requests gone too far

[thelvynau]

The thing is that almost the whole rest of the world doesn't care about them.

According to you i know plenty who do just because you dont care doesnt mean the world doesnt.

It doesnt work that way.

 

[Samus]

Even if it were true that doesn't mean they shouldn't be in the game.

 

[thelvynau]

Anyway we are drifting off subject it does seem like alot is expected but obviously not everything can be implemented in a single game maybe spread out over a series.

 

[Samus]

Anyway we are drifting off subject it does seem like alot is expected but obviously not everything can be implemented in a single game maybe spread out over a series.

I really don't see it as too much is being expected. Nobody expects things to be implemented, no harm in asking though. It's like those few guys that are determined to a have free roam mode and come up with all their ideas for it. I don't think they're expecting all of what they're asking or even the mode at all, doesn't mean they can't put the ideas forward though.

 

[thelvynau]

I really don't see it as too much is being expected. Nobody expects things to be implemented, no harm in asking though. It's like those few guys that are determined to a have free roam mode and come up with all their ideas for it. I don't think they're expecting all of what they're asking or even the mode at all, doesn't mean they can't put the ideas forward though.

True enough but wouldnt it all still raise expectations too high.

 

[Samus]

True enough but wouldnt it all still raise expectations too high.

Depends how you think really. Personally I would never get my hopes up based on what I or other people wanted the game to be. I mean if I was interested in a free roam mode like they bring up (I'm not, for the record) and had been reading it for months then GT6 came out without anything like it, I wouldn't see it as my hopes being dashed as they were never raised in the first place. Disappointed yes, but that's a different feeling IMO. It's just ideas and brainstorming.

 

[thelvynau]

Depends how you think really. Personally I would never get my hopes up based on what I or other people wanted the game to be. I mean if I was interested in a free roam mode like they bring up (I'm not, for the record) and had been reading it for months then GT6 came out without anything like it, I wouldn't see it as my hopes being dashed as they were never raised in the first place. Disappointed yes, but that's a different feeling IMO. It's just ideas and brainstorming.

I guess brain storming never hurt.

 

[Kobooi]

So my question is do you think we have gone overboard when it comes to requests? are we asking too much of pd?

No, not at all. All the dlc requests I see is about more cars, tracks, wheels, events. Hardly anything out of this world.
If you advertise 1000+ cars, then a dlc with 10 new cars is less than 1%. Other developers are doing it, so it shouldn't be too much to ask for from a "leading" developer as PD.
Requests for tracks and wheels are mostly about delivering GT4 tracks and wheels, preferrably cleaned up for GT5. Again hardly pushing it.
Same thing for events. PD doesn't need to invent warm water, they should just make more of what they already did.
All this can be easily outsourced.
It all might be too much for the "shut up and be happy" crowd that is largely represented in this thread, and it is obviously too much for PD, but that says much more about PD than about our requests.

 

[dr_slump]

According to you i know plenty who do just because you dont care doesnt mean the world doesnt.

It doesnt work that way.

Most europeans don't even know what, as example, a holden is.
Nobody here drives australian cars, only a handful even know about them, even less are interested in them (I personally know nobody who is). Btw, how many thousand do you know?

I'm sure it's the same situation for asia and big part of america.


Oh and maybe you can tell me how many cars you guys export, just to see how popular they are in the rest of the world.


It works even less your way.

 

[thelvynau]

Most europeans don't even know what, as example, a holden is.
Nobody here drives australian cars, only a handful even know about them, even less are interested in them (I personally know nobody who is). Btw, how many thousand do you know?

I'm sure it's the same situation for asia and big part of america.

Oh and maybe you can tell me how many cars you guys export, just to see how popular they are in the rest of the world.

It works even less your way.

If they dont know about us why is it our monaros are exported to the US and sold as pontiacs seems to be better than you think and every person i have talked to from other countries aside from you online and off are impressed with aussie cars.

But as i will be reminded by someone this is drifting off topic so im going to leave the debate there if you wish we can continue in private message if you like.

 

[dr_slump]

If they dont know about us why is it our monaros are exported to the US and sold as pontiacs seems to be better than you think and every person i have talked to from other countries aside from you online and off are impressed with aussie cars.

