Russian Invasion of Ukraine
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While I somewhat share your concern, I find this unlikely. That would mean going directly up against NATO, a strongly unified NATO no less, which he himself has made sure of.
Related to this, @SassyWhiteDad, do you have any thoughts on how far Putin could go without the people surrounding him – military leaders etc. – turning against him? Just ignore if you feel this will be too speculative.
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Oh boy, strawman & moving goal posts.
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More interesting stuff for the Russian speakers.
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All these businesses doing their virtue signaling for Ukraine. It's BS.
The worst thing you can do is underestimate your enemy. Putin will treat his people the same way he treats the Ukrainians. Do you think he really cares if his country goes into massive depression? The Soviet Union never left, only disguised. Putin will rule with an iron fist if needs be.
Everyone's running around acting like this virtue signaling is going to somehow get Putin to rethink his invasion. Soyboy's like Macron, Biden, and Trudeau.. all the ilk, big talk, no real action. Putin isnt a pushover. He's methodical and cunning. And I think it's very obvious that current world leaders are way in over their head with Putin.
The only thing that's going to stop him is boots on the ground. Zelensky is asking for boots on the ground. It's very obvious that the Western nations do not want to really help Ukraine.
Maybe we can get Playstation to pull Russia teams from a game?
Meanwhile, Putin is taking control of key areas.
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It all helps. The West is waging hardcore economic war on Russia and arming Ukraine to fight back, which they are doing very effectively as a result of the weapons given to them, if you haven't noticed.
Asking for NATO to intervene directly is asking for nuclear war. Anyone who ASSUMES Putin must be bluffing is a dangerous fool.
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Its looks like agony of regime to me.
Basically what I post yesterday from novayagazeta YouTubeMore interesting stuff for the Russian speakers.
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@Mark folsom If you want boots on the ground, get on a plane, fly to the Romanian border and go across and help.
Geopolitics is such an awkward and awful thing that cannot be underestimated. Turning a conflict like this into WW3 is something nobody wants in the Western World, hence why these sanctions are all that is being done so far. Russia is now a pariah in every organisation and sport around the world, and their economy is crumbling. Russia is getting isolated, and while there is no obligation for NATO and other nations to get involved, they won't.
Russia is attacking Ukraine, so why would more boots on the ground on the other side make things better? Let's turn cities into warzones with casualties on both sides. If you hadn't noticed, places like Iraq and Afghanistan weren't war zones for a few weeks, bit over a decade. Nobody wants to turn Ukraine into a similar mess, as the whole point about history is you need to learn from it.
Ukraine and the Ukrainian people are being hung out to dry at the moment, yes, but it's about as far as Russia can realistically go, which is why that's what we're seeing. The rest of the world is holding fire not out of cowardice, but out of hope that sanctions can work. Realistically, the easiest solution to this is an internal rebellion in Russia that deposes Putin. Sanctions that ruin the economy have a 50/50 chance of pissing the regular people off enough to overthrow their leader in retaliation for them causing that, or getting the leader to bring the people in with propaganda making the enemies causing the sanctions be...the enemies who are restricting the nation.
Putin is unhinged, and any action that risks Nuclear annihilation cannot be done without plenty of time to consider your actions. Deploying troops into Ukraine sounds like a great action to defend the nation, but it probably isn't the best thing to do in the long run.
Geopolitics is such an awkward and awful thing that cannot be underestimated. Turning a conflict like this into WW3 is something nobody wants in the Western World, hence why these sanctions are all that is being done so far. Russia is now a pariah in every organisation and sport around the world, and their economy is crumbling. Russia is getting isolated, and while there is no obligation for NATO and other nations to get involved, they won't.
Russia is attacking Ukraine, so why would more boots on the ground on the other side make things better? Let's turn cities into warzones with casualties on both sides. If you hadn't noticed, places like Iraq and Afghanistan weren't war zones for a few weeks, bit over a decade. Nobody wants to turn Ukraine into a similar mess, as the whole point about history is you need to learn from it.
Ukraine and the Ukrainian people are being hung out to dry at the moment, yes, but it's about as far as Russia can realistically go, which is why that's what we're seeing. The rest of the world is holding fire not out of cowardice, but out of hope that sanctions can work. Realistically, the easiest solution to this is an internal rebellion in Russia that deposes Putin. Sanctions that ruin the economy have a 50/50 chance of pissing the regular people off enough to overthrow their leader in retaliation for them causing that, or getting the leader to bring the people in with propaganda making the enemies causing the sanctions be...the enemies who are restricting the nation.
Putin is unhinged, and any action that risks Nuclear annihilation cannot be done without plenty of time to consider your actions. Deploying troops into Ukraine sounds like a great action to defend the nation, but it probably isn't the best thing to do in the long run.
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I beg to differ. Putin is NOT unhinged. Nothing suggests he has become unhinged or turned into a nut. He cunning and clever, And he knows that the world leaders are just a bunch of soy boys.
I can guarantee you NATO boots on the ground will put a stop to Putin's aggression.
Zelensky is pleading for boots because he knows how this is going to end.
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Which is why he's gone after Ukraine because it's not part of NATO. And if NATO joins Ukraine, there will be World War III because Putin can easily fire nuclear weapons. Even if he doesn't fire it at a NATO country and just uses a tactical nuke on Ukraine.
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Not really, no. NATO has even less business being in Ukraine than Russia does.
