Rules of Passing?

[blademask]

Had a great race last night with a yellow evo, awd Fuji on expert. 3 of us, I was in an sti, and someone else was in a GTR. Unfortunately the GTR couldn't keep up with the Evo and I, we were neck and neck the entire time. The only real passes ever took place due to mistakes by either of us. A turn too long, too late braking, etc. But as expert cuts rubber-banding off, it was an amazing race to be neck and neck for 5 laps!

My question, as I'm no real racer. Is there racing etiquette to let someone pass? I feel the vehicles were pretty equally matched 600pp. I had a bit of an advantage on the straight, but he could make up for it by drafting. It just seems that the only real way to pass someone in GT is to short them at a corner, slightly bump, and keep on, which is tacky and just gets you hate messages. So I chose to just work on my following skills once I fell behind. Didn't try to really pass unless I could make a clean one, but again, it was due to mistakes of him driving.

Is that pretty much how it goes? Just kinda wait for the opportunity, because you don't want to wreck the guy in front, but he surely doesn't want to let you by. I know go-karting they let the faster car pass you with a flag, but thats usually when you're getting lapped, or just going too slow.

Oh and 1 more thing, even though the GTR fell behind us, he stayed to finish the race. That was cool, im sure he may have been the host and could have easily ended it once he fell behind.


Expert races are the shiznick.

 

[Seismica]

I find the best way to pass is to avoid hitting them, but stay as close as possible. If the other driver is as keen as you are to avoid contact, he will maybe make a mistake or outbrake himself to let you pass on the inside.

Often when i am leading, if the guy behind gets close i will lose concentration and brake late :/ But thats more my poor driving than anything.

 

[blademask]

I find the best way to pass is to avoid hitting them, but stay as close as possible. If the other driver is as keen as you are to avoid contact, he will maybe make a mistake or outbrake himself to let you pass on the inside.

Often when i am leading, if the guy behind gets close i will lose concentration and brake late :/ But thats more my poor driving than anything.

LOL, yeah that was me. I just literally have to tell myself to stay cool, dont focus on the rearview. Else you end up just braking into a wall. Good suggestion though. I find most expert racers aren't in a rush to play destruction derby, as I mentioned earlier it was one of the best races I've had online. You wouldn't even be able to tell if there was damage in the game.. and we were bumper on bumper!

 

[Nicksfix]

Blademask

You may want to refer to the GTP OLR.

 

[Seismica]

Blademask

You may want to refer to the GTP OLR.

Here is a point i havn't been abiding by:

C:
The ahead driver must not do any malicious or inappropriate braking or slowing. Leading cars MUST NOT EVER 'brake check' the car(s) behind them because they are following too closely. The ahead driver IS entitled to be slower or use longer and earlier braking zones than others. They are also entitled to turn in earlier or later and/or apex earlier or later.

So, instead of outbraking myself to let the faster car pass, i am entitled to race just how i usually do, and its the other drivers fault if i get in their way. Sounds good to me.

 

[Nicksfix]

its the other drivers fault if i get in their way. Sounds good to me.

If your holding your driving line and not intentionally blocking as to prevent an overtake by the opposition,it's not a problem.

 

[blademask]

Blademask

You may want to refer to the GTP OLR.

Thank you.

 

[Patrocles]

Had a great race last night with a yellow evo, awd Fuji on expert. 3 of us, I was in an sti, and someone else was in a GTR. Unfortunately the GTR couldn't keep up with the Evo and I, we were neck and neck the entire time. The only real passes ever took place due to mistakes by either of us. A turn too long, too late braking, etc. But as expert cuts rubber-banding off, it was an amazing race to be neck and neck for 5 laps!

My question, as I'm no real racer. Is there racing etiquette to let someone pass? I feel the vehicles were pretty equally matched 600pp. I had a bit of an advantage on the straight, but he could make up for it by drafting. It just seems that the only real way to pass someone in GT is to short them at a corner, slightly bump, and keep on, which is tacky and just gets you hate messages. So I chose to just work on my following skills once I fell behind. Didn't try to really pass unless I could make a clean one, but again, it was due to mistakes of him driving.

Is that pretty much how it goes? Just kinda wait for the opportunity, because you don't want to wreck the guy in front, but he surely doesn't want to let you by. I know go-karting they let the faster car pass you with a flag, but thats usually when you're getting lapped, or just going too slow.