But as i will be reminded by someone this is drifting off topic so im going to leave the debate there if you wish we can continue in private message if you like.

700'000 cars in 5 decades is just not that much you know.
Oh and I didn't say that theyre bad. Not sure where you have that from.

I'd definitely prefer that PD includes other certain cars than australian ones in GT5, but that's just my opinion. Don't understand me wrong, I do not hate australian cars, australia or whatever. I'm simply not interested. And from my experience I share that with most people who live here.

 

[thelvynau]

700'000 cars in 5 decades is just not that much you know.

Ok if we must go there

Vauxhaul european manufacturer used aussie designs like the vauxhaul monaro i have already used the US example also opel have used certain names from aussie icons and of course forza incorporating 3 aussie road cars and a host of australian v8 supercars.

For a set of cars that arent wanted they certainly show up in alot of places.

Like i said earlier im not drifting this off topic anymore i gave you the option of private message im done with this debate in this thread.

 

[dr_slump]

Could be that I went into a too general direction. Probably because we have no cars of your called manufacturers and others here (pontiac, vauxhall and also the aussie-based chevys, buick, daewoo).

Yes, I think I overreacted a bit. But still, my view stands.

 

[obsessive rules]

They don't have the license AS FAR AS WE KNOW. The same as they could have to rights to Porsche but won't confirm it until they can reveal the cars.

 

[analog]

GT5 Premium selection covers every type of vehicles imaginable, only thing it misses are sport-spec RR cars (despite having Fiat 500 and Beetle which are RR, but not sport cars RR configuration as represented by Porsche/RUF).

With such selection it covers the possibility of creating sensation of driving of almost all types/configuration of vehicles imaginable.

So why do people insist on having even more cars?

Sorry Amar but I don't agree with this, it's true that the limited range of Premium cars covers a lot of categories but the diversity within these categories is often very unbalanced (there are plenty of supercars yet only one FF mid-size family car, the Mazda Atenza, despite this being an important market segment always covered pretty well by previous GT-games).

Then there are quite a few categories which are present in the Standard list (now that's pretty much as balanced as it gets if you disregard the 'duplicates', just a shame they're Standards) which aren't present as Premium like SUV's or pickup trucks for example (yet there's an event for pickup trucks in A-spec).

And car enthusiasts distinguish on more aspects than simply 'cold clinical' drivetrain configuration or the category a car fits in, at least I do.
The Alfa TZ2 represents the classic lightweight sports/racecar category perfectly, that doesn't make me yearn for a Premium Ginetta G4 or Lotus Elan any less though.
So I think we do 'need' a lot more gaps and niches to be filled, including stretched limousines obviously (if that means including a Merc 600 Pullman I'm not joking).

 

[finnracer]

analog/Amar - I'm sat on the fence here, there is a good variety of Premium cars but yes some categories are a little short for models but I feel that sadly, it comes down to this: If there were to be a good selection of mainstream saloon's/hatches (i.e. Mazda 3/6 Ford Focus/Mondeo etc.) then the whingers would go on endlessly about how the game is full of 'crappy slow cars' and instead of the latest supercars despite their obvious appeals (I'd love to have a maxed out repmobile/sleeper kinda thing for online races!).

To be honest GT5 has got a very good selection of recent supercars especially compared to GT4 but the trouble is everytime a new one is released or added to a rival game people seem to believe it is then the god given right for it to be added to GT5. And when it isn't added you end up with the usual rage and whinging found in so many threads in the GT5 section.

And one last thing, I'd also love for limo's to be added, or even some traditional american luxury cars like the Cadillac DTS or Lincoln Town Car, but I shan't get too off-topic as there is already too many wishlist threads!

 

[Bluntified]

But forza and other racing sims are real, there is no "if's".
You can't say that "if" Toyota, Nissan, Lambo, Pagani etc didn't existed, Zastava would be the greatest cars in the world.
Comparison and Competitiveness makes things to evolve and get better.
Also have in mind that a lot of people bought PS3 or "and" a PS3 just for GT5.

About "more", is a fact that the human kind is greedy, but here this is not the case. Cause we dont get new staff constantly to even begin start talking about greed.