Any NATO incursion into Ukraine will result in global nuclear war, as it's literally the exact excuse Putin needs to launch: a nuclear aggressor attacking Russian troops and hardware inside what he regards as Russian territory.
Again you're galloping towards weapons-grade stupidity. Although not Russian weapons-grade, obviously.
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Putin calls on countries to normalize relations with Moscow, and suggests Russia might benefit from sanctions
Russia has ramped up assaults on key Ukrainian cities, as President Zelensky pleads for more international assistance and a second round of talks between Ukraine and Russia are set to take place. Follow here for live news updates from on the ground in Ukraine.
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Because you're obviously not interested in discussion anyway (since you fobbed the part off when someone responded to your claims of how Russia had taken "entire Southern half of Ukraine."), so I figured I'd just note that repeating something idiotic verbatim doesn't make it a tautology.
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Yeah not gonna happen.
Most Russians still have the Soviet Union instilled in their genes, whether they experienced it personally or not. Their parents saw it, it's a way of life, and Russians respect strength.
They're also a hearty people. They know what hardship is. Unlike their western counterparts who cry foul when they can't get their Chicken McNuggets.
Meanwhile, Putin is in for the long haul.
How's $200 a barrel of oil sound? Wheat and grains at skyrocket prices, etc.. the western world has zero clue what's going to happen in the coming year. Putin does.
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Good to know Putin is a prophet then. Strange how your account remains dormant for almost 3 years and then you pop on here stating the US and NATO NEED to help Ukraine by essentially giving Putin an excuse to start World War III. That's not an if. Putin will have nothing to lose once he's backed into that corner and then we can only pray that ALL of the nuclear arsenal is unable to fire.
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I guess I should explain. Since I was interested in GT7, I came here to read and post a few times for it's release. In doing so I happen to see the most recent posts at the top and decided to jump in. Not sure why that matter though.
Nobody said Putin was a prophet. But controlling resources that will adversely affect western economies doesn't take a rocket scientist.
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South and North Korea both has one starting point - Japan colony with 17 century economy. Russians since 60s live better live than NKs ever did. In 90s we have free press and mostly working political process. In later 2000 we have income comparable with half of Europe.
Yes, we ****ed all, almost like Churchill said:
You were given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor and you will have war.
Narusuva about dead conscripts. 96 out of 100 are dead.
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CNBC is reporting European spot futures of natural gas at 1000% above one year ago, the equivalent of spot oil at $750 a barrel.
Also,
"FAZ informs us that the Swift sanctions are essentially dead in the water. Only seven banks, representing a quarter of the Russian banking sector, are subject to the sanctions. What happened is that once this sanctions list went through the mill of talks with member states, only this pared-down lists survives. The EU originally promised to hit 70% of the Russian banking system. One reason for the exclusion of Sberbank is the deposits held by savers in the bank’s EU subsidiaries. It would have triggered massive deposit insurance claims.
The reduced ambitions embed an important piece of hard information. It is telling us that EU member states will not be ready to impose transactional sanctions on Russia in areas deemed vital to the EU economy, especially the import of Russian gas, oil and coal. What this will also tell us is that we have no means to crush the Russian economy, as Bruno Le Maire suggested."
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Also,
"FAZ informs us that the Swift sanctions are essentially dead in the water. Only seven banks, representing a quarter of the Russian banking sector, are subject to the sanctions. What happened is that once this sanctions list went through the mill of talks with member states, only this pared-down lists survives. The EU originally promised to hit 70% of the Russian banking system. One reason for the exclusion of Sberbank is the deposits held by savers in the bank’s EU subsidiaries. It would have triggered massive deposit insurance claims.
The reduced ambitions embed an important piece of hard information. It is telling us that EU member states will not be ready to impose transactional sanctions on Russia in areas deemed vital to the EU economy, especially the import of Russian gas, oil and coal. What this will also tell us is that we have no means to crush the Russian economy, as Bruno Le Maire suggested."
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Pretty funny at a time when most Western economies are at least ankle-deep - if not knee - transitioning away from fossil fuels and towards renewables.
The time to try to hold the world hostage for gas and oil supplies (which Ukraine also happens to have in abundance) was ten years ago. Right now it's stupid. In ten years it'll be an irrelevance.
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CNBC is reporting European spot futures of natural gas at 1000% above one year ago, the equivalent of spot oil at $750 a barrel.
Also,
"FAZ informs us that the Swift sanctions are essentially dead in the water. Only seven banks, representing a quarter of the Russian banking sector, are subject to the sanctions. What happened is that once this sanctions list went through the mill of talks with member states, only this pared-down lists survives. The EU originally promised to hit 70% of the Russian banking system. One reason for the exclusion of Sberbank is the deposits held by savers in the bank’s EU subsidiaries. It would have triggered massive deposit insurance claims.
The reduced ambitions embed an important piece of hard information. It is telling us that EU member states will not be ready to impose transactional sanctions on Russia in areas deemed vital to the EU economy, especially the import of Russian gas, oil and coal. What this will also tell us is that we have no means to crush the Russian economy, as Bruno Le Maire suggested."
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Catastrophic.
Putin is cunning and clever.
But hey, vodka, iPhones, no more Russian teams in FIFA, and lots and lots of virtue signaling.
Its all good my dude.
I seriously think it really comes down to the fact that most people especially younger folks don't have the capacity or the emotional fortitude to face a dismal future like the one Putin is forcing. They've been raised on Twitter, hashtags, and ticktok videos.
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