Round 2 Technical Discussion: Toscana
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- Tmortn77
Not running blazing laps but this is what got me down in to 2:46.x
First big downhill sweeper turn flat out, turn in just after the end of the first guard rail on the left. should be no tire squeal if you do it right. You time it right you can put two wheels in the grass on the inside but can't tell if it is really any faster. Completely clean line keeps up with the ghosts I have been chasing.
Second big uphill-downhill right sweeper turn I can get through in 6th with a short lift about 2/3 - 3/4 up the hill and coming over to the right and getting back WOT right before the peak of the hill. Last point I seem to gain or hold time with the ghost.
Braking into the next right sweeper leading to the sun blind left hander is a gradual drop down to 3rd or 4th depending on how well I hit the blind corner. Best times have been a smooth run on the inside to outer right in 4th. But if I slow down to much or brake to late 3rd saves it.
Off camber sharp right is still a mystery. You can get on the throttle early and go deep to the left or hold off a bit and get lined up down the right side with less chance of accidentally kicking out the back or spinning getting back on to soon. With the ghost I follow I do better with waiting and turning tighter as he is ugly down that straight but the fastest line looks to be deep if you can hold it.
swinging into the uphill left hander can be done in third but throttle is tricky, tight on the left in 2nd is a safe line but probably costing me to much and will need to improve it later.
At the top of the hill you can carry 4th WOT past the first little rumble strip apex and get hard on the brakes for the next right hander into the sun blind straight. Or lift and coast around with a down shift to 3rd to point the car when needed.
Far left line helps a lot with the sun on the next right hand right, its a relatively simple corner but you really need to nail the exit, get the hammer down and leave it there.
Down the hill you clip a left and then right before dropping down the 3rd or 2nd to get around the left hander leading up to the off camber 'tree' left hander. The tighter you go the trickier it is to get on the throttle thanks to camber, the deeper you go the more difficult it is to setup for the following right hander. Do it right and you come out aimed at that right hand apex and are able to get on the throttle all the way through the next sequence to the sector time zone. Little sun in the mix and easy to spin if you get to aggressive to early.
Fromt the timer line you head up hill with a sweeper left that you start turn in right as you get to the top and haul @$$ to the last turn. Still do not have a great line through this but it seems a line that keeps you in 3rd, in the power band, and not finding the invisible wall that pokes out on the exit side is the key.
In pieces I have probably run a mid 1:45.x time but I have not put a whole lap together. Just watched Fix's replay someone put up and plan to try upping my speed in some of the corners based on what I saw.
Feel free to tip this apart, figured it could serve as a starting point.
First big downhill sweeper turn flat out, turn in just after the end of the first guard rail on the left. should be no tire squeal if you do it right. You time it right you can put two wheels in the grass on the inside but can't tell if it is really any faster. Completely clean line keeps up with the ghosts I have been chasing.
Second big uphill-downhill right sweeper turn I can get through in 6th with a short lift about 2/3 - 3/4 up the hill and coming over to the right and getting back WOT right before the peak of the hill. Last point I seem to gain or hold time with the ghost.
Braking into the next right sweeper leading to the sun blind left hander is a gradual drop down to 3rd or 4th depending on how well I hit the blind corner. Best times have been a smooth run on the inside to outer right in 4th. But if I slow down to much or brake to late 3rd saves it.
Off camber sharp right is still a mystery. You can get on the throttle early and go deep to the left or hold off a bit and get lined up down the right side with less chance of accidentally kicking out the back or spinning getting back on to soon. With the ghost I follow I do better with waiting and turning tighter as he is ugly down that straight but the fastest line looks to be deep if you can hold it.
swinging into the uphill left hander can be done in third but throttle is tricky, tight on the left in 2nd is a safe line but probably costing me to much and will need to improve it later.
At the top of the hill you can carry 4th WOT past the first little rumble strip apex and get hard on the brakes for the next right hander into the sun blind straight. Or lift and coast around with a down shift to 3rd to point the car when needed.
Far left line helps a lot with the sun on the next right hand right, its a relatively simple corner but you really need to nail the exit, get the hammer down and leave it there.
Down the hill you clip a left and then right before dropping down the 3rd or 2nd to get around the left hander leading up to the off camber 'tree' left hander. The tighter you go the trickier it is to get on the throttle thanks to camber, the deeper you go the more difficult it is to setup for the following right hander. Do it right and you come out aimed at that right hand apex and are able to get on the throttle all the way through the next sequence to the sector time zone. Little sun in the mix and easy to spin if you get to aggressive to early.
