requests gone too far
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So, how is that a bad thing? Forza fans want alot of what GT has, like night racing and track DLC
Competition is good, it keeps the pressure on everyone to keep adding things and improving. If PD and Kaz can't handle the heat they need to get out of the kitchen
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Or, if the fans aren't happy, move elsewhere! Also, I don't really think the two developers are competing (per say), so where's the competition? If they really were competing, you would see back to back DLC from each game. It would be a lot more cut throat than it is now. Forza gets DLC, GT5 says, meh.
@Simon, I agree with you to some extent. People "probably" aren't sending direct messages to Kaz and are only posting here but we (the community) have to read (not entire threads, but thread titles) wishlist threads day in/day out. They never stop! I come on here a few times a day and still always find a "GT5 needs this" thread, it's sickening. I kinda would rather people just message the devs rather than have to go through all of it here.
It's only human nature to want more, no matter what the product. I personally don't see that as 'entitled' gamers, it's just our desire for better, for something extra no matter how good what we have now is.
GT6 could have hypothetically everything ever requested in this forum for the last 2 years and after a while people would still think of something else they'd like for DLC or GT7. It's just the nature of how our minds work and it's not limited to gaming and entitled gamers, not at all.
Also don't just think it's us gamers, the people buying and playing the game that gets this attitude. You can be sure people at PD and any dev house are constantly asking each other to improve, someone is begging Kaz to acquire a license or they want to overhaul something. Or in another example last year Red Bull were dominating F1, winning left right and centre. Do you think the drivers were content with that though? No, they would have been constantly looking to the team for improvements here and there. They wanted more, despite already having the best.
Like I said, human nature.
GT6 could have hypothetically everything ever requested in this forum for the last 2 years and after a while people would still think of something else they'd like for DLC or GT7. It's just the nature of how our minds work and it's not limited to gaming and entitled gamers, not at all.
Also don't just think it's us gamers, the people buying and playing the game that gets this attitude. You can be sure people at PD and any dev house are constantly asking each other to improve, someone is begging Kaz to acquire a license or they want to overhaul something. Or in another example last year Red Bull were dominating F1, winning left right and centre. Do you think the drivers were content with that though? No, they would have been constantly looking to the team for improvements here and there. They wanted more, despite already having the best.
Like I said, human nature.
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Brilliantly put and I could not agree more. i reckon that's why I avoid wishing for things publicly ...something tells me no one cares. The decisions have already been made and can only be influenced by shareholders. Yes I also want one or two cars of my own in there but honestly, does my wishlist make or break the game for me? Nope. Do the standards ruin the experience? Nope.
I am a satisfied customer. The game is what it is and if they add more - great! If not, well, too bad ..i am not losing much sleep I assure you. I have better things to do then let PD disturb my peace ...
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Yes we are.
People ask for countless things to be changed ad are too blind to see that they have limited time left for gt5 as they are beginning on gt6, a possible f1 game and a possible gt vita.
People ask for countless things to be changed ad are too blind to see that they have limited time left for gt5 as they are beginning on gt6, a possible f1 game and a possible gt vita.
No. They didn't get the license for that.
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Sadly, I doubt it - too many people seem to want to make this the perfect game for them. Kazunori-san made the game for himself, always has done and people seem to forget that - it will be like this always and wishing it were something else won't change that...but that won't stop the requests.
Slightly off-topic again - sorry...
Slightly off-topic again - sorry...
Yeah, I thought so when I read the article - it did say dollars and the Yen figure was really high - predictably, I can't find the link now though...sorry....I think you mean 272,000 yen. I think in the UK a decent games designer gets about £30,000 a year.
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On October 27 2003 I demanded a stretch limos to be included in GT4.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=32555
Nobody liked my idea.
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^ Not to mention...
Hype = Expectations
^ Happened to me in GT5, never again!
(currently playing FM4 now)
I guess that would make people a little more cautious about gt6 nut its like someone said you cant please everyone unfortunately.
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But forza and other racing sims are real, there is no "if's".
You can't say that "if" Toyota, Nissan, Lambo, Pagani etc didn't existed, Zastava would be the greatest cars in the world.
Comparison and Competitiveness makes things to evolve and get better.
Also have in mind that a lot of people bought PS3 or "and" a PS3 just for GT5.
About "more", is a fact that the human kind is greedy, but here this is not the case. Cause we dont get new staff constantly to even begin start talking about greed.
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No, because it was a joke post anyway backthan, made for the same reason as it would be made today.
DLC "wishing" is ridiculous beyond anything I can comprehend. We have a game with more than 250 different Premium vehicles (I will be focusing only on Premiums for following elaboration), covering almost any type of vehicle imaginable:
- karts
- small city cars
- FF/FR limousines
- FF hot-hatches
- small FR cars
- FR cars
- sports cars
- MR cars
- all types of racecars imaginable
- rally cars
- historic vehicles
- F1 cars
- concept cars
- cars that even do not exist
- and whatever else.
GT5 Premium selection covers every type of vehicles imaginable, only thing it misses are sport-spec RR cars (despite having Fiat 500 and Beetle which are RR, but not sport cars RR configuration as represented by Porsche/RUF).
With such selection it covers the possibility of creating sensation of driving of almost all types/configuration of vehicles imaginable.