Wow, you completely misunderstood my point and flipped it. I wasn't talking about if car manufacturers didn't exist, I'm talking about other game titles of the same genre, didn't exist. I was giving a hypothetical "what-if" situation. I also said that "In my opinion" that PD isn't in direct competition with T10, if they were, we would he a helluva lot more cars and content coming. So where's the competitiveness? Just because they share the same genre, doesn't mean their in direct competition.

Back to that, if other titles didn't exist, would someone still want more of the game? I'm saying no, all the posts I've read here have to do with "well Forza's getting this, so I wan't something too!". If you took the counterpart out of the equation, I firmly believe our "human nature of greed", as you put it, isn't true but as it stands it's rather more of a jealous factor. Some GT fans are jealous to hear that another game is getting something and we don't!

I'm a very humble person, I'm satisfied with what I have, I don't dwell on small things, I make the most of it. This isn't only me, this is a large number of people, so to state as fact "human nature", is a bit over-the-top.

 

[Zuku]

@ finnracer

He/she won't although I do agree Career Mode is extremely short I'm not going to cry about it this time around I'd say.

In some ways PD put themselves in Square's corner. What I mean is Square messed up a little on FFXII and then with FFXIII they messed up even more shaking the confidence of the fanbase of FF.

GT5 is basically PD's first mess up it shook the fanbase a little, but if they can get back on the ball with GT6 I think everyone would be happy.

 

[Earth]

Sorry Earth, but wen you're speaking about LeMans cars, let us discuss the following:

Forza has plethora of LeMans cars, I know, I play FM4 regularly. It also have the LeMans track. So, form of LeMans is there when Forza is concerned. Cars, track.

But Forza do not have the essence of Le Mans. It does not have variations of time of the day/night. It does not have weather changes. It does not have grip surface properties that changes dependable of the time of the day and temperature of the surface/air and influence tyre-wear or physics behaviour. It does not even sport Endurance racing in the very career mode.

Forza lacks essence of LeMans. Something that is much more important to overall experience and something that gives actual meaning to sheer fact of existence of those LeMans cars in a game.

There should be no trade-off to that fact.

I would never trade 10 new LeMans DLC cars for the fact we have such astonishing and unique LeMans in GT5. It is not even a discussion-worthy.

Being relevant have nothing to do with cars. Your forementioned Forza should not be considered relevant because it fails to deliver everything that GT5 delivers in one package when actual scope of options for creating a overall racing experience in concerned. But strangely, nobody talks about it. Like it is not important. Like it is more important to have 2012 LeMans Audi. Or any of the 120 cars pumped so far through DLC, without any other essential update (with exception of the initial update that resolved the problems we all had with the wheels) in content or functionality.

I can't agree with such reasoning. It is so deeply wrong.

Its easy to flip this argument around and say it doesn't matter how much they capture the essence of Le Mans when you only have one relevant car to race on it, the Peugeot 908, and maybe the old dinosaur R10

GT5's car list is full of mysterious holes, something that is rather shocking considering the 6 year gap between it and GT4. I know I know I know, PD has been making other games in that time frame. But if making other games hurts their bread and butter franchise this much they better reconsider that business strategy in the future.

Relevant supercars are suspiciously missing from GT5. There is a whole laundry list of cars PD could have added in time for GT5's 2010 launch. Just off the top of my head where is the premium Bugatti Veyron, the Aston Martin One-77, SSC Ultimate Aero, Noble M600, or Koenigsegg CCX?

Even the Ferrari roster is thin and lackluster. Yes we have two F1 cars, but we're not allowed to race them. I just now looked over Forza 4's Ferrari car list and stopped in the middle of doing so, it was just too heart breaking seeing what should have been in GT5 or perhaps added as DLC.

As I said earlier, if PD releases the game every 2-3 years, the complaints and requests will slow dramatically. Give us by far the lowest rated Gran Turismo game, add mostly lack luster DLC in 6 month intervals, and then expect us to wait 5 years for the next title? Totally unrealistic. Gran Turismo fans may give Kaz one more chance and he better not blow it next time or he can say goodbye to his $80 million budget and hello to becoming a small niche product

 

[CorvetteConquer]

Its easy to flip this argument around and say it doesn't matter how much they capture the essence of Le Mans when you only have one relevant car to race on it, the Peugeot 908, and maybe the old dinosaur R10

GT5's car list is full of mysterious holes, something that is rather shocking considering the 6 year gap between it and GT4. I know I know I know, PD has been making other games in that time frame. But if making other games hurts their bread and butter franchise this much they better reconsider that business strategy in the future.

