Russian Invasion of Ukraine

[Blitz24]

Putin claims conflict in Ukraine "is going according to plan" despite other countries' defense assessments

Russia has ramped up assaults on key Ukrainian cities, as President Zelensky pleads for more international assistance and a second round of talks between Ukraine and Russia are set to take place. Follow here for live news updates from on the ground in Ukraine.

www.cnn.com

Well that's good. I see that it could have been a lot worse had there have been a proper chain of comman.... wait a minute.

 

[Warte]

Russia is going to deal with way more than just not having the latest iPhone. Their money is completely useless at the moment and they're unable to really do much in the way of financial transactions outside of Russia. Companies are pulling out of Russia left and right, which will lead to unemployment and that's going to tank the economy even more than it already is. Plus you have major shipping carriers refusing to deliver to Russia which is going to lead to inflation within the country since the supply just won't be there. Yes, Russia can utilize a road and rail network from China, but the major population centers of Russia are a helluva long way away.

Speaking of the west though, why would crop prices skyrocket? Almost every western nation grows its own stuff and in the US, we even export a bunch of the stuff we grow. In certain areas, crop prices will go up, especially the Middle East where there isn't as much agricultural land available.

This is how you start a massive world war where nobody wins. Yes, from a moral perspective, Ukraine should be supported with military action against Russia. From a practical sense though, that's a horrible idea at the moment.

To be fair, food prices are expected to suffer from inflation, since Ukraine and Russia have important shares in some crops, and Russia being one of the main exporters of fertilizers. But some inflation is waaaaay different from the skyrocket armageddon the guy is trying to paint, amd definitely not on par from what Russia and Belarus will suffer for their isolation.

 

[McLaren]

ill health from what condition/disease?

It's heavily theorized that he may have Parkinson's Disease, iirc.

He's taken the port cities and has taken the entire Southern half of Ukraine.

Ah yes, go ahead and believe Hitler only wanted Czech. Fools. Applying Western style warfare using sanctions, on a country's citizens that were bred to suffer. This is far from over

Lol, it's been widely reported that multiple nations don't believe Putin just wants the Ukraine & that's it.

 

[Whitestar]

Regarding all the misinformation, this is probably a good place to check: https://ukrainefacts.org/

 

[Joey D]

Reuters put out a "fact sheet" giving some information on how a nuclear scenario might play out in Russia:

The chain of command for potential Russian nuclear strikes

Russian President Vladimir Putin said at the weekend that his nation's nuclear forces should be put on high alert, raising fears that Russia's invasion of Ukraine could lead to nuclear escalation.

www.reuters.com

If you want to look at the document it references, you can do so here:

Basic Principles of State Policy of the Russian Federation on Nuclear Deterrence

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archive.mid.ru

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

Regarding all the misinformation, this is probably a good place to check: https://ukrainefacts.org/

Oh, it seemed so real.

 

[Com Fox]

It's time for the Western Nations to put their money where their mouth is. Get troops into Ukraine before it's too late. They're making the same mistake they did in 1937.

The question becomes: can we deal with the aftermath if we try what you suggest?

Not only would a flat out World War be extremely destructive in comparison to previous World Wars which were already very destructive, but an assault on a Dictator gives them great Propaganda to use against us and then a massive Domino Effect. Why do you think we haven't just gone and stop Kim Jong Un?

 

[TexRex]

possible mental issues

 

[NLxAROSA]

You guys really exaggerating possibility of nuclear war. Its not like one person could start global war with most powerful weapon on Earth. Its not really red button which should be pushed to annihilate everything.

I hope so too. 👍

 

[Keef]

It's heavily theorized that he may have Parkinson's Disease, iirc.

Lol, it's been widely reported that multiple nations don't believe Putin just wants the Ukraine & that's it.

To be clear on sources, BBC is getting their info from ISW who has been created regular maps:

The Crimean front gives me an idea. The bridge to Crimea from mainland Russia that they've built in the past several year is easily within range of American Tomahawk cruise missiles fired from the Sea of Marmara, and even closer to Incirlik AFB in Turkey. That's a 550 mile straight shot, an easy trek to make for American bombers. Heck, we wouldn't even have to overfly the Black Sea to launch cruise missiles from B-1s or B-52s to attack the Russian bridges and ferries, cutting off reinforcements from coming that direction and leaving all their Crimean assets vulnerable. We have the power and logistics to turn the Russian battle away from Kyiv and force them to concentrate elsewhere. And the US has plenty of ammunition to make operating from Crimea a lot more difficult.

 

[Dennisch]

Seeing how crap the Russian army actually seems to be, 1 US aircraft carrier can probably take out the necessary conventional targets to stop Russia from advancing at all.

