Russian Invasion of Ukraine

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Yeah nothing to worry about. Putin's military is third grade.
Kiev is 140kms from the border with Belarus, in the week since Russia invaded its not managed to take a city two hours drive from one of the borders it invaded from!

It's also, somehow, failed to achieve air superiority in that week.

Third rate is arguably an overestimate.
 
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I think the axis on Kiev may have been a grandiose feint (by the least experienced troops and commanders) in order to draw defenses from the east and south away from the real objectives.

With the peace talks now taking place, perhaps Putin's Great Column needn't penetrate a meter further.
 
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It's also, somehow, failed to achieve air superiority in that week.
Soviet tactics. Establishing air superiority was never part of the strategy because they didn't think they needed to waste the resources. Now, neither country can establish it because the whole place is chock full of various AA weapons. Russia is doing what they can to attack Ukrainian air fields but that does little to stop all the Stingers floating around in the forests. Speaking of which...



It's winter in eastern Europe which means low overcast which means jets are forced to fly at low altitude. That leaves them extremely vulnerable to manpads. Sure the Su-34 is supposed to be a tactical bomber but it's not a damn close air support plane like the Su-25 or A-10. Or hell, maybe it is, and we're finding out that Russia designed a plane for a job that it can't do against an equipped enemy.

I think the axis on Kiev may have been a grandiose feint (by the least experienced troops and commanders) in order to draw defenses from the east and south away from the real objectives.

With the peace talks now taking place, perhaps Putin's Great Column needn't penetrate a meter further.
I'm fairly positive that it was less of a feint and more of a 4th quarter adjustment. There is little evidence to suggest that much of their strategy has panned out very well at all. Every move they're making appears to be compensating for prior mistakes and ultimately they're going to have to increase their numbers to make up for much higher losses than anticipated.
 
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What's that map supposed to tell us? And I thought you were against "Western propaganda"? The New York Times is undoubtedly a Western news source.

But yes, the Russian military is really terrible considering Russia claims its a military superpower. And really, you can have the biggest military in the world but if your logistics are poor, that military is going to be useless. Not being able to feed soldiers and fuel/repair vehicles shows just how terrible the Russian strategy is. The fact that they are resulting in engaging civilians and civilian structures instead of engaging actual military targets shows just how desperate and feckless the force really is. And the fact that the Ukrainian military is holding its own, despite being vastly outnumbered and outgunned shows just what proper training and supply lines can do.

Armchair generals think firepower wins wars, actual generals know its logistics.
You just proved what that map means. Logistics.
 
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I think the axis on Kiev may have been a grandiose feint (by the least experienced troops and commanders) in order to draw defenses from the east and south away from the real objectives.
From everything I've seen, this whole operation was supposed to be over already. I do not think we're looking at 4D chess.
 
What's that map supposed to tell us? And I thought you were against "Western propaganda"? The New York Times is undoubtedly a Western news source.

But yes, the Russian military is really terrible considering Russia claims its a military superpower. And really, you can have the biggest military in the world but if your logistics are poor, that military is going to be useless. Not being able to feed soldiers and fuel/repair vehicles shows just how terrible the Russian strategy is. The fact that they are resulting in engaging civilians and civilian structures instead of engaging actual military targets shows just how desperate and feckless the force really is. And the fact that the Ukrainian military is holding its own, despite being vastly outnumbered and outgunned shows just what proper training and supply lines can do.

Armchair generals think firepower wins wars, actual generals know its logistics.
Plus this is literally fighting on their own doorstep. They've not transported huge divisions halfway across the world to an area with very different climates and terrain to what they're used to. This is Eastern Europe, they even have roads that lead from Russia across the border straight into Ukraine. If they can't get their act together in their own backyard, no country is going to feel much fear from them elsewhere in the world.
 
From everything I've seen, this whole operation was supposed to be over already. I do not think we're looking at 4D chess.
FWIW, the primary objectives are already accomplished. Hence the peace talks and the paused column.
 
You just proved what that map means. Logistics.
What, that the Russians have poor logistics? With a proper supply line, Russia would've already won, but instead, they're floundering pretty bad. I mean they've had a 40-mile long convoy driving towards Kyiv for two days now and it's only about a 200-mile hike down a well-maintained highway.
 