Fromt the timer line you head up hill with a sweeper left that you start turn in right as you get to the top and haul @$$ to the last turn. Still do not have a great line through this but it seems a line that keeps you in 3rd, in the power band, and not finding the invisible wall that pokes out on the exit side is the key.
In pieces I have probably run a mid 1:45.x time but I have not put a whole lap together. Just watched Fix's replay someone put up and plan to try upping my speed in some of the corners based on what I saw.
Feel free to tip this apart, figured it could serve as a starting point.
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- Seankf1105
I was thinking about just taking a picture of the track map that is in the corner of the screen while actually runnng the course then adding in turn #'s in photoshop. Cant play atm though so if someone wants to do it before I do. Same thing now with Eiffel
BTW the map above is the Toscana dirt track.
BTW the map above is the Toscana dirt track.
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- lfishbulb and RacinDave
Thanks Tmortn, I appreciate your thoughts on it. I am not fast enough yet to criticize and I think your comments will probably make me faster.
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- Seankf1105
I seem to be losing most of my time at the top of that big hill 
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- Seankf1105
Yea last turn. Turns out the turn before that was also a little messed up. Apart from that, I can't beat sector 1 or 2.
Just did a slightly slower first half of a lap but balanced it out at the end, giving me a .574
Still some time left but I think I'm going to give it a rest for now.
I just don't want to start working on track 1 lol
Just did a slightly slower first half of a lap but balanced it out at the end, giving me a .574
Still some time left but I think I'm going to give it a rest for now.
I just don't want to start working on track 1 lol
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- blindsidefive0
Fix - NICE work at Toscana.
Now get working on Eifel, you are on my fantasy team.
Now get working on Eifel, you are on my fantasy team.
Hey can we get a list of psn's for gtp names or everyone post their psn once before adding their technical advice because I am following all of you guys as a fan because I didnt have time to really work on GT Academy but its still awesome to see what you guys can do. I know most of them but it would be easier to keep them straight if there was an area for quick reference. Sorry about this minor thread jacking
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- xXBad_BloodXx
So the e-brake is the trick to this circuit and getting the car rotated on the lower speed corners. I cant seem to get the same turn in that you guys on the top do I tend to sweep it out and not make brisk turns. Any suggestions on that?
also quick note the PSID for most the users is next under their names on the left if they provided it.
also quick note the PSID for most the users is next under their names on the left if they provided it.
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CodeRedR51
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So where the hell were you in round one?
Hanging back? Don't ever remember seeing your name until now.- 14
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This is awesome, thanks for sharing the info with the competition ;-) Fast people will be fast anyway, so I don't think it's really hurting anyone.
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- xXBad_BloodXx
I just watched Fix's lap, you will see the brake flash, hes friggen good with it. You might not have used it but like I inferred, you can take a line w/o that trick and still be blindingly faster than me ha! Think I'm down in the 40s I was honestly happy to make it this far to round 2, I will find more time and hopefully break into the teens. My third sector on this track is 1.4s off pace, I got some issues to work out ><
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- RackAttack
So where the hell were you in round one?
Just doing what I had to to make it through. I got up into 30th or something on the west with 2 weeks to go, maybe 8 hours or effort total, and just stood on that time. I ended up 99th. I'm a fast learner too, so these shorter format rounds benefit me more (I was out of town for the first 16 days of round 1 as well.)
CodeRedR51
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Gotcha. 👍
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Just threw this and an Eifel track map together for all of us to use, might help in describing. Feel free to post this in the OP. Let me know if I left out any turns or put too many in.
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Didn't expect to see a technical discussion for this round, considering that the competition is much tighter now with less contestants. Still, with this round, I started writing notes down on what works for me and what I'm seeing with other ghosts. I'll try to share what I have on Thursday night. Suffice it to say, my notes helped me get down to a 1:44.4 which may be the very limits of what I can do.
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I finally sat down to try and put some times up, I like waiting till towards the end so I don't wear myself out. I am down to 1:45.4 and keep getting really annoyed with the middle section, I have been able to beat my ghost by half a second then it catches me in the middle section and I can now not remember what I did that lap and my habits are now formed on this track.
I watched the 1:44.2 lap and it looks identical to mine with shifting points and racing line. I am just telling myself to follow the exact routine I am doing just do it a little faster every turn.
