RKM Motorsport - Tuned Tuners - May '13
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The NSX and RX-7 are evenly matched on most circuits when me and RJ drive, hence why they're direct rivals.
Suzuka is Honda territory though so the RX-7 really had no chance. 
Thanks for the comparison review!It wont work that well. The HSC is different to the NSX despite being in the same family tree, so settings sharing wont be as successful as you'd think.
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RKM Motorsport’s 787B Black Beauty
u wanna know how perfect this setup is? nobody wanna race against me or they just cant drive a LM car i dunno
u wanna know how perfect this setup is? nobody wanna race against me or they just cant drive a LM car i dunno
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I think it's because the 787B is one of the most intimidating cars in GT5. Who'd want to race a car that knows no fear?
Are you using the exact same parts? Sometimes using different engine tuning can affect the gear ratios.
Try resetting the gearbox to default, then set the top speed, then each gear ratio from 1st to 6th then the final. 👍
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Roj Okay I'll try that, and I'm better sure I have the same parts. I had made sure of it!
I reset the gearbox, set top speed and it will only let 1st gear go to 3.418. Oh never mind I bought the full blown racing exhaust instead of the semi-racing one thanks for the help though.
I reset the gearbox, set top speed and it will only let 1st gear go to 3.418. Oh never mind I bought the full blown racing exhaust instead of the semi-racing one thanks for the help though.
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Hmm. I really like that orange. Gives it the full on "coffee" color, which I assume is what you were going for. Perhaps you might remember what car it originated from?
If not that's cool, I'll go through my paints tonight and figure it out. And if I think I've found it I'll let you know so you can update your post
I think I found the paint, or at least one that's close. I used Brilliant Orange Metallic that I got by buying a Honda CR-Z. The wheels you used are simply the 'stock' wheels that get put on when you do the RM conversion...
Here's some pics:
I tried imitating your photo...
Here's an original one I took...
Also, review of this car and the Mach 1 Mustang coming soon. Keep an eye on my review thread...
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Meet the March Super Turbo. A 222bhp, 849kg fire spitting shopping cart with a wing big enough to act as rugby posts. Normally, that would be a very formidable combination, but cram it into an FF, and all its potential will be wasted on catastrophic understeer. At least, thats what I thought, until I had a go in this. Even without changing the setup, it felt quick and eager. It also gripped like it was glued to the ground, but once the tyres let go of the grip, the understeer becomes a glaring problem.
After the changes, I can immediately feel the difference. I can brake later and deeper into the bends, there is more grip which allows it to hold its line and then scamper off into the next bend. It just won't understeer anymore, it doesn't even let go when you stamp on the power all the way through the follow-through. It has a lot of grip, this car. It will cling on to the track when most cars have let go. The upshot is that this car is a full second quicker, and feels even more alive in the bends, even more eager to play.
Now, normally, this would be the end of the review, and I'd just say this car is very good at going quick and slapping a big smile on your face. But you made quite a big claim in your comments about this car. You said 'All you have to worry about is it imagining the look on that M3 driver’s face when he realises he can’t shake you'. So, let's find out. One fast lap around Eiger Nordwand to see which is fastest.
Off the line the M3 is faster, but through the corners, you'd be surprised at how close it gets. In fact exiting the slow bends, there was almost no gap between the cars. The March was actually ahead on the straight heading up to the wide sweeping right. But up hill, the M3 left in the March in the dust with its V8 torque and power. Under braking for the last set of corners, the March clawed up some of the gap, but the M3 used all of its 414 horses to slingshot out of the corner. And the result, well it was close…very close…the M3 is the faster one, but barely by a second. 2 times the power, 2 times the cylinders and 4 times the cubic capacity and it only put it a hair ahead of a shopping cart on steroids. And if I'm honest, this little teddy with a vampire's bloodlust for chewing up more powerful cars is a whole lot more fun than that teutonic mammoth will ever be.
Laptimes (TGTT)
1:23.649 (before)
1:22.358 (after)
Laptimes (Eiger Nordwand)
M3- 1:13.958
March Super Turbo- 1:14.580
After the changes, I can immediately feel the difference. I can brake later and deeper into the bends, there is more grip which allows it to hold its line and then scamper off into the next bend. It just won't understeer anymore, it doesn't even let go when you stamp on the power all the way through the follow-through. It has a lot of grip, this car. It will cling on to the track when most cars have let go. The upshot is that this car is a full second quicker, and feels even more alive in the bends, even more eager to play.
