requests gone too far

[sumbrownkid]

Good on you bro.

I remember seeing some ragers after post release about the standard-premium car thing. It may seem pessimistic on my part, but nowadays I don't expect much out of video games.

 

[Samus]

Pd didn't promise jack crap. All they said was 1000 cars, this many locations and weather. Some of you guys assumed they were all premium. Some of you guys overhyped it and then got disappointed.

That said, GT5 is far more "complete" than many other games on the PS3. If anyone that should be blamed for overpriced dlc its activision.

How is expecting PS3 quality throughout a PS3 game overhyping it?

 

[thelvynau]

How is expecting PS3 quality throughout a PS3 game overhyping it?

This i agree with far be it for us to expect ps3 quality on a ps3.

 

[Zuku]

I got to disagree on GT5 being far more complete than other games. The only other game I've ever played that wasn't complete where you must buy DLC was Assassin's Creed 2.

As for GT5 even after all the updates extra DLC it still ain't no where near GT4 dare I say GT3 in terms of length. This isn't to say it's a bad game, but with this game I feel like it's extremely incomplete when you look at a good bit of the courses they feel off.

In reality it wouldn't have matter GT5 would have been overhyped with or without fans it's GT for Christ sake. It didn't help when they did say the 1000 cars cause although people might not have expected all 1000 to be premium. I think they were hoping for at least 400-600 more than what we got now.

 

[sumbrownkid]

How is expecting PS3 quality throughout a PS3 game overhyping it?

So you thought PD with 150 guys can squeeze out 1000 cars of premium quality in just five years when they themselves said it took six months of work to do one car? Forza has half that number and their team is bigger and yet they still outsourced.

There's something called being realistic too Simon. Can't expect 100 guys to complete the great wall of china in 5 years also.

If it's anything I'll request, though, is weather and time on all tracks.

 

[Cote Dazur]

So my question is do you think we have gone overboard when it comes to requests? are we asking too much of pd?

Most request and complains are totally overboard in my point of view.
GT5 is so much more than any alternative out there than any one requesting anything should starts by recognizing that GT5 is offering a lot as is.
Anything additional is not needed.
Some aspect might be improved, but again in relation to what? My experience with other games, is just that they are just games.
GT5 is the closest to actualy driving, still far away, but still the closest.

So Overboard you ask?, yes, not even seeing the boat anymore overboard.

P.S. : One request for DLC, Premium Veyron.
P.S. 2 : Other DLC, more real life tracks.

 

[trk29]

It happens with every game nowadays. Put thousands of entitled gamers in an internet forum and 70% of the posts will either be DLC requests or complaints.

Well the Internet is used for research and opinions and I don't see scientists anywhere.

 

[sdf]

Pd didn't promise jack crap. All they said was 1000 cars, this many locations and weather. Some of you guys assumed they were all premium. Some of you guys overhyped it and then got disappointed

Gamers tend to be stupid, i dont know the reason but some stupid gamers were expecting GT5 to be better and more complete than GT4... and with more cars from the last decade... and can you imagine they were actually expecting GT5 to have all the cars and tracks from previous GT's.
How stupid is that?
Also for for some odd reason they were expecting to be able to race on the redbull hangar road...i really dont understand why...Maybe cause It was demonstrated with 2 LM cars in this official trailer?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMWLkaq-mE&hd=1
..but how can it be? PD never actually promised that.
But hold on a minute...havent they promised new dlc every 2 months?
-PD promises and word have lower value than a used condom.

Having said all that...
With a dozen of trailers, GT HD, GT Prologue, multiple delays, huge budget, 5 years under development, a zillion resources, many official licences (WRC, Nascar,GT500 etc) People had no choice than to expect a lot and/or much more.

That said, GT5 is far more "complete" than many other games on the PS3.

Have in mind (as i said above) that we are talking about a AAA 1st party studio game with huge budget and a zillion resources, that was 5 years under development.
It would be a huge achievement if they could actually release it more incomplete than that.

 

[sumbrownkid]

So you're ignoring the fact that 1000 premium cars was not possible to do over 5 years with only 150 people?

I saw the trailers too but I didn't remember seeing saying word for word promises, other than for dlc. Did Kaz also promise we can fly those jets that flew over Daytona in one of those trailers?