 

[Danoff]

Seeing how crap the Russian army actually seems to be, 1 US aircraft carrier can probably take out the necessary conventional targets to stop Russia from advancing at all.

Tomahawk? According to a quick search, Raytheon says they have an upgraded version as of last year. Your precision strikes are now more precision and more strike. Yea I think with a few long range hits the US could stop the Russian advance without even "entering" Ukrainian airspace. Not that this would be a good idea.

That being said, Russia seems to have stopped the Russian advance by using poor maintenance and tires.

 

[inCloud]

History lesson in Russian school. Straight out of RT. Rising putin-Jugend from our childrens.

 

[McLaren]

History lesson in Russian school. Straight out of RT. Rising putin-Jugend from our childrens.

There's a video going around today of a Russian TV channel called, "The Rain" with the entire staff resigning on a live stream. Is this a small, independent network or something more well known?

 

[Blitz24]

Seeing how crap the Russian army actually seems to be, 1 US aircraft carrier can probably take out the necessary conventional targets to stop Russia from advancing at all.

I know the Russians 5 years ago were having issues with their aircraft carriers catching on fire and/or sinking. Did they ever fix those?

 

[inCloud]

There's a video going around today of a Russian TV channel called, "The Rain" with the entire staff resigning on a live stream. Is this a small, independent network or something more well known?

It was only one russian independent news TV channel broadcasting in RF, was available as cable TV. Not big by any means, but very important. It was shutdown same day as Echo. Right now, internet is a last bastion of freedom for us.

Report about Facebook ban.

Listened video from school to the end. I feeling like I am in Nazi Germany in 1935.

 

[Keef]

Seeing how crap the Russian army actually seems to be, 1 US aircraft carrier can probably take out the necessary conventional targets to stop Russia from advancing at all.

Tomahawk? According to a quick search, Raytheon says they have an upgraded version as of last year. Your precision strikes are now more precision and more strike. Yea I think with a few long range hits the US could stop the Russian advance without even "entering" Ukrainian airspace. Not that this would be a good idea.

That being said, Russia seems to have stopped the Russian advance by using poor maintenance and tires.

Some light digging suggests that a carrier strike group will carry a variety of different missiles in their various tubes for both ground and air attack/defense but a typical peacetime loadout may include about 110 Tomahawks. But based on the total number of tubes available, the fact that the planes can also carry Tomahawks, and the fact that we've converted Ohio-class submarines which carry 154 Tomahawks each and could be attached to the CSG, a ground-attack focused CSG could be equipped with about 1,000 Tomahawks total.

Our "shock and awe" campaign fired about 500 Tomahawks on Iraq in the first two days. The 2022 price for a Tomahawk stands right at $2m so we fired about a billion dollars within two days and a single CSG can carry up to $2b worth of cruise missiles lmao.

 

[Blood Eagle]

Shock and awe was as much of a psychological event as it was a strategic event. Way before the days of F22 and F35 who could penetrate enemy air defenses or avoid them entirely.

 

[Joey D]

Take this with a grain of salt until something more official comes out from a legitimate news source. If it is true though, that's wild. But I can't imagine anti-war protestors would be very good at serving in the military.

 

[inCloud]

Lyudmila Narusova, wife of Anatoliy Sobchiac ( ex mayor of SPB and former boss of Putin) and mother of Ksenia Sobchiac (candidate for President in 2018). Currently member of the Federation Council of Russia. Video from Rain with her claiming that federal TV lying about war in Ukraine.

Take this with a grain of salt until something more official comes out from a legitimate news source. If it is true though, that's wild. But I can't imagine anti-war protestors would be very good at serving in the military.

True but would not pass.

 

[Milouse]

And apparently it repeats in several places in Ukraine.

 

[Brett]

It's winter in eastern Europe which means low overcast which means jets are forced to fly at low altitude. That leaves them extremely vulnerable to manpads. Sure the Su-34 is supposed to be a tactical bomber but it's not a damn close air support plane like the Su-25 or A-10. Or hell, maybe it is, and we're finding out that Russia designed a plane for a job that it can't do against an equipped enemy.

Unless they have concentrated SEAD effort, even close air support planes like the A-10 or Su-25 are going to have a bad time against Manpads. With what we have seen so far, it does not appear that the RuAF would be able to effectively coordinate that SEAD effort.

 

[Sphinx]

Zaporizhzhia NPP, the largest nuclear power plant in Europe is taking a hammering by russian forces. Building on fire after shelling and gunfire. Live stream on Youtube. Still ongoing.

 

[Liquid]

the largest nuclear power plant in Europe is taking a hammering by russian forces.