Now, normally, this would be the end of the review, and I'd just say this car is very good at going quick and slapping a big smile on your face. But you made quite a big claim in your comments about this car. You said 'All you have to worry about is it imagining the look on that M3 driver’s face when he realises he can’t shake you'. So, let's find out. One fast lap around Eiger Nordwand to see which is fastest.
Off the line the M3 is faster, but through the corners, you'd be surprised at how close it gets. In fact exiting the slow bends, there was almost no gap between the cars. The March was actually ahead on the straight heading up to the wide sweeping right. But up hill, the M3 left in the March in the dust with its V8 torque and power. Under braking for the last set of corners, the March clawed up some of the gap, but the M3 used all of its 414 horses to slingshot out of the corner. And the result, well it was close…very close…the M3 is the faster one, but barely by a second. 2 times the power, 2 times the cylinders and 4 times the cubic capacity and it only put it a hair ahead of a shopping cart on steroids. And if I'm honest, this little teddy with a vampire's bloodlust for chewing up more powerful cars is a whole lot more fun than that teutonic mammoth will ever be.
Laptimes (TGTT)
1:23.649 (before)
1:22.358 (after)
Laptimes (Eiger Nordwand)
M3- 1:13.958
March Super Turbo- 1:14.580
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Got exactly the same feelings. I used to test it on Tsukuba and found it very hard to get below 55sec while after some major changes in set-up I could get well below 54sec. I thought it was like that because I used your set-up to my RX7 that has a bit more power (bit over 600) so I did not complain but after Onboy123 post I felt free to share my opinion with you.
The main problem with the car is the sick understeer while exiting corners, especially fast ones.
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Yeah it's annoying how an exhaust can change the gear ratios so much.Roj Okay I'll try that, and I'm better sure I have the same parts. I had made sure of it!
I reset the gearbox, set top speed and it will only let 1st gear go to 3.418. Oh never mind I bought the full blown racing exhaust instead of the semi-racing one thanks for the help though.
If someone requests it and shares one online for us to tune. Neither me or RJ really want to spend 15 mil on a car just to tune it.
That looks pretty much spot on!
:tup:Thanks for reviewing the March! It's one of my favourite FF tunes just because it's such a sleeper. No one expects a March to keep up with Germany's finest.
Also thanks for proving my claim right. - 5
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I think it's because the 787B is one of the most intimidating cars in GT5. Who'd want to race a car that knows no fear?
hahaha sad but true
You know its not funny looking for a single game for 30min - 1h than i usually gave up i got bored of racing always the same 650pp so if u people know anybody who want to race Europe server, 730pp, all aid off, LM cars on the Ring than tell me because i really like this car and i dont want drive others anymore)))
Thank You
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Well, since I'm a bit broke at the moment, I'll just review the kusabi tune. I could never see the point of this car, nor could I see why Mazda would want to make a car that looked like a futuristic piece of cheese. But still, since most of your tunes turn crap cars good and good cars into gold (NSX and XR8) and the fact this car has had plenty of good reviews, I thought I'll try it.
(tested on TGTT)
Before:
****, this thing goes quickly! It didn't just launch off the line, it exploded. It goes like a bolt of lighting compared to the March I just reviewed. It's lighter, slightly more powerful and is on better tyres, but none of these seem to justify the speed it has. But unlike the March, it didn't seem eager to do anything, it seemed like it wanted to hurl you at light speed at any one of the invisible walls of the TGTT. The handling was quite unpredictable as well, as even though it has huge amounts of grip, it wants to plow straight on when it ran out. So, a very scary car already, and a rather hateful one as well.
Laptime:
1:15.843
After: Much better. It still feels like you're driving an explosion on the straights, but it feels tighter in the turns, like its been rooted to the ground and corners like it's on rails. It now feels doesn't like it wants to bury you into one of the barriers on the track, but to bury the lap records. It was a full 10 seconds quicker than the March, partly due to the tyres, but mostly due the fact that this thing is, as the name suggests, utterly evil. Imagine fueling a car with Voldermort's magic, thats how evil this car can feel.
Laptimes:
1:12.376
(tested on TGTT)
Before:
****, this thing goes quickly! It didn't just launch off the line, it exploded. It goes like a bolt of lighting compared to the March I just reviewed. It's lighter, slightly more powerful and is on better tyres, but none of these seem to justify the speed it has. But unlike the March, it didn't seem eager to do anything, it seemed like it wanted to hurl you at light speed at any one of the invisible walls of the TGTT. The handling was quite unpredictable as well, as even though it has huge amounts of grip, it wants to plow straight on when it ran out. So, a very scary car already, and a rather hateful one as well.
