RKM Motorsport - Tuned Tuners - May '13

[VTiRoj]

The car with the rigidity instalment is still good, it's just that it's a little too focused for me. Btw I'd like to add that I use a dfgt (wheel) to drive with so what might be good for me on a wheel may be bad for you if you use a controller.
I think you have just made a masterpiece- you just don't know it yet.

It's an Amuse GT1 Turbo, it's going to be good after any capable tuner gets their hands on it, which is why I was trying to put some life and soul into it instead of just making it faster. Which is why when you said this:

In conclusion the car without the Rigidity Improvement installed is far more the car you wanted to achieve in the first place.

It made me reconsider the rigidity improvement, for the reason you stated.

Maybe I'll just make rigidity improvement optional in the parts list.

 

[TankAss95]

It's an Amuse GT1 Turbo, it's going to be good after any capable tuner gets their hands on it, which is why I was trying to put some life and soul into it instead of just making it faster. Which is why when you said this:


It made me reconsider the rigidity improvement, for the reason you stated.

Maybe I'll just make rigidity improvement optional in the parts list.

I think it really depends on what your driving style is. I'm not trying to make you change your tune or anything. The way I see it it's two totally different cars with or without the rigidity improvement. 👍 Have a go of it yourself without the rigidity if you can to see what you think and maybe other people can try both versions and state their preference?

But thanks again the car you made is awesome. 👍

 

[VTiRoj]

I'm not trying to make you change your tune or anything.

But that's how we roll and also why we don't hire test drivers. We change bits and pieces according to customer reviews and it makes the tune better for everyone. :tup: Everyone used to complain that our R34 Black Edition had some stubborn understeer, so we tweaked it and now everyone finds no problem with it. The only exception is the S15 Spec V which just didn't agree with me at all.

 

[TankAss95]

I personally like cars which are tail happy. I must admit that when GT5 came out I was one of the noobs that put racing softs on every car. I was kind of introduced to sport softs by your tunes and I just found them much mote fun. It's fair to say that your tunes have made me a much better driver. 👍 I've gotten gotten really good at laying power effectively to the ground now and I can counter steer properly. I just managed 1:17.043 on the mercedies Sls challenge which I am very proud of. I'm currently 384th in the world. Although that's not Fantastic like alot of people on this site can achieve it's good for me.

My preference in tires is now around sports hard/medium in most cars now.

 

[VTiRoj]

I personally like cars which are tail happy. I must admit that when GT5 came out I was one of the noobs that put racing softs on every car. I was kind of introduced to sport softs by your tunes and I just found them much mote fun. It's fair to say that your tunes have made me a much better driver. 👍 I've gotten gotten really good at laying power effectively to the ground now and I can counter steer properly. I just managed 1:17.043 on the mercedies Sls challenge which I am very proud of. I'm currently 384th in the world. Although that's not Fantastic like alot of people on this site can achieve it's good for me.

My preference in tires is now around sports hard/medium in most cars now.

We're always happy to hear that we've converted someone to the sports side. You're about 0.8 seconds faster than me on the SLS challenge, granted I just aimed for gold because I can't compete with wheel users.

Anyway after trying another Amuse without rigidity improvement, it's far more fun although it turned out to be 0.4 seconds slower at Trial Mountain. I'll list it as optional on the main tune. Thanks!

I've also made the rigidity improvement optional in the tune post now.

Rigidity Improvement (Optional, although reccomended for racing)

 

[TankAss95]

We're always happy to hear that we've converted someone to the sports side. You're about 0.8 seconds faster than me on the SLS challenge, granted I just aimed for gold because I can't compete with wheel users.

Anyway after trying another Amuse without rigidity improvement, it's far more fun although it turned out to be 0.4 seconds slower at Trial Mountain. I'll list it as optional on the main tune. Thanks!

I've also made the rigidity improvement optional in the tune post now.

Rigidity Improvement (Optional, although reccomended for racing)

Great thanks!

 

[Porta555]

Can you please attempt to do a tune for either the Gran Turismo's own Toyota altezza touring car or a Toyota Wedsport Celica '03? I can provide either or both if required. Thanks in advance.