Oh and 1 more thing, even though the GTR fell behind us, he stayed to finish the race. That was cool, im sure he may have been the host and could have easily ended it once he fell behind.


Expert races are the shiznick.

My rules are to allow a faster car than me to pass when safe. In most cases I will hold my line and ease off the gas a tiny bit to allow this faster car to easily pass me.

When I am neck and neck with other pilots I was told not to pass people unless I can "show them my car wheel." That is make enough of a pass where they will see my car. If I can't do that I do not pass. I am not super-competitive and the last thing I want is to have a crash and have one or two cars out of the race.

Of course, as you mentioned in your post, racing against other pilots showing respect is the best! Anyone can turn hotlaps, but it takes a special pilot to do passing safely.

 

[HaylRayzor]

If we are so closely matched that I can't pass cleanly and he doesn't make a mistake then I'm happy to finish behind him.

 

[SETWAVE]

There are not single hosts anymore so people leaving is not a risk to the whole game.

 

[Seismica]

If your holding your driving line and not intentionally blocking as to prevent an overtake by the opposition,it's not a problem.

The problem i have, is sometimes i feel it may seem like i am blocking, because i find it hard to be consistent with a Sixaxis (Throttle control out of corners is my weak point, i'm ok at keeping it low, its when you gradually get back on the power i often do it too rapidly which causes wheelspin, i use the x button). So it does look like i'm all over the road sometimes, especially if i'm in a car i'm not too familiar with.

That makes me guilty. I know i am not the fastest driver, infact compared to a lot of GTP drivers i'm pretty mediocre, so i always feel like i'm holding other guys up. Not a problem in a 1 on 1 race, but when i'm holding up the faster guys trying to catch the leader it does make me feel a little bad.

 

[SETWAVE]

Just let them through...
You shouldn't be thinking those thoughts or worries playing a game. They will no longer bother you if you let them past.

 

[Peter]

I had an excellent race with RadRacing, which wen down the wire to the last lap on the start/finish sraight, me in my Mine's and he was in the Ford GT LM. I lead, and he was right on my backside, and the Ford is faster in the straight line and he had my draft so, he was able to try and overtake, and he would have gotten it, but i moved into his way and pushed him onto the grass by accident, spinning him. I slammed on the brakes to stop and let him win, but I came up short and took the win

 

[Boffin]

Why did you move into his way?

I was discussing this with the TTR fellas.

I always think I'm getting in the way, but they assure me I'm up to pace. I try and overtake when I can, so long as the driver in front doen't have to change their line and I know that no contact is going to be made. Sometimes I dive on the inside of the corner, and get partially in front of them, only to realise I've been a bit to optimistic and slow down so they can pass and I can return to my previous positoin, but they slow down as well, so we go slow for a while untill someone wants to start the chase.

 

[ANFD]

It is simply the overtaking car's responsibility to make the pass cleanly. The leading car has the right to his line and since each car's set up dictates the driving style, line, and braking points, we have to respect each other's right to their space. As long as we remember that it's about the racing, and not necessarily about winning all the time, then it's easier to be patient and make the pass without forcing it.

Avoiding contact can be as much of a challenge (and fun) as going quickly so I recommend it highly

 

[Turbo-Kai]

for example a gentleman does never "lean against" another car in a corner...this has become a bat habit nowadays when you for example have a look at the WTCC or DTM or so...
I better stay behind than being one of those idiots about who I always complain when they for example purposely crash in my car and use me as a brake pad before corners...

when you are better then you will sometime have a chance to pass the other...it is only tricky when the others are even or just slightly worse...
solution: just stay calm... or try a different line


C U on the track!

 

[tony1311]

for example a gentleman does never "lean against" another car in a corner...this has become a bat habit nowadays when you for example have a look at the WTCC or DTM or so...
I better stay behind than being one of those idiots about who I always complain when they for example purposely crash in my car and use me as a brake pad before corners...

when you are better then you will sometime have a chance to pass the other...it is only tricky when the others are even or just slightly worse...
solution: just stay calm... or try a different line


C U on the track!