Laptime:
1:15.843
After: Much better. It still feels like you're driving an explosion on the straights, but it feels tighter in the turns, like its been rooted to the ground and corners like it's on rails. It now feels doesn't like it wants to bury you into one of the barriers on the track, but to bury the lap records. It was a full 10 seconds quicker than the March, partly due to the tyres, but mostly due the fact that this thing is, as the name suggests, utterly evil. Imagine fueling a car with Voldermort's magic, thats how evil this car can feel.
Laptimes:
1:12.376
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I dont race online unless it's with friends so I cant help you out there. What I can suggest is going to the GT5 Online Forum here and trying to set a race up with the GTP'ers here. 👍hahaha sad but true
You know its not funny looking for a single game for 30min - 1h than i usually gave up i got bored of racing always the same 650pp so if u people know anybody who want to race Europe server, 730pp, all aid off, LM cars on the Ring than tell me because i really like this car and i dont want drive others anymore
Thank You
Possibly. You'd probably have to stiffen the springs up a bit to go with the extra downforce.
Yeah the Kusabi can be a total menace once it's given the right setup. 3.5 seconds of improvement says a lot I think. Thanks for giving it a review!
Well if you review a car for us (like what Onboy has done above you), we can sort something out for the Miura. 👍 Although requests are on hold until after the 9th of April for me.
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Problem with the Miura is that it's way over the price cap.
And I can't afford one. I want one, but I can't afford it.
And I can't afford one. I want one, but I can't afford it.
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Nissan S13 review(Tested on TGTT) :
Before:
Boring, unpredictable handling, no power at all, and an equally dull shape to look at. Welcome to the Nissan Silvia S13. This car can be so easily improved in so many ways, give it more power, rip out all of the excessive weight and give it a body kit of some kind. Which is what I've done, and it's still the same! This car is the exact opposite of the NSX. That was fun, exciting, quite good-looking and predictable. This is non of those things. The only thing it's even slightly good at is drifting, but with the grippier tyres on, it won't do that either.
After:
Well, it's more of an all rounder now, but I think it has too much front end grip, as it understeers if you try to take a corner aggressively. But if you downshift and kick the throttle, it can still play games and hang its tail out through the bends. It seems to be set up for fun, rather than speed. But that's not to say it isn't fast, but it's not that fast. Although I'm still not too sold on it, I will admit, it's very easy to drive, and has to be one of the most forgiving cars you have put together.
Laptimes:
1:19.267(before)
1:17.851(after)
Before:
Boring, unpredictable handling, no power at all, and an equally dull shape to look at. Welcome to the Nissan Silvia S13. This car can be so easily improved in so many ways, give it more power, rip out all of the excessive weight and give it a body kit of some kind. Which is what I've done, and it's still the same! This car is the exact opposite of the NSX. That was fun, exciting, quite good-looking and predictable. This is non of those things. The only thing it's even slightly good at is drifting, but with the grippier tyres on, it won't do that either.
After:
Well, it's more of an all rounder now, but I think it has too much front end grip, as it understeers if you try to take a corner aggressively. But if you downshift and kick the throttle, it can still play games and hang its tail out through the bends. It seems to be set up for fun, rather than speed. But that's not to say it isn't fast, but it's not that fast. Although I'm still not too sold on it, I will admit, it's very easy to drive, and has to be one of the most forgiving cars you have put together.
Laptimes:
1:19.267(before)
1:17.851(after)
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RWD shootout
NSX-R vs RX7 vs S13 vs S15 (tested on TGTT, one lap only, all cars tested have 390-410hp)
In order from fastest to slowest:
NSX-R (Laptime 1:13.620)
Thoughts: Well, what haven't I said about this car that needs mentioning? It's just such a good all rounder. Fast, easy to drive, good fun and so forgiving. I'm completely sold on it, forget the X1 or any car of any power you can mention, this has to be the best car in GT5 (no, I'm not joking).
RX7 (Laptime 1:14.863)
Still not quite as good as the NSX, but nothing is. It has some understeer as I found out on Suzuka. So for some quick corners, I had to slow down more than other cars to avoid understeer. It's quite lively on slower corners though, so it's still fun.