And this game is way more complete than many others on the PS3. Some games hardly get patched let alone updated.

Edit: man I need a smoke.

 

[obsessive rules]

So you're ignoring the fact that 1000 premium cars was not possible to do over 5 years with only 150 people?

I saw the trailers too but I didn't remember seeing saying word for word promises, other than for dlc.

And this game is way more complete than many others on the PS3. Some games hardly get patched let alone updated.

Exactly. KAZ set a target for 1000 cars, he never said they would be premium. Anyway, strip the bad away and you have the best racing game since.... Gt4.

For the second point lets take Transformers war for cybertron as an example. I recently started playing again and in all that time there has been 1 update as 2 dlc packs. You complain why?

 

[axl54]

So you're ignoring the fact that 1000 premium cars was not possible to do over 5 years with only 150 people?

I saw the trailers too but I didn't remember seeing saying word for word promises, other than for dlc. Did Kaz also promise we can fly those jets that flew over Daytona in one of those trailers?

And this game is way more complete than many others on the PS3. Some games hardly get patched let alone updated.
Edit: man I need a smoke.

That's because they don't need it, they're 100% finished at launch.

 

[sumbrownkid]

I heard horror stories about that Transformer games.

And I also want to say that I'm not a fanboy by any means. I was also disappointed in the lack of premium cara but I got over it because it doesn't really matter...To me at least.

The main issue I have with PD is how quiet/CIA they are in showing how they operate to their fans. Turn 10 is like a teenage girl on Facebook; she reveals just about anything.

Thus is why I can't really criticize PD as harshly as others do. I don't know nor see how they work, so on what basis can I criticize? The only thing I got on PD is the lack of weather effects on all tracks.

@axl54: you silly billy.

 

[obsessive rules]

That's because they don't need it, they're 100% finished at launch.

I'll give an example. Fallout New Vegas. It's full of glitches and Bethesda just left it. Swept all then under the if and released boring/stupidly difficult DLC.

 

[Zuku]

Someone said strip away all the bad and GT5 is the best racer since GT4.

I had to lol at that one.

I know I recently just got GT5 XL like a week ago, but if I had to rank the past 3 GT's seeing as those were the only one's I played it'd be GT4>GT3>GT5 in that order. Don't get it twisted though I'm not saying GT5 is a horrid game I'm just being realistic compared to the other two and at their respective times they were released GT5 isn't the game it could have been.

Biggest issues I have with the game are it's career mode compared to the previous 2 GT5 career mode pales extremely far in comparison to them. I know the normal response is go play online maybe I don't want to because seeing as GT4 and GT3 had great offline games there is no reason GT5 shouldn't have followed in their steps in that regard.

 

[obsessive rules]

Someone said strip away all the bad and GT5 is the best racer since GT4.

I had to lol at that one.

I know I recently just got GT5 XL like a week ago, but if I had to rank the past 3 GT's seeing as those were the only one's I played it'd be GT4>GT3>GT5 in that order.

Biggest issues I have with the game are it's career mode compared to the previous 2 GT5 career mode pales extremely far in comparison to them. I know the normal response is go play online maybe I don't want to because seeing as GT4 and GT3 had great offline games there is no reason GT5 shouldn't have followed in their steps in that regard.

SINCE as in THE BEST RACING GANE RELEASED AFTER GT4.

 

[Zuku]

Are you talking about for the series in particular then I'd still disagree

or

Are you saying best racing game after GT4 period?

 

[obsessive rules]

Are you talking about for the series in particular then I'd still disagree

or

Are you saying best racing game after GT4 period?

After gt4 period. Then again it's not had much competition.

 

[Zuku]

Then that is your opinion because there are better games I've had fun with and I'm sure others have had over Gran Turismo 5.

It's a good game, but sometimes you guys can go and overrate how good it is.

 

[obsessive rules]

Then that is your opinion because there are better games I've had fun with and I'm sure others have had over Gran Turismo 5.

It's a good game, but sometimes you guys can go and overrate how good it is.

