you actually made my brains work a bit.

In other words, your arguments made me think. No offense for other people though...

 

[GT4Mania]

damn, i thought this thread was dead

hehe it wouldn't surprise me if it died, I read some posts (not all of them, so I don't know what ppl were REALLY talking about) about BRAILLE. What does BRAILLE have to do with religion? Anyways, I'm sure if I read the posts I'd understand, but I won't, so I won't argue . My point is the subject got a bit away, just a bit, from religion.

What do you think?

 

[sicbeing]

yea, the braille thing was i think (if i remember right) swift somehow compared braille to faith and famine told him no it cant be blah blah blah.

There was a huge discussion going on but it kinda died.

 

[Famine]

Sorry, GT4Mania. My instant response, had Duke not posted, was exactly what Duke posted. I may look over it again later, if you so desire.

 

[Duke]

No, this is called faith, a thing it seems you can never have. I can not make you believe in God if you don't want to accept something without seeing it.

You're right, you can't. I never buy anything without knowing what it is inside and out, from a used car to a philosophy. That's just basic sense, in my opinion.

Go ahead, take the time, check them out, then you'll understand. Then argue. 👎

I have read all of your posts.

Just remember: The unexamined lifestyle ain't worth living.

 

[Swift]

I have read all of your posts.

Just remember: The unexamined lifestyle ain't worth living.

That's an interesting saying. But since I have lived on both sides of the "fence" I find the spiritual side much more fulfilling.

 

[JacktheHat]

That's an interesting saying. But since I have lived on both sides of the "fence" I find the spiritual side much more fulfilling.

Well good for you, it's nice to know that you're secure in your little bubble of unreality.
I'm sure all the exploited, starving millions will be happy to know that at least God has done something for you...

 

[Swift]

Well good for you, it's nice to know that you're secure in your little bubble of unreality.
I'm sure all the exploited, starving millions will be happy to know that at least God has done something for you...

Wow, where did you come off with that? How did you get to starving millions from my walk with God? I'm not sure whether I should laugh or just wonder.

 

[JacktheHat]

Wow, where did you come off with that? How did you get to starving millions from my walk with God? I'm not sure whether I should laugh or just wonder.

It's related to your sanctimonious attitude.

 

[Swift]

It's related to your sanctimonious attitude.

Sanctimonius? Hmmm....ok. So, I trust God, help people where I can. Give money to foriegn missions and charity. But I have a sanctimonious attititude. Ok, sure.

 

[JacktheHat]

Sanctimonius? Hmmm....ok. So, I trust God, help people where I can. Give money to foriegn missions and charity. But I have a sanctimonious attititude. Ok, sure.

Yep.

That's an interesting saying. But since I have lived on both sides of the "fence" I find the spiritual side much more fulfilling.

 

[Swift]

Yep.

ROFL, that's such a trip. Really. It's a simple statement of FACT in my life. Why is that sanctimonious? I know that my life has been better since I found God. I'm not saying that your life is worthless. Just that mine has been significantly blessed. Not sure why you would cop an attitude on that. Even when Duke and Famine didn't....

 

[JacktheHat]

ROFL, that's such a trip. Really. It's a simple statement of FACT in my life. Why is that sanctimonious? I know that my life has been better since I found God. I'm not saying that your life is worthless. Just that mine has been significantly blessed. Not sure why you would cop an attitude on that. Even when Duke and Famine didn't....

You live in a developed country, how bad could your life have been even before you found God?

Put you finding God into context with everything else that is going on in the world.
All still fine and dandy? He's there for you so who cares if He's not helping the needy?

If God actually existed then I wouldn't be happy with him.

 

[Swift]

You live in a developed country, how bad could your life have been even before you found God?

Put you finding God into context with everything else that is going on in the world.
All still fine and dandy? He's there for you so who cares if He's not helping the needy?

If God actually existed then I wouldn't be happy with him.

Right, and I can personally help every single needy individual in the world? What kind of concept is that?

How bad was my life before God? Well in your eyes, probably just fine. But since I've found God my finances have been increased, I was given a wife, a better job, etc. Most people would chalk that up to coincidence. But I'm not about to doubt the one that made it all possible.

If you don't believe in God, fine. But your reality is just as unrealistic as you say mine is from MY point of view. Remember, perception IS reality.

 

[JacktheHat]

Right, and I can personally help every single needy individual in the world? What kind of concept is that?

How bad was my life before God? Well in your eyes, probably just fine. But since I've found God my finances have been increased, I was given a wife, a better job, etc. Most people would chalk that up to coincidence. But I'm not about to doubt the one that made it all possible.

If you don't believe in God, fine. But your reality is just as unrealistic as you say mine is from MY point of view. Remember, perception IS reality.

I never said you should personally help every single needy individual in the world. What I did say is that you are sanctimonious because you believe God has helped you and so must be good regardless of his failings elsewhere.

And believing that perception is reality is just as selfish.