S15 (Laptime 1:15.353)
Since these times were done with no practice and were just 1 quick blast around the track, it's a bit too short a time for me to make any judgment on the tune. But first impressions are quite good. Not too tail happy(due to the RM bits and pieces), agile and can launch itself from corners with relative ease. A full review is coming shortly when I get the money to buy another.
S13 (Laptime 1:16.986)
The fact the S13 is down at last place isn't really surprising, because even with the high RPM turbo which boosts power to 396hp, it still doesn't go like it should. If I'm honest, I don't think it can cope with anymore than what it has now, so shoehorning another 80+ hp into the engine is just asking for trouble. The fact the S13 came last may also have something to do with the track, I don't think the track is tight and twisty enough for it to really shine. But even on a tight track like Autumn ring mini, I very much doubt it could do better than the NSX or the RX7.
Conclusion/verdict:
Well, the conclusion is obvious and predictable, but with good reason. The NSX will always come out on top when you show it cars of similar power and weight. There hasn't been a car of this power that I have tried that has beaten it.
NSX-R vs RX7 vs S13 vs S15 (tested on TGTT, one lap only, all cars tested have 390-410hp)
In order from fastest to slowest:
NSX-R (Laptime 1:13.620)
Thoughts: Well, what haven't I said about this car that needs mentioning? It's just such a good all rounder. Fast, easy to drive, good fun and so forgiving. I'm completely sold on it, forget the X1 or any car of any power you can mention, this has to be the best car in GT5 (no, I'm not joking).
RX7 (Laptime 1:14.863)
Still not quite as good as the NSX, but nothing is. It has some understeer as I found out on Suzuka. So for some quick corners, I had to slow down more than other cars to avoid understeer. It's quite lively on slower corners though, so it's still fun.
S15 (Laptime 1:15.353)
Since these times were done with no practice and were just 1 quick blast around the track, it's a bit too short a time for me to make any judgment on the tune. But first impressions are quite good. Not too tail happy(due to the RM bits and pieces), agile and can launch itself from corners with relative ease. A full review is coming shortly when I get the money to buy another.
S13 (Laptime 1:16.986)
The fact the S13 is down at last place isn't really surprising, because even with the high RPM turbo which boosts power to 396hp, it still doesn't go like it should. If I'm honest, I don't think it can cope with anymore than what it has now, so shoehorning another 80+ hp into the engine is just asking for trouble. The fact the S13 came last may also have something to do with the track, I don't think the track is tight and twisty enough for it to really shine. But even on a tight track like Autumn ring mini, I very much doubt it could do better than the NSX or the RX7.
Conclusion/verdict:
Well, the conclusion is obvious and predictable, but with good reason. The NSX will always come out on top when you show it cars of similar power and weight. There hasn't been a car of this power that I have tried that has beaten it.
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A NSX in a FR shootout?
It has a MR layout.
It has a MR layout.
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Nissan AXEUKV(just can't be bothered to type it out) Type R review: (tested on TGTT)
I didn't want to buy this car, you know. I didn't like a lot of things about it. To be honest, I haven't even heard of it until you did a tune for it. But what caused me to cough up +200k to buy and tune it was because of a review of it I read earlier. It scored quite a low score (a 3/10 if I'm not mistaken), and I thought 'surely it's not that bad, is it?', so I had to find out.
Before:
It's like the S13 I reviewed earlier, boring to look at, boring to drive, and can best be compared with water, or celery. Even with 243 hp and weighing less than a ton, it just wasn't lively. I know it wasn't made to corner like a go-kart or go like a Veyron, but then if it wasn't built to be quick or fun, why is it even in GT5? It had noticeable understeer on low speed corners, huge understeer on medium speed corners, and understeer on par with the Titanic on high speed corners. It was rubbish.
After: I asked the question 'surely the AXE wasn't that bad, was it?' Well, I can tell you with relative confidence, no. But I can also easily say that this is hardly your best effort either. The understeer has been reduced, but not cured, the gears doesn't seem to match the car as it's often very easy to drop off the powerband when exiting corners, and it's almost impossible to be consistent with it. It rather seems like you were sleeping when you did this tune. The biggest fault in this car was the lack of grip provided by the skinny threads of rubber up front, but it still hasn't been fixed.
Oh dear, this is the first car I've reviewed from you guys that has left me with this bitter aftertaste.