I watched the 1:44.2 lap and it looks identical to mine with shifting points and racing line. I am just telling myself to follow the exact routine I am doing just do it a little faster every turn.
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- S_Diem
Fix's 43.5 time here is absolutely, 100%, pure alien. I can stay with him and even be faster than him for the first half of the track, but that second half, he does some ebrake magic/insane car rotation to get around certain key corners, like the left hander around the tree. I hate that corner!
I will try to do a sub 44 here then I'm done.
I will try to do a sub 44 here then I'm done.
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Thanks! I'm going to refer to this for my little write-it.
Just threw this and an Eifel track map together for all of us to use, might help in describing. Feel free to post this in the OP. Let me know if I left out any turns or put too many in.
Before I begin, let me note a few things:
1. I have my feedback at 5 since I have problems turning in quickly.
2. Point of references are from bumper cam.
3. Unlike the fastest racers, my car pushes BADLY if I try turning the car in a higher gear (ex. T5-6) so I tend to downshift so the car rotates properly. I also like braking lightly while turning rather than braking at a straight line.
4. I am not an alien. I'm just a racing game junkie with little real-world experience so I'm pretty fast but not the fastest.
T1 - Start turning in just after the guard rail to the left. Start slowly and then a bit more at the apex, then let the car drift to the outside.
T2 - Start turning in after the last tree to the left. Go completely off throttle. Aim the car just to the right of the centerline and the overhead banner. Once you hit this point, add some more wheel while downshifting to 5th and carefully start adding throttle. If done right, you should be able to touch the apex with the right wheels. Stay off the dirt or the car will push badly. Try keeping the car above 140 mph.
T3 - Tricky corner as a lot of speed can be carried here. However, too much speed and you will be out of place for T4. Braking points can vary but on my fast lap, I started braking after the last tall tree to the right left my screen. Pretend there is no road to the left of the centerline and that should help set up for T4.
T4 - A blind apex. If you can keep the car all the way to the right after T3, that will help you manage this corner better. Near the start of the last set of trees to the right, start turning and lift off throttle until you feel you can clear the corner. If the car wants to push, try a quick downshift to 3rd.
T5 & 6 - Like others, a very hard corner to tackle. I like to brake a bit early but very lightly and aim for the inside of the corner with moderate turn-in. I like to downshift to 2nd and then really crank the wheel while off throttle to aim the car for a proper exit. Start applying throttle but not too much (around 70-80%) or you'll hit the top of T6 and disaster will likely strike.
T7 - I'm inconsistent here but I like to have a quick turn-in with light braking and try going deep into to the corner. I always have to downshift to 2nd or the car will push too much to the outside. If that keeps happening, it may be better to pretend that there is no road to the right of centerline and attack it that way.
T8- Full throttle. I like staying to the left here.
T9 - I aim for the apex to the right and then carefully let the car go to the outside for T10.
T10- A quick tap of the brake and try to turn the car without throttle. Often, I screw up by not adding enough wheel and going too slow.
T11 & 12 - Light braking around the sign to the right. Turn the car enough that you can add full throttle without having to lift at all for T12.
T13 & 14 - I stay left on T13 and try my best to be to the right at T14 for T15.
T15 - This is where not being to stay in 3rd kills me. I downshift to 2nd and try to apply throttle as soon as I can. It is VERY important that you get the car to the right as possible at the exit for the dreaded next few corners.
T16 - What I do is very light braking around the sign to the right while really cranking the wheel to the left. Stay off throttle for a moment (maybe half a second) and then CAREFULLY start adding throttle but only up to a certain point (maybe 50% at most). While doing this, start easing up on the wheel a bit but keep turning left. Most important thing is that the car can stay to the left of the centerline, otherwise, you'll be out of position and will not clear the next few corners. Once you clear the top of the corner, start adding more throttle and straighten the wheel.
T17 - Try to keep the car in 3rd for as long as possible for this turn so you can go 100% throttle.
T18 - 100% throttle.
T19 - I stay to the left here.
T20 - Stay to the left until you get to the sign. Try staying a bit to the left while turning and then aim for a later apex. If done right, full throttle while not hitting the dreaded invisible wall will be the norm. The key is using smooth wheel input. Again, I'm stuck shifting to 2nd here and I'm often right at the limiter as well.
NOTE: This is a bit incomplete so I may add some more notes later.