So why do people insist on having even more cars?
Instead on letting PD focuses on bringing new tracks - because what good are the new cars if you don't have good tracks to race them on - or new different options, introducing new modes or expanding actual game-functionality, the pressure of communities that is being absolutely extremely vocal about *this car/that car*, "Forza have DLC*, *blah, blah, blah* is pushing the focus on the wrong way.
I really can't understand why people do not realise how complete *DLC schemes* are not made to improve the game by any way - they all just takes your money for content that is practically the same as the one you have, only with different looks. It does not add any substantial value to the game or to the experience, it just takes away the value from your wallet. There is no difference are you driving a 2010 Megane or 2012 one. Yes, they look different. Yes, they should sound a bit different. Yes, the interiors are different. But it is a still an 1250kg/180HP FF vehicle which you already have as 2010 model. No damn difference in substance.
And such consumer behaviour changes the minds of the publishers, who are then forcing developers to focus their games on possibility to extract additional profit through DLC-policies. Developers than must focus their work on producing such DLC to satisfy publishers (or shareholders) and they do not focus on much more important thing: to make better games in essence, not form.
I am so happy how Polyphony Digital is still focused on essence, substance - every new update brings some new functionality, some improvement in options, new details in game-design or game-structure, we actually get new tracks to race on, new options for online racing, updates to various parts of the game, etc. That is what is important IMO. Those are the fields that should be demanded for further improvements. Not cars. We already have cars. Hundreds of them. Thousand if we count Standards.
I don't know, maybe I do not understand how the 2012 Audi LeMans car would make GT5 a better game. Or how the constant DLC content in form of dozens and dozens cars would make it a better game. I love to think how the way GT5 develops with constant essence updates as described above makes it a better game.
But than again, I am the person who wanted a stretch limos in GT4.
What should I know, right?
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It makes GT5 better because it's a relevant car to the motorsport world and community. Alot of Gran Turismo fans watched the car win Le Mans twice in a row and do they get a chance to drive it or any other car in the race? No.
Gran Turismo 5 does not have a car that competed at Le Mans in 2012.
Gran Turismo 5 does not have a car that competed at Le Mans in 2011.
It has 1 car from the 2010 Le Mans 24 hours and then there is big gap all the way back to the 2006 Audi R10. So two Le Mans cars from the past 6 years. Rather underwhelming. Gran Turismo has a pair of '00 GT Le Mans cars. Forza has 3 2008 GT Le Mans cars and thats not counting the '06 models
Problem with GT5's car list is that it is not current or relevant...at all.
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Sorry Earth, but wen you're speaking about LeMans cars, let us discuss the following:
Forza has plethora of LeMans cars, I know, I play FM4 regularly. It also have the LeMans track. So, form of LeMans is there when Forza is concerned. Cars, track.
But Forza do not have the essence of Le Mans. It does not have variations of time of the day/night. It does not have weather changes. It does not have grip surface properties that changes dependable of the time of the day and temperature of the surface/air and influence tyre-wear or physics behaviour. It does not even sport Endurance racing in the very career mode.
Forza lacks essence of LeMans. Something that is much more important to overall experience and something that gives actual meaning to sheer fact of existence of those LeMans cars in a game.
There should be no trade-off to that fact.
I would never trade 10 new LeMans DLC cars for the fact we have such astonishing and unique LeMans in GT5. It is not even a discussion-worthy.
Being relevant have nothing to do with cars. Your forementioned Forza should not be considered relevant because it fails to deliver everything that GT5 delivers in one package when actual scope of options for creating a overall racing experience in concerned. But strangely, nobody talks about it. Like it is not important. Like it is more important to have 2012 LeMans Audi. Or any of the 120 cars pumped so far through DLC, without any other essential update (with exception of the initial update that resolved the problems we all had with the wheels) in content or functionality.
I can't agree with such reasoning. It is so deeply wrong.
Forza has plethora of LeMans cars, I know, I play FM4 regularly. It also have the LeMans track. So, form of LeMans is there when Forza is concerned. Cars, track.
But Forza do not have the essence of Le Mans. It does not have variations of time of the day/night. It does not have weather changes. It does not have grip surface properties that changes dependable of the time of the day and temperature of the surface/air and influence tyre-wear or physics behaviour. It does not even sport Endurance racing in the very career mode.
Forza lacks essence of LeMans. Something that is much more important to overall experience and something that gives actual meaning to sheer fact of existence of those LeMans cars in a game.
There should be no trade-off to that fact.
I would never trade 10 new LeMans DLC cars for the fact we have such astonishing and unique LeMans in GT5. It is not even a discussion-worthy.
Being relevant have nothing to do with cars. Your forementioned Forza should not be considered relevant because it fails to deliver everything that GT5 delivers in one package when actual scope of options for creating a overall racing experience in concerned. But strangely, nobody talks about it. Like it is not important. Like it is more important to have 2012 LeMans Audi. Or any of the 120 cars pumped so far through DLC, without any other essential update (with exception of the initial update that resolved the problems we all had with the wheels) in content or functionality.
I can't agree with such reasoning. It is so deeply wrong.
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Spend some time in this site,
http://www.topcarrating.com/topspeed.php
and dont forget to check the drop down menu at the bottom of the page, where you can select manufacturer.
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