Don't worry though, what this car falls down on (cornering) can be easily used as an excuse to improve your skill. It requires an even more gentle touch than normal high powered FF cars and will punish you and your ears with the sound of tortured tyres followed with a huge crash should you get aggressive. Being my normal self and charging into corners, I did a lap of 1:21.814, but by being gentle, I did a lap of 1:20.548. Almost a second could be gained if you change your style to fit it. It's still not brilliant though, or maybe I'm not good enough. Since it was a bespoke tune for a certain driver, it could easily be my lack of skill that hurt the times.
Laptimes:
1:24:739 (before)
1:20:548 (after)
I didn't want to buy this car, you know. I didn't like a lot of things about it. To be honest, I haven't even heard of it until you did a tune for it. But what caused me to cough up +200k to buy and tune it was because of a review of it I read earlier. It scored quite a low score (a 3/10 if I'm not mistaken), and I thought 'surely it's not that bad, is it?', so I had to find out.
Before:
It's like the S13 I reviewed earlier, boring to look at, boring to drive, and can best be compared with water, or celery. Even with 243 hp and weighing less than a ton, it just wasn't lively. I know it wasn't made to corner like a go-kart or go like a Veyron, but then if it wasn't built to be quick or fun, why is it even in GT5? It had noticeable understeer on low speed corners, huge understeer on medium speed corners, and understeer on par with the Titanic on high speed corners. It was rubbish.
After: I asked the question 'surely the AXE wasn't that bad, was it?' Well, I can tell you with relative confidence, no. But I can also easily say that this is hardly your best effort either. The understeer has been reduced, but not cured, the gears doesn't seem to match the car as it's often very easy to drop off the powerband when exiting corners, and it's almost impossible to be consistent with it. It rather seems like you were sleeping when you did this tune. The biggest fault in this car was the lack of grip provided by the skinny threads of rubber up front, but it still hasn't been fixed.
Oh dear, this is the first car I've reviewed from you guys that has left me with this bitter aftertaste.
Don't worry though, what this car falls down on (cornering) can be easily used as an excuse to improve your skill. It requires an even more gentle touch than normal high powered FF cars and will punish you and your ears with the sound of tortured tyres followed with a huge crash should you get aggressive. Being my normal self and charging into corners, I did a lap of 1:21.814, but by being gentle, I did a lap of 1:20.548. Almost a second could be gained if you change your style to fit it. It's still not brilliant though, or maybe I'm not good enough. Since it was a bespoke tune for a certain driver, it could easily be my lack of skill that hurt the times.
Laptimes:
1:24:739 (before)
1:20:548 (after)
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Assuming thread title has something to do with April Fools?
Just dropping by to say hi, I miss GT5... Will be back on PS3 after the 10th. Promised F1 review, it will come!
Just dropping by to say hi, I miss GT5... Will be back on PS3 after the 10th. Promised F1 review, it will come!
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Yeah, some jokers thought it would be funny if they made us think they closed the shop. Bah!
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Thanks for sharing, although you dont have to until someone goes through the proper channels to request a car. 👍
Thanks for the review! The S13 is tuned to be easy to drive on the twisties so the TGTT may make it seem a bit slower than it is.
It's been the case since GT4. The only car capable of matching the NSX on equal terms is the RX-7. Elise's can corner better but the moment a straight appears, the NSX shows the Elise just how important power is.
Thanks for the shootout!I think the EXA/AXE is the new LFA. It's a love it or hate it car that could do better if it wasnt for ________. Fill the blank. It's an 80's chassis with tyres skinnier than a supermodel, so tuning will only help it so much. But as you said, changing your driving style works wonders, which is where I believe the love/hate opinions come from. Thanks for the review!
Yes.
Looking forward to the F1 review! Even if we did close for real, we wouldnt close the thread.
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The OP only referred to it as a RWD shootout, not FR, so theres nothing wrong with including the NSX.
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Since a lot of people seem to want a tune for the XJ13, miura and ford gt mark IV but haven't got round to reviewing any cars yet, I thought I'd request the tunes for them. So now I've written up 3 reviews, go tune up the three cars.
btw, your gonna run out of tunes for us to review soon, so hurry up and give us some more
btw, your gonna run out of tunes for us to review soon, so hurry up and give us some more
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Since a lot of people seem to want a tune for the XJ13, miura and ford gt mark IV but haven't got round to reviewing any cars yet, I thought I'd request the tunes for them. So now I've written up 3 reviews, go tune up the three cars.
btw, your gonna run out of tunes for us to review soon, so hurry up and give us some more
why don't you do the review of the 3 cars in a before and after style i don't mind sharing them.