I recently had a race with a guy named i-Plume @ fuji. He was in a yellow ford gt 06 and i in a ford Gtlm. After the first corner i was behind him in third place and first was a Ford Gtlm. Obviously (because of the car choice) , i was much faster than i-Plume (1.5 sec per lap) but couldn't find a way to pass him in the first lap. In the meantime the Gtlm was getting away. Until then i hadn't had a seriously competitive race and i really wanted to fight with another Gtlm at last. In the exit of the last turn,still lap 1, i-Plume messed it up a little bit and i lost my line trying to avoid hitting him. I was really frustrated as the Gtlm in p1 kept getting away with a rythm that indicated that if i caught him,we could have a really good race. So, in lap 2 , turn 1 , i braked hard and then let the car slide a little bit so that i could touch i-Plume and send him off his line. I managed to do that without taking him out and then went on to have a real race.

What was i supposed to do? Stick behind him (risking a touch because he was all over the place) , wait for the straight to pass him and then lose my only opportunity (that night) to have a good race ?

p.s.: i-plume expressed his frustration in a polite way, i don't have a personal problem with him.

 

[Synwraith]

What was i supposed to do? Stick behind him (risking a touch because he was all over the place) , wait for the straight to pass him and then lose my only opportunity (that night) to have a good race ?

Yes.

p.s.: i-plume expressed his frustration in a polite way,

Rightfully so.

All the best
Maz

 

[Blitz187]

What was i supposed to do? Stick behind him (risking a touch because he was all over the place) , wait for the straight to pass him and then lose my only opportunity (that night) to have a good race ?

To be blunt yes.... that would have been the gentleman racer thing to do... You didnt take him out but you did push him off line, JUST because you wanted to race the guy in front of him. I know its a game, but the majority of the members here who race on-line also follow the GTP OLR setup by the forum here. Anyway, that states that its your job NOT to hit the person in front of you for anything, the person in front of you has the right to drive how he wants (hold his lines, etc but not BLOCK) and its then your job to avoid him and try to find a way to pass him cleanly. Drivers who are very skillful shouldnt have much problem with this.... Patience is a virtue.

 

[DGiant2000]

I recently had a race with a guy named i-Plume @ fuji. He was in a yellow ford gt 06 and i in a ford Gtlm. After the first corner i was behind him in third place and first was a Ford Gtlm. Obviously (because of the car choice) , i was much faster than i-Plume (1.5 sec per lap) but couldn't find a way to pass him in the first lap. In the meantime the Gtlm was getting away. Until then i hadn't had a seriously competitive race and i really wanted to fight with another Gtlm at last. In the exit of the last turn,still lap 1, i-Plume messed it up a little bit and i lost my line trying to avoid hitting him. I was really frustrated as the Gtlm in p1 kept getting away with a rythm that indicated that if i caught him,we could have a really good race. So, in lap 2 , turn 1 , i braked hard and then let the car slide a little bit so that i could touch i-Plume and send him off his line. I managed to do that without taking him out and then went on to have a real race.

What was i supposed to do? Stick behind him (risking a touch because he was all over the place) , wait for the straight to pass him and then lose my only opportunity (that night) to have a good race ?

p.s.: i-plume expressed his frustration in a polite way, i don't have a personal problem with him.

Seriously?!?!? Watch formula 1. If one of the front runners has a bad qualifying session and starts from the back, they have to do exactly that. They can't just go barging their way through using the arrogant excuse that they are faster than everyone else. I can see why I-Plume was frustrated, he is a very fair driver, I can assure you that if you drive like that with me in a race, I will have no problem reporting you on the blacklist.

 

[crazytortise]

I recently had a race with a guy named i-Plume @ fuji. He was in a yellow ford gt 06 and i in a ford Gtlm. After the first corner i was behind him in third place and first was a Ford Gtlm. Obviously (because of the car choice) , i was much faster than i-Plume (1.5 sec per lap) but couldn't find a way to pass him in the first lap. In the meantime the Gtlm was getting away. Until then i hadn't had a seriously competitive race and i really wanted to fight with another Gtlm at last. In the exit of the last turn,still lap 1, i-Plume messed it up a little bit and i lost my line trying to avoid hitting him. I was really frustrated as the Gtlm in p1 kept getting away with a rythm that indicated that if i caught him,we could have a really good race. So, in lap 2 , turn 1 , i braked hard and then let the car slide a little bit so that i could touch i-Plume and send him off his line. I managed to do that without taking him out and then went on to have a real race.