Relevant supercars are suspiciously missing from GT5. There is a whole laundry list of cars PD could have added in time for GT5's 2010 launch. Just off the top of my head where is the premium Bugatti Veyron, the Aston Martin One-77, SSC Ultimate Aero, Noble M600, or Koenigsegg CCX?

Even the Ferrari roster is thin and lackluster. Yes we have two F1 cars, but we're not allowed to race them. I just now looked over Forza 4's Ferrari car list and stopped in the middle of doing so, it was just too heart breaking seeing what should have been in GT5 or perhaps added as DLC.

As I said earlier, if PD releases the game every 2-3 years, the complaints and requests will slow dramatically. Give us by far the lowest rated Gran Turismo game, add mostly lack luster DLC in 6 month intervals, and then expect us to wait 5 years for the next title? Totally unrealistic. Gran Turismo fans may give Kaz one more chance and he better not blow it next time or he can say goodbye to his $80 million budget and hello to becoming a small niche product

I agree with most everything you have said. The red is what I like most.

GT's legacy is what remains right now. We know what it can be and what it has been. But that, alone, will not predict what GT6 will be.

No other game in GT's history or future will be more impactful than GT6. The series is on the ropes. Kaz, how do you respond?

 

[sdf]

Wow, you completely misunderstood my point and flipped it. I wasn't talking about if car manufacturers didn't exist, I'm talking about other game titles of the same genre, didn't exist. I was giving a hypothetical "what-if" situation.

No i didnt, it was an analogy to make my point that with "if's" when some things are facts you arent getting anywhere.
I didnt said that you talked about manufacturers

I also said that "In my opinion" that PD isn't in direct competition with T10, if they were, we would he a helluva lot more cars and content coming. So where's the competitiveness? Just because they share the same genre, doesn't mean their in direct competition.

The key word is "direct"... but cause both games are console sellers, flagship titles for each console and cause they share much more than just the genre are competitive products.
Think of it for a second...Dirt and NFS are car racing games too...and even though that both games are multiplatform, no one is comparing NFS or Dirt with GT, no one sees them as competitive products....for the simple reason that genre isnt the only factor that makes 2 products competitive.
On the other hand Project Cars will be a direct hit on GT and Forza.

Back to that, if other titles didn't exist, would someone still want more of the game? I'm saying no, all the posts I've read here have to do with "well Forza's getting this, so I wan't something too!". If you took the counterpart out of the equation, I firmly believe our "human nature of greed", as you put it, isn't true but as it stands it's rather more of a jealous factor. Some GT fans are jealous to hear that another game is getting something and we don't!

It isnt jealous in a bad way though, they just want to have more fun and are willing to pay for it.
I dont blame any gamer. we are in a video game era that all games of any genre are getting new things, dev's interact with the funs, they even change their plans on demand, PD isnt doing any of that... K.Y. doesnt even bothers to tweet in english.

I'm a very humble person, I'm satisfied with what I have, I don't dwell on small things, I make the most of it. This isn't only me, this is a large number of people, so to state as fact "human nature", is a bit over-the-top.

No it isnt over the top, have a look at the greatest teacher of all = History.
If human wasn't greedy....now my friend the world would be a totally different and for sure a better place.

 

[thelvynau]

Sounds like dlc requests can go over the top and its true its human nature to want more my guess is the dlc requests will probably be more aimed at gt6 soon especially when pd pull the plug on support for gt5 will be interesting to see the requests for that.

 

[CaptainHarlock]

If they dont know about us why is it our monaros are exported to the US and sold as pontiacs seems to be better than you think and every person i have talked to from other countries aside from you online and off are impressed with aussie cars.

But as i will be reminded by someone this is drifting off topic so im going to leave the debate there if you wish we can continue in private message if you like.