 

[Peppelino]

Zaporizhzhia NPP, the largest nuclear power plant in Europe is taking a hammering by russian forces. Building on fire after shelling and gunfire. Live stream on Youtube. Still ongoing.

Thnk you. BBC
Are we happy now?

 

[McLaren]

Saw a report from Anderson Cooper the Russians are supposed to be cease firing & allow firefighters in from another point to assess it.

Edit* Trying to re-find the Twitter thread, but there's been quick explanations coming out that the plant is different from Chernobyl & much safer. Also advising people need to understand there are various buildings to a plant & it's important to know what exactly has been damaged.



NEXTA tweeting the spokesman of the press of the plant Andrey Tuz, says there is no threat of radiation spread. People sharing the overhead of the area say it looks like the a building away from the reactors was hit.

Firefighters are on scene reportedly, and starting to put out the flames.

 

[Peppelino]

Saw a report from Anderson Cooper the Russians are supposed to be cease firing & allow firefighters in from another point to assess it.

Edit* Trying to re-find the Twitter thread, but there's been quick explanations coming out that the plant is different from Chernobyl & much safer. Also advising people need to understand there are various buildings to a plant & it's important to know what exactly has been damaged.

Thank you, for looking for that Link..

Until you find it... BBC reports that firefighters can not enter the site, because of intense shelling...

Now, where is my Geiger-meter..

[ Thanks McLaren. Let's see the news
In the next coming days. Sure hope the spokesperson is right. ]

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Saw a report from Anderson Cooper the Russians are supposed to be cease firing & allow firefighters in from another point to assess it.

Edit* Trying to re-find the Twitter thread, but there's been quick explanations coming out that the plant is different from Chernobyl & much safer. Also advising people need to understand there are various buildings to a plant & it's important to know what exactly has been damaged.



NEXTA tweeting the spokesman of the press of the plant Andrey Tuz, says there is no threat of radiation spread. People sharing the overhead of the area say it looks like the a building away from the reactors was hit.

Firefighters are on scene reportedly, and starting to put out the flames.

Based on the type of reactor architecture of this plant, I sincerely doubt any kind of Chernobyl-style criticality event could happen. That's not to say we want to start blowing up reactors because there is still radiation dangers, but it seems very unlikely external damage could cause a melt down. Chernobyl was irresponsibly badly designed and you could almost claim it was fail-deadly, instead of fail-safe.

 

[dacc10]

Some light digging suggests that a carrier strike group will carry a variety of different missiles in their various tubes for both ground and air attack/defense but a typical peacetime loadout may include about 110 Tomahawks. But based on the total number of tubes available, the fact that the planes can also carry Tomahawks, and the fact that we've converted Ohio-class submarines which carry 154 Tomahawks each and could be attached to the CSG, a ground-attack focused CSG could be equipped with about 1,000 Tomahawks total.

Our "shock and awe" campaign fired about 500 Tomahawks on Iraq in the first two days. The 2022 price for a Tomahawk stands right at $2m so we fired about a billion dollars within two days and a single CSG can carry up to $2b worth of cruise missiles lmao.

The Tomahawk can't be launched from planes, the air launched version was canceled I think. For air launched cruise missiles, the US uses either the AGM-86 ALCM or the AGM-158 JASSM. A CSG won't have all the VLS cells filled with Tomahawk cruise missiles, as that would lead to the ships being completely defenceless against air threats. Also given the geographical position of Ukraine, and the Black Sea being too risky for a US CSG to get in, the best way to launch a massive cruise missile attack against the russian forces in Ukraine, would be by air. A single B-52 can carry 20 ALCMs, the B-1 can carry 24 JASSM and the B-2 16 of those. The main challenge would be knowing where the targets are, specially since those missiles were made to hit fixed, strategic targets, not columns of vehicles.

The more likely strategy would probably be a mix between SEAD, and cruise missile attacks, to destroy as many radars and air defence systems as possible. Once air supremacy is achieved, the rest gets easier, as they now could just smash vehicle columns at will.

 

[Mark folsom]

It's heavily theorized that he may have Parkinson's Disease, iirc.

Lol, it's been widely reported that multiple nations don't believe Putin just wants the Ukraine & that's it.

Omg dude, it's been 7 days.

It's surreal listening to 99% of you downplaying Russia's offensive. It's amazing how much social media camouflages the truth, because hey, look, hashtag this and hashtag that.. I mean, this guy I'm quoting, literally downplays the massive amount
of land Russia has garnered in a measly 7 days.

It's this mentality that is not helping Ukraine. They are pleading for help while the world says, Ahhh.. no biggie.. Russia's dollar is in the sink and they don't get iphones. Plus, we dumped Russia vodka, so you're good dude...

It's appalling and sad at the same time.