And you guys can overrate how bad it is. I am talking about stuff like nfs shift (1&2) and forza (3&4). I never really classed them as "fun". Nfs- you could buy your way through so you just sat back after a few important races. Forza- I only used it to show off liveries. I like rallying but you can't do that on fm3 or 4.

 

[ch3ng]

Exactly. KAZ set a target for 1000 cars, he never said they would be premium. Anyway, strip the bad away and you have the best racing game since.... Gt4.
?

Well. I thought this is not possible, but they said it'll have 1000 cars. The problem is they said often it'll have 1000 cars never mentioned that some are premium/ standard. No game before had such a system and you think people expected to much, because they thought it'll have PS3 quality?

Hands down. No one can say i expected a premium/ standard system after they announced 1000 cars. Yes some like me thought it is not possible, but i never thought about premium standards.

What would you think if Killzone 4 for PS4 has 20 hours gameplay in the singleplayer and a mp.

SP: 2 hours PS4 quality, 6 yours PS3 and 12 PS2 quality.

MP: Port from Killzone 2,3

You can't say that you would expect that. EVERYONE expects PS3 Quality from a PS3 game. And the developer should deliver and don't set targets they can't reach,

Yes i thought 1000 cars are to much, but is this an excuse for their unreachable target to promis 1000 cars? No

 

[obsessive rules]

Well. I thought this is not possible, but they said it'll have 1000 cars. The problem is they said often it'll have 1000 cars never mentioned that some are premium/ standard. No game before had such a system and you think people expected to much, bevause they thought it'll have PS3 quality?
Hands down. No one can say i expected a premium/ standard system after they announced 1000 cars. Yes some like me thought it is not possible, but i never thought about premium standards.

What would you think if Killzone 4 for PS4 has 20 hours gameplay in the singleplayer and a mp.

SP: 2 hours PS4 quality, 6 yours PS3 and 12 PS2 quality.

MP: Port from Killzone 2,3

You can't say that you would expect that. EVERYONE expects PS3 Quality from a PS3 game. And the developer should deliver and don't set targets they can't reach,

Yes i thought 1000 cars are to much, but is this an excuse for their unreachable target to promis 1000 cars? No

I wasn't saying it as a bad thing. People were badmouthing KAZ for the 800 standards.

 

[ch3ng]

So you thought PD with 150 guys can squeeze out 1000 cars of premium quality in just five years when they themselves said it took six months of work to do one car?

I agree. But we have a big problem here. Only a few GT5 owner know about the 150 people and don't read every interview.

Some people would say they messed around with the community. They used the 1000 cars to gain auttention while they knew that they never reach the target. I think that's not fair.

 

[obsessive rules]

I agree. But we have a big problem here. Only about a few GT5 owner know about the 150 people and don't read every interview.

Some people would say they messed around with the community. They used the 1000 cars to gain auttention while they knew that they never reach the target. I think that's not fair.

Let's not forget 70 tracks and weather/time. I am seriously impressed by pd and what they did with gt5, it's the only game what, despite it's flaws, I can't stay away from.

 

[Bluntified]

I agree. But we have a big problem here. Only a few GT5 owner know about the 150 people and don't read every interview.

Some people would say they messed around with the community. They used the 1000 cars to gain auttention while they knew that they never reach the target. I think that's not fair.

Isn't there over 1200 cars in the game? That's not including DLC cars.

 

[CorvetteConquer]

Expecting 600 premium cars for GT6 is "going too far", unless PD outsource.

BUT, here's what any average fan should expect from Gran Turismo 6 (and I still cannot believe GT5 is missing these).



Cadillac (only one Cadillac in GT.....EVER! That is pathetic).

Koenigsegg (Sweden's killer supercar manufacturer)

Gumpert (Germany's insane car manufacturer)

RUF (still standard? HOW!?)

Bentley (Have had the license for a while, but why no production cars?)

SSC (Ultimate Aero TT: second fastest car in the world)

Bugatti (Veyron is standard?)

Chrysler, Plymouth, Pontiac, Saleen (Standard? How?)

Noble/ Ascari (add at least ONE British supercar manufacturer)


GT fans should expect more, within reason. This is reasonable. And damnit! This is GT.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Any Vector in premium would be good

 

[ch3ng]

Isn't there over 1200 cars in the game? That's not including DLC cars.