 

[Onboy123]

Can you please attempt to do a tune for either the Gran Turismo's own Toyota altezza touring car or a Toyota Wedsport Celica '03? I can provide either or both if required. Thanks in advance.

Read the bottom of the OP, 1 review = 1 tune.

But speaking of the GT Touring cars, RJ, I have a Mazda Atenza Touring car that's been in my garage for donkey's years. I wouldn't mind you tuning it into a mini CT230RR

And I also want it to be done in the same time frame of the CT230RR, barely 1 day. Not like the Quattro, just verging on 4 months, I think

 

[Porta555]

Read the bottom of the OP, 1 review = 1 tune.

But speaking of the GT Touring cars, RJ, I have a Mazda Atenza Touring car that's been in my garage for donkey's years. I wouldn't mind you tuning it into a mini CT230RR

And I also want it to be done in the same time frame of the CT230RR, barely 1 day. Not like the Quattro, just verging on 4 months, I think

1. What does OP mean?
2. Yes I did a short review for their r34 and the NSX R1 and a medium sized one for the Gallardo. Sorry about any confusion

 

[Onboy123]

1. What does OP mean?
2. Yes I did a short review for their r34 and the NSX R1 and a medium sized one for the Gallardo. Sorry about any confusion

OP = …Original Post, I think
I also told you to look there for the request form, you need to fill it out and PM it to either of them first for it to be accepted.

 

[Porta555]

OP = …Original Post, I think
I also told you to look there for the request form, you need to fill it out and PM it to either of them first for it to be accepted.

Thanks for the help. I am relatively new to this so still figuring things out. Cheers!!!

 

[Onboy123]

Thanks for the help. I am relatively new to this so still figuring things out. Cheers!!!

No problem, I actually didn't know what OP meant till very recently Speaking of which…

1. I need to fill the form in myself
2. I need to stop with the off topic-ness before I get my ass kicked by RJ again

 

[Porta555]

Stupid iPad!!! I'll have to wait till one before I can fill out this form

 

[Onboy123]

Stupid iPad!!! I'll have to wait till one before I can fill out this form

Ouch, that's nearly 4 hours till you can fill the form out. Hold on……

GTP Name:
PSN Name: (Only if you wish to send us the car, otherwise ignore.)
Your Car:
Sending Your Own Car? Yes/No (Delete the one which does not apply to you.)
If No, Specify Car Details: (Please include as much detail as you can. Tires, power limitations, part preferences, etc.)
Tuning Request: (Please be as reasonable as you can. A Prius wont out-drag a Corvette.)
Link To Review:

There you go. Just cut out the rest of the text (and the quote marks) and fill in the form.

 

[Porta555]

Thank you OnBoy 123 soo much!

 

[Dragonthing]

Finally, an on topic post from me too...and since I've finally driven my car properly, it's time for a review!

RKM Motorsport’s MR2 1600RS

Based on: Toyota MR2 1600 G-Limited Super Charger ‘86
Obtained: Used Car Dealership

Drivetrain: MR
Horsepower: 300 BHP (@ 41,703.5 miles)
Torque:---- 38 kgfm
Weight:---- 910 kg
PP:-------- 498

Tuner Comments:
Dragonthing asked us to take her supercharged AW11 MR2 and turn it into something epic. So we did.

Indeed I did! This, ladies and gentelmen, was my first RKM request, and how appropriate that it be a revival of my first GT5 car. Back in December last year I got home with a freshly wrapped copy of GT5 (along with Black Ops and a new suitcase full of socks, thanks mum). After stumbling blindly through some menus I went to the UCD and spotted a white supercharged AW11. Being a newb, I bought some parts, wrecked the suspension through fiddling and it got forgotten until one of my purges, when it was sold. This tune here represents everything I wanted from that little white car back then, but I could never afford to even buy all the parts I needed.