What was i supposed to do? Stick behind him (risking a touch because he was all over the place) , wait for the straight to pass him and then lose my only opportunity (that night) to have a good race ?

p.s.: i-plume expressed his frustration in a polite way, i don't have a personal problem with him.

Try have some patience. I watched you last night in my mirrors pushing people wide then you did it to me once or twice, hence i left the racing. If you cant find a clean, safe place to pass then don't pass at all until it is safe to do so. I advised you last night to read the OLR rules. It clearly states everything you need to know about racing online and the means of overtaking a fellow racer.

Enough said ...

 

[nikhil]

Why would you let a car by? Half the battle is making the pass, if they can't get around you, too bad. Don't get overly aggressive, but do try to take the inside lines and prevent them from getting around.

I think that gentle nudging is ok. Don't ram someone off the track, but if they leave the inside open and you can squeeze by, then go for it.

 

[Seismica]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmeyvQcciTQ

The rules are there to stop things like this happening. Supposedly the guy in the Corvette bumped the Porsche (i don't think he did, he braked by the looks of it). The guy in the Porsche then proceeded to block the Corvette all the way up the main straight causing a crash which could have been fatal. If there was contact in the last turn, both drivers were in the wrong.

When we see damage in GT5 there will be consequences for drivers that drive like maniacs, but greater consequences for the guys trying to drive cleanly. Its people like tony1311 who believe it is ok to shunt other drivers that cause these incidents in the first place.

 

[tony1311]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmeyvQcciTQ

The rules are there to stop things like this happening. Supposedly the guy in the Corvette bumped the Porsche (i don't think he did, he braked by the looks of it). The guy in the Porsche then proceeded to block the Corvette all the way up the main straight causing a crash which could have been fatal. If there was contact in the last turn, both drivers were in the wrong.

When we see damage in GT5 there will be consequences for drivers that drive like maniacs, but greater consequences for the guys trying to drive cleanly. Its people like tony1311 who believe it is ok to shunt other drivers that cause
these incidents in the first place.

-WE ALL PLAY GRAN TURISMO TO HAVE FUN.

Where is the FUN when all you do is try to hold a much faster player back?

-WE ARE NOT FIGHTING FOR CHAMPIONSHIPS,CONTRACTS,MONEY.

Any comparisons with REAL LIFE RACING are irrelevant.

-WE ALL HAVE PRIDE AND EGOS

Are you protecting your pride when you hold back a player ,when he is much faster than you,not necessarily because he is a faster driver,but because he has a faster car?

When i was racing the 500pp suzuka with the elise while all of you were in 512,did anyone notice that at the start i was moving over ,knowing that i was slower, so that i wouldn't be in your way? Is it possible that after a gesture like that, i was planning to ram all of you out?Does anyone take under consideration how much faster the elise with r1s is on the twisty section of suzuka and what level of patience ,self control and ability is needed to drive flawlessly around there with no touches? It was a great challenge for me and that's why i was racing in that particular car.I also apologized to everyone i touched against the racing rules.

Ask any fast driver,anyone that was able to compete on my level or above,anyone that had a genuinly tight race with me, if i am a clean driver or not.Seems like a small group of drivers in this forum express their insecurities by ''attacking'' anyone with authentic personality.

 

[Terronium-12]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmeyvQcciTQ

The rules are there to stop things like this happening. Supposedly the guy in the Corvette bumped the Porsche (i don't think he did, he braked by the looks of it). The guy in the Porsche then proceeded to block the Corvette all the way up the main straight causing a crash which could have been fatal. If there was contact in the last turn, both drivers were in the wrong.

When we see damage in GT5 there will be consequences for drivers that drive like maniacs, but greater consequences for the guys trying to drive cleanly. Its people like tony1311 who believe it is ok to shunt other drivers that cause these incidents in the first place.

All I gotta say I would have 🤬 him up. Plain as day.

 

[devildog666]

It is simply the overtaking car's responsibility to make the pass cleanly. The leading car has the right to his line and since each car's set up dictates the driving style, line, and braking points, we have to respect each other's right to their space. As long as we remember that it's about the racing, and not necessarily about winning all the time, then it's easier to be patient and make the pass without forcing it.

Avoiding contact can be as much of a challenge (and fun) as going quickly so I recommend it highly

Everytime i get on the track it's about winning, not at any cost, i mean i won't bump you off the road or cut the grass to win,but other than that, winning is my purpose for being out there. There is no other reason to race online if you're not there to win.