FWIW, the primary objectives are already accomplished. Hence the peace talks and the paused column.
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FWIW, the primary objectives are already accomplished.
Not even close, hence the peace talks (which are arguably more about buying time for both sides).
Hence the peace talks and the paused column.
You mean the column that appears to have actually stopped because it overreached its supply line and ran out of fuel?
 
What, that the Russians have poor logistics? With a proper supply line, Russia would've already won, but instead, they're floundering pretty bad. I mean they've had a 40-mile long convoy driving towards Kyiv for two days now and it's only about a 200-mile hike down a well-maintained highway.
There are reports popping up that that convoy has been cut off from Russia because the Ukrainians have taken control of the area behind it.
 
FWIW, the primary objectives are already accomplished. Hence the peace talks and the paused column.
Please define WHAT these primary objectives are. As others have stated, Ukraine is now LESS pro-Russia nor have they managed to have any full control over Ukrainian territory aside from border and port cities.
 
There are reports popping up that that convoy has been cut off from Russia because the Ukrainians have taken control of the area behind it.
Hasn't this been one of Ukraine's strategies all week? Basically, let the armor and troops through then obliterate the supply lines then just wait until the military hardware runs out of gas? I mean it's simple, but it seems like a military power as great as Russia claims to be they'd protect the supply line a bit better. Guess they didn't get the memo.
 
Hasn't this been one of Ukraine's strategies all week? Basically, let the armor and troops through then obliterate the supply lines then just wait until the military hardware runs out of gas? I mean it's simple, but it seems like a military power as great as Russia claims to be they'd protect the supply line a bit better. Guess they didn't get the memo.
I hope so, and I also hope that they give the Russians a chance to surrender and make sure they know that they're being tricked into a madman's plans.
 
FWIW, the primary objectives are already accomplished. Hence the peace talks and the paused column.
The peace talks are Russia taking what it can get because it hasn't been able to take what it wanted. Their primary objective was to oust the Ukrainian government and install their own pro-Russia officials and they've failed miserably at that. They were counting on a lack of morale among Ukrainians allowing them to plow right through with little conflict and they wildly underestimated that. Forcing talks has been a huge success by Ukraine and a failure of Russia.
 
Hasn't this been one of Ukraine's strategies all week? Basically, let the armor and troops through then obliterate the supply lines then just wait until the military hardware runs out of gas? I mean it's simple, but it seems like a military power as great as Russia claims to be they'd protect the supply line a bit better. Guess they didn't get the memo.
Yep, it's almost like the military in Ukraine knew what Russia's playbook was and Russia was then stupid enough to follow it to the letter.
 
China abstains and Russia veto's

Easiest call ever.
Might also include French information about call earlier today where Putin stated his goals have not changed and the "worst is yet to come".
 
A story about Putin from GW Bush. :P

"I introduced Vladimir Putin to Barney, our Scottish terrier, and [he] dissed him," Bush told the audience during a Q&A, Politico reports.
Bush continued: "A year later, Laura and I go visit Vladimir and his wife — this was before he decided to be with a gymnast 30 years younger — and he says, 'I want you to meet my dog.' I said, 'Yeah, sure.' And I'll never forget, out runs a huge Russian hound," Bush said. "And Putin says 'Bigger, stronger, and faster than Barney.' "

Continuing his story, Bush added that he relayed the anecdote to the Canadian prime minister, who responded: "At least he only showed you his dog."
 
Please define WHAT these primary objectives are. As others have stated, Ukraine is now LESS pro-Russia nor have they managed to have any full control over Ukrainian territory aside from border and port cities.
I'm sure my opinion is too hopeful and optimistic to be the current majority opinion.
But, for what it's worth, the most basic objectives of the military operation are threefold: to arrive at an agreement with the government of Ukraine to cease hostilities with Donbas, provide fresh water to Crimea (with implicit recognition of the fait accompli), and to keep NATO out of Ukraine. Those basics are achieved now on the ground. Once formally agreed at the table, Russia can retreat 100% all its forces from the sovereign nation of Ukraine, with the Donbas remaining a part of Ukraine.
 
China abstains and Russia veto's

Easiest call ever.
Its Russian SC)) 7 million to families of dead soliders, 3 millions to injured, besides nothing interesting.

In SPB you can buy 20 meters apartment for 3 millions and ~45-50 for 7 currently.
 
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