Not anymore they're not. That goes for Pontiac as a whole as well,

CNN: GM Pulls Plug on Pontiac

The Monaro was sold in the US as the Pontiac GTO, but it didn't do nearly as well as GM expected. In 2006 it was withdrawn from the US market.

I'm always interested in seeing what people in other countries are driving. I admit I hadn't heard of Holden until a few years ago. Anything they want to put in I'll be curious to see.

 

[Zuku]

I do agree with the fact GT6 is going to be looking at and have more impact of how the series will continue in the future.

I think Kaz knows that too. I mean he can't be too happy if what they say is true looking at these boards and seeing the kinds of reactions people had towards GT5.

While Spec 2 was great and the other DLC the pressure is still on them to deliver in GT6.

 

[thelvynau]

Not anymore they're not. That goes for Pontiac as a whole as well,

CNN: GM Pulls Plug on Pontiac

The Monaro was sold in the US as the Pontiac GTO, but it didn't do nearly as well as GM expected. In 2006 it was withdrawn from the US market.

I'm always interested in seeing what people in other countries are driving. I admit I hadn't heard of Holden until a few years ago. Anything they want to put in I'll be curious to see.

As stated earlier off topic please stick to the topic at hand.

 

[daus26]

Good read throughout from some of you. In my opinion, wishlist, demands, and all of the other things is normal, no matter how ridiculous it is. Bottom line for me is that some of our "attitude" towards something is too much. It's fine to "dream" about a certain content or feature, but to be angry and uptight about something they're not getting is a little bit annoying to see. I mean it's more than fine to show our dissapointment, but getting personal towards PD is just not right.

Each of us draw a different thin line in which we expect something. The major difference is the understanding on what PD is as a developer compared to others. People simply look at the fact that PD being one of the most successful developers in making a franchise, makes them as much capable as everyone else... which is not the case.

Right now, we need to ask ourselves just how much better GT5 can really get. Will DLC really solve it? And sure, there are demands like polished physics, more content, and more events (a.k.a Spec III). They may or may not be simple to you, but wouldn't it make sense for them to save all that stuff for GT6 instead?

 

[tpark103]

Good read throughout from some of you. In my opinion, wishlist, demands, and all of the other things is normal, no matter how ridiculous it is. Bottom line for me is that some of our "attitude" towards something is too much. It's fine to "dream" about a certain content or feature, but to be angry and uptight about something they're not getting is a little bit annoying to see. I mean it's more than fine to show our dissapointment, but getting personal towards PD is just not right.

Each of us draw a different thin line in which we expect something. The major difference is the understanding on what PD is as a developer compared to others. People simply look at the fact that PD being one of the most successful developers in making a franchise, makes them as much capable as everyone else... which is not the case.

Right now, we need to ask ourselves just how much better GT5 can really get. Will DLC really solve it? And sure, there are demands like polished physics, more content, and more events (a.k.a Spec III). They may or may not be simple to you, but wouldn't it make sense for them to save all that stuff for GT6 instead?

I like the way you finished.

 

[ch3ng]

I would say yes. But i know the hype and marketing with GT and this is the reason why i have to say no.

They said revolution in racing, track creator and over 1,000 cars and other things.

We got no revolution in racing, not 1,000 premium cars, which isn't a problem, but Sony didn't mentioned early enough that 800 are in bad quality.
and a track generator.

Conclusion: They promised to much and couldn't make a game that satisfy those promises.

It's still a great racing game and it's my favorite, but it could be so much more

 

[sumbrownkid]

Pd didn't promise jack crap. All they said was 1000 cars, this many locations and weather. Some of you guys assumed they were all premium. Some of you guys overhyped it and then got disappointed.

That said, GT5 is far more "complete" than many other games on the PS3. If anyone that should be blamed for overpriced dlc its activision.

 

[ch3ng]

Pd didn't promise jack crap. All they said was 1000 cars. You guys assumed they were all premium. You guys overhyped it and then got disappointed.

I didn't overhyped the game. After they anounced that the game will offer 1000 cars i just thought " not possible with the current quality of the cars"

But i can understand that others thought we get 1000 cars in the same quality, because GT was the first game which had content from the previous generation. Correct me if i'm wrong.