 

[Terronium-12]

Everytime i get on the track it's about winning, not at any cost, i mean i won't bump you off the road or cut the grass to win,but other than that, winning is my purpose for being out there. There is no other reason to race online if you're not there to win.

I think he means it's not always about winning in the sense that you're not going to win every single race, there's always going to be someone who if even a little bit is better than you. It's about the fun just as much as it is the victory behind it.

 

[Hugo Boss]

-WE ALL PLAY GRAN TURISMO TO HAVE FUN.

Where is the FUN when all you do is try to hold a much faster player back?

Isn't the idea of racing to overtake your opponents and try to keep them behind you? If it all happens within the rules, there's nothing you can say about it. If you cannot pass a slower driver/car, you simply need to improve your racing skills.

Are you protecting your pride when you hold back a player ,when he is much faster than you,not necessarily because he is a faster driver,but because he has a faster car?

No, try to approach it from the other side. You're not holding back that player, the player behind simply isn't skilled enough to pass. Try to enjoy the interaction with other players, in stead of focusing on winning. Racing will be much more fun then.

When i was racing the 500pp suzuka with the elise while all of you were in 512,did anyone notice that at the start i was moving over ,knowing that i was slower, so that i wouldn't be in your way? Is it possible that after a gesture like that, i was planning to ram all of you out?Does anyone take under consideration how much faster the elise with r1s is on the twisty section of suzuka and what level of patience ,self control and ability is needed to drive flawlessly around there with no touches? It was a great challenge for me and that's why i was racing in that particular car.I also apologized to everyone i touched against the racing rules.

I was in that race. You clearly made way for all of us. It's friendly, but not necessary. It's all up to you, but in principle we just have to pass you on own strength.

 

[Jack]

-WE ALL PLAY GRAN TURISMO TO HAVE FUN.

Where is the FUN when all you do is try to hold a much faster player back?

-WE ARE NOT FIGHTING FOR CHAMPIONSHIPS,CONTRACTS,MONEY.

Any comparisons with REAL LIFE RACING are irrelevant.

-WE ALL HAVE PRIDE AND EGOS

Are you protecting your pride when you hold back a player ,when he is much faster than you,not necessarily because he is a faster driver,but because he has a faster car?

When i was racing the 500pp suzuka with the elise while all of you were in 512,did anyone notice that at the start i was moving over ,knowing that i was slower, so that i wouldn't be in your way? Is it possible that after a gesture like that, i was planning to ram all of you out?Does anyone take under consideration how much faster the elise with r1s is on the twisty section of suzuka and what level of patience ,self control and ability is needed to drive flawlessly around there with no touches? It was a great challenge for me and that's why i was racing in that particular car.I also apologized to everyone i touched against the racing rules.

Ask any fast driver,anyone that was able to compete on my level or above,anyone that had a genuinly tight race with me, if i am a clean driver or not.Seems like a small group of drivers in this forum express their insecurities by ''attacking'' anyone with authentic personality.

The idea of these custom events is to race the chioce car for that said event. If you want to race another car, stick to the times for that specific car. You joined a 512 event in an elise. If you plan to visit GTPlanet and race with GTP tagged members stick to the OLR.

The racing is fun and friendly so no need for your ego to be pushed around like the other 2 threads you've made. If you cant get passed i-Plume in a clean manner, then maybe he is on your level. Maybe you should of had a good race and enjoyed it with him. Maybe you need to think twice before entering a race.

 

[tony1311]

The idea of these custom events is to race the chioce car for that said event. If you want to race another car, stick to the times for that specific car. You joined a 512 event in an elise. If you plan to visit GTPlanet and race with GTP tagged members stick to the OLR.

The racing is fun and friendly so no need for your ego to be pushed around like the other 2 threads you've made. If you cant get passed i-Plume in a clean manner, then maybe he is on your level. Maybe you should of had a good race and enjoyed it with him. Maybe you need to think twice before entering a race.

Maybe you should read what i have mentioned in my earlier posts before expressing yourself. 👎 After all, you are a Gtp moderator.

My problem was not that i couldn't pass him. My problem was that if i waited a whole lap longer behind him,waiting to pass him on the straight, i would have lost the oportunity to race the gtlm in p1 which was my best bet for a good race that evening.