Now, about the actual tune. Roj certainly managed to read my mind on how I wanted this thing to handle. At 910kg and 300bhp, plus the low torque of the supercharger, I wanted this car to build on it's obvious potential in a blindingly fast but fun way. And boy, does it manage that

Now, if you read Roj's description, he talks about having too much grip, and never has this been more true. My first test: Eiger Norwand. There's something about this little tarmac track that just keeps me coming back, and it's cars like this that make it worthwhile. The MR2 stays completely glued to the road all the way, not breaking a sweat when I try my best to make those tyres unstick, and there's no understeer, even with my wing attached lap times were getting down below 1:05 thanks to the 6-speed gearbox, which is getting close to the 1:03 of my 4200R and 1:01 of my G37...

As I'm sure plenty of you know, some people like to cruise the Toscana and Mt Aso tracks online, and I'm one of them. Even online the tyres are as sticky as ever, and nothing short of applying handbrake and full throttle can shake the tail loose, and even then the outside wheel just spins a bit while still propelling you onwards. This car does not do spinning out either, even at those awkward elevation and camber changes that leave a lot of cars looking at their own smoke trail...

Overall this has to be a 10/10 review. The car is just fantastic, and it really shines with the potential I saw when I first bought my AW11 back in December. Handling is brilliant, and power and speed are matched very well with the 6-speed box.

 

[VTiRoj]

AE86 ‘Hachi Roku SS’-
It’s the daddy. The original. The one all Initial D fans will bow down to. It’s an icon. And what we have here, is that icon tuned to live up to its hype. It’s been given more power, the suspension settings have been refined and it now sports some stickier rubber. And the end result is……unexpectedly bad. There’s none of the enthusiasm to kick its tail out that I was expecting, there’s far too much grip for it to be nimble, the steering feels heavy and when you do finally get it to slide, it’ll snap around *clicks fingers* just like that. It also doesn’t feel that fast for such a light car. It just feels like a lot of overrated hype. Until you take it online.

Online, it’s a completely different animal. The steering is sharper, the car reacts quicker, it’s more willing to slide. The heavy feeling is gone, in its place is an almost telepathic feeling of control and fun. It’s like an Elise.The gearing is…pretty much perfect for it. Short enough to get it sideways, long enough to give it a decent top speed. My only slight complaint about the gearbox is that 1st is still a tad too long. But compared to the 5 speed close ratio ‘box it came with stock, it’s a huge improvement. There have been similar levels of improvement elsewhere too. Before, it had too much grip, even on the stock tyres, now, it gets the balance of fun and grip…just right. The car still has a slight reluctancy to slide, but overall, you would not believe the differences between its character online compared to offline. And you’d be blown away by the differences between now, and its stock counterpart.

It's mostly because I wasn't trying to make a drift tune out of it. It just ends up that sports softs makes it too grippy offline. Really it's more of a sports hard tune anyway. Just sports softs turns it into some kind of on-rails giant killer.

Online I'm assuming the physics change helps for once. Which is nice. The 86SS is the worst car to set gears for. The powerband is too peaky and it has a 5-speed. No wonder Takumi got roasted by the S2000. But yeah if you keep your speed up it's not a problem.

FT86 ‘GT-Apex’-
Unlike the SS, this car works offline just fine. The throttle is so responsive that when you give it a prod, the whole car will react and arc into a slide. This is one of those cars where the direction of travel can be dictated from just the throttle input. Which should make it rather tricky for a lead fingered DS3 user like me. But surprisingly, it isn’t. It is remarkably easy to drive. It does lack a bit of feel and it does have hints of understeer here and there, but it is a very easy car to drive. And with the best part of 375 horse power, it shifts its sub-900kg weight very well indeed. The scenery is just a blur in a car so light but with so much power. You gun it down a straight and before you know it, the many horse powers coupled with a close ratio ‘box settings would have accelerated you past 170mph. Then there’s the brakes. Just a bit of trail braking is enough to get its puppy dog enthusiasm going. It’s unbelievably good. Just like a go-kart, but with more than 10 times the power and 10 times easier to use.

Pretty much. It's like an old AE86 without the drawbacks of having a 30 year old car.