Yeah could be i don't count them
I should have said over 1000 cars.

 

[obsessive rules]

It's closer to 1000. Just look through the car list.

 

[Zuku]

@ obesessive rules

Wow the same can be said about GT5 actually PD helped me buy my way through Career mode in GT5 by giving me the X2011, and also those extra bonuses for logging in everyday too.

Also I said in another thread I created that GT5 is between a 8.0 to 8.5 for me as well.

 

[another_jakhole]

Good read throughout from some of you. In my opinion, wishlist, demands, and all of the other things is normal, no matter how ridiculous it is. Bottom line for me is that some of our "attitude" towards something is too much. It's fine to "dream" about a certain content or feature, but to be angry and uptight about something they're not getting is a little bit annoying to see. I mean it's more than fine to show our dissapointment, but getting personal towards PD is just not right.

Each of us draw a different thin line in which we expect something. The major difference is the understanding on what PD is as a developer compared to others. People simply look at the fact that PD being one of the most successful developers in making a franchise, makes them as much capable as everyone else... which is not the case.

Right now, we need to ask ourselves just how much better GT5 can really get. Will DLC really solve it? And sure, there are demands like polished physics, more content, and more events (a.k.a Spec III). They may or may not be simple to you, but wouldn't it make sense for them to save all that stuff for GT6 instead?

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Gamers tend to be stupid, i dont know the reason but some stupid gamers were expecting GT5 to be better and more complete than GT4... and with more cars from the last decade... and can you imagine they were actually expecting GT5 to have all the cars and tracks from previous GT's.
How stupid is that?
Also for for some odd reason they were expecting to be able to race on the redbull hangar road...i really dont understand why...Maybe cause It was demonstrated with 2 LM cars in this official trailer?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMWLkaq-mE&hd=1
..but how can it be? PD never actually promised that.
But hold on a minute...havent they promised new dlc every 2 months?

-PD promises and word have lower value than a used condom.
Having said all that...
With a dozen of trailers, GT HD, GT Prologue, multiple delays, huge budget, 5 years under development, a zillion resources, many official licences (WRC, Nascar,GT500 etc) People had no choice than to expect a lot and/or much more.


Have in mind (as i said above) that we are talking about a AAA 1st party studio game with huge budget and a zillion resources, that was 5 years under development.
It would be a huge achievement if they could actually release it more incomplete than that.

And this is why I haven't made a post in here yet. Promise? Huge budget?

DLC wasn't a promise. It was clearly worded in a way that made it an announcement that we'd continue to get DLC, free or paid. Huge budget doesn't speed the process up. It'll make everything take longer if they can spend more money to get what they need/want. A smaller budget should do the opposite.

Have in mind (as i said above) that we are talking about a AAA 1st party studio game with huge budget and a zillion resources, that was 5 years under development.
It would be a huge achievement if they could actually release it more incomplete than that.

Sony was the decision-maker with GT5's release date. By definition, GT5 was released too early so it wasn't the fault of the developer.



Sixty-eighty million dollars spent on 100-140 workers (five years of pay for an average of 100 people since at the start of development there were only about 80-100), over 1,000 cars and 20 tracks that they needed to get the licenses for, the new to the series NASCAR license, and this server room http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_K73QfbfhM&feature=player_detailpage#t=9s.

There's gotta be a lot more that I have no idea about. Not sure if it matters at all, but let's not forget that Tokyo, where PD's headquarters were/are at, is one of the most expensive cities in the world.

And have in mind, the Premium cars have the backseats modeled which pCARS doesn't even have done nor is there anything to look at when using looking back in cockpit view. I'm not seriously suggesting that this matters like the rest though.

Five years - GT HD was scratched (the game was meant to be an online-only functioning kind of game), PD had to downsize GT for PSP and use Prologue's physics for it, GT5 Prologue beta/demo was updated twice with Spec II/III and brought a free track and cars, the collaborations PD has had with car manufacturers, and finally, the PS3 is/was the most difficult system to make games on. We are finally seeing multiplats that are just as good if not better than the 360 version, I think, and it's because developers, in layman's terms, made the games for the 360 to transfer to the PS3 afterwards.

let's not forget weather, course maker, time change blah blah blah