FT86 G-sport ‘G-String’-
It’s the least…’86’-ish of the 3. It’s turbo’d, for a start. It also dislikes hanging its arse out and understeers. You really, really need to try and be smooth with it, because that turbo is like a on/off switch. The moment you prod the throttle in a corner, the car washes wide while gently oversteering. It’s a slide so small that you can’t apply any lock or it’ll throw you off. The best method I could come up with is to coast through the corner then gun it when you know the car is pointing dead straight. I guess the way to describe it here is that it’s the most ‘serious’ of the lot. It also feels more balanced, the rear is more planted so if you remove the turbo, it’s more likely that it will put its power down better. It is the fastest, but by barely a second. It’s more suited to flatter tracks like the TGTT, rather than the constant ups and downs of Mt. Akina. In fact, I took it on the TGTT and it scored a not inconsiderate time of 1:15.960, just behind the RKM STi 400S.

It's the problem with a large turbo that still only barely makes 380bhp. This is why I said it's barely faster than the normal FT-86 or in some cases slower. I just wanted to stop it from being a drift car. As you said, it works best on flat circuits rather than mountain passes.

The Rankings- Mt. Akina
Toyota FT86 G-Sport ‘G-string’- 2:59.845
Toyota FT86 ‘GT-Apex’- 3:00.567
Toyota AE86 ‘Hachi Roku SS’- 3:20.379 (Test done online, standing start)

.7 difference, not too good for the G-Sport considering it's meant to be the superior one.

Verdict-
If you want to live your Takumi dreams and drift the mountain passes online, take the Hachi Roku SS, it’s a very fun car. It’ll make you look like the legend himself, just don’t try to chase any Evos with it, mmkay?

Why not? It'll beat a few basic-tuned non-AYC Evo's quite easily actually. And yeah I agree the FT-86 GT-Apex is the best of the trio. Until PD makes the FT-86 II as DLC for us.

 

[C-ZETA]

Until PD makes the FT-86 II as DLC for us.

The FT86 II looks like an amusing shark. Either way, the FT86's lack of actual production is still a mystery even I couldn't solve. I have an both FT86's and the S Shigeno AE86 which I could try with your setup. Thing is, I want to release a setup for both FT86's (assuming I can get the normal FT86's right) plus a setup for a normal AE86 Trueno...

 

[VTiRoj]

Overall this has to be a 10/10 review. The car is just fantastic, and it really shines with the potential I saw when I first bought my AW11 back in December. Handling is brilliant, and power and speed are matched very well with the 6-speed box.

Thanks! Glad I could help make your AW11 better. 👍 Also I've finally decided what to request from you.

Sad to hear about your first car though.

The FT86 II looks like an amusing shark. Either way, the FT86's lack of actual production is still a mystery even I couldn't solve. I have an both FT86's and the S Shigeno AE86 which I could try with your setup. Thing is, I want to release a setup for both FT86's (assuming I can get the normal FT86's right) plus a setup for a normal AE86 Trueno...

The FT-86 II looks badass. If they gave it 300bhp and called it a Supra, I would not complain.

Dupe all 3 cars, then you can have 3 with my setup, 3 with yours. Simples!

 

[Onboy123]

Why not? It'll beat a few basic-tuned non-AYC Evo's quite easily actually. And yeah I agree the FT-86 GT-Apex is the best of the trio. Until PD makes the FT-86 II as DLC for us.

Well…I know full well one of these will beat it.

The one doing the donuts, I mean.
I thought the FT86 II was going to be a heavier beast than the 1st one?

And can I change the request? I want two things from the same car. One on SS for 'driver training' (read as 'make me better at driving as I suck right now), and one on RS for full on racing.

 

[XDesperado67]

The FT86 II looks like an amusing shark. Either way, the FT86's lack of actual production is still a mystery even I couldn't solve. I have an both FT86's and the S Shigeno AE86 which I could try with your setup. Thing is, I want to release a setup for both FT86's (assuming I can get the normal FT86's right) plus a setup for a normal AE86 Trueno...

I have a tune for the Corolla Levin in my garage. Tuned and used it to win the Supercar Eifel seasonal race and it produces perfect 4 wheel drifts on that course with RS tires. Check it out sometime. If you want I can put it on share in a couple hours when I get home from work.👍👍

 

[VTiRoj]

Well…I know full well one of these will beat it.

The one doing the donuts, I mean.
I thought the FT86 II was going to be a heavier beast than the 1st one?

And can I change the request? I want two things from the same car. One on SS for 'driver training' (read as 'make me better at driving as I suck right now), and one on RS for full on racing.

Nah both of those would beat the 86SS. I was talking about the Evo I, II and III. The non-AYC models.

Sure I guess. Not sure if sports tyres on a racing car is a good learner car though.

 

[C-ZETA]

I have a tune for the Corolla Levin in my garage. Tuned and used it to win the Supercar Eifel seasonal race and it produces perfect 4 wheel drifts on that course with RS tires. Check it out sometime. If you want I can put it on share in a couple hours when I get home from work.👍👍

Don't have much time today, considering how I'm getting back home at 8:30 tonight and still have to do the Supercar Nostalgia series (I was thinking about attempting the last race in a 500F! Failing that I'd just use a TZ2 or my TZ replica). My Sprinter Trueno is actually largely used for drift, and much like my Nismo GT-R, is hopeless at racing as a result

 

[Onboy123]

Nah both of those would beat the 86SS. I was talking about the Evo I, II and III. The non-AYC models.

Sure I guess. Not sure if sports tyres on a racing car is a good learner car though.

Oh…I thought that statement seemed odd! Since when was tuning a Evo easy with that damn AYC system?

Well, think of it like this, if I can handle a race car on SS tyres in a race on trial mountain, I should have a chance at at least seeing your rear lights in an online race!

 

[VTiRoj]

Oh…I thought that statement seemed odd! Since when was tuning a Evo easy with that damn AYC system?

Well, think of it like this, if I can handle a race car on SS tyres in a race on trial mountain, I should have a chance at at least seeing your rear lights in an online race!

If you know how to make the most of AYC, it's easier than LSD tuning.

It doesn't quite work like that. You should start with road cars in sports tyres before even thinking about race cars anyway.

 

[Onboy123]

If you know how to make the most of AYC, it's easier than LSD tuning.

It doesn't quite work like that. You should start with road cars in sports tyres before even thinking about race cars anyway.

Well…you only have to consider that one knob, so it's going to be easier in that respect.

Ah well, it's all for fun anyways, I can't stand TM sometimes. I always either push too hard or get too erratic with the inputs.

 

[VTiRoj]

Well…you only have to consider that one knob, so it's going to be easier in that respect.

Ah well, it's all for fun anyways, I can't stand TM sometimes. I always either push too hard or get too erratic with the inputs.

That's the fun of Trial Mountain. The best lines are the insane ones. 2-wheeling off kerbs and kamikaze diving into corners just makes it more fun to time attack. Also there's so many lines, it makes for great touge battles.

 

[C-ZETA]

That's the fun of Trial Mountain. The best lines are the insane ones. 2-wheeling off kerbs and kamikaze diving into corners just makes it more fun to time attack. Also there's so many lines, it makes for great touge battles.

In GT1 it is the best track for getting airborne through kerbs (granted the physics there are much down on the current GT5 physics). My old Acura NSX-R LM literally never stopped bouncing and getting on two wheels

 

[Onboy123]

That's the fun of Trial Mountain. The best lines are the insane ones. 2-wheeling off kerbs and kamikaze diving into corners just makes it more fun to time attack. Also there's so many lines, it makes for great touge battles.

God you're mad. I need some lessons from this master. Now, if possible

 

[VTiRoj]

In GT1 it is the best track for getting airborne through kerbs (granted the physics there are much down on the current GT5 physics). My old Acura NSX-R LM literally never stopped bouncing and getting on two wheels

I never used to really hammer Trial Mountain until GT4, but I do remember GT1's version making my R33 get air time off everything.

God you're mad. I need some lessons from this master. Now, if possible

*puff